Wow, so many things wrongs all at once.
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You'll go crazy from corpse interruption.
If you can't beat Olias to corpses, you don't qualify as an MM in my book. When I actually try, I beat him 95% of the time. But that means the human MM has to manage corpses for both MMs.
In other words, get yours but leave enough for Olias. Don't hog them all, and don't allow him to hog them.
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And there are rarely enough corpses around to support two minion masters.
There are ample corpses in NF for two MMs, except in areas with Djinn/elementals, including RoT.
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BotM will cause huge saccing on you and olias putting undue strain on your monks.
Well this is true. Olias and I are taking single hit sacs of ~45% PLUS I am throwing OoU on top of it.
However..... pretty much no one else is taking ANY damage with 20 minions around. And battles don't last long with 20 minions plus heroes.
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Olias also doesn't care about timing of his sac and will wipe himself without a second thought.
He cares. Olias has never, ever sac'd himself to death while I've been watching. Not in a double-MM squad or in a single-MM squad. He even seems to understand that BOTM hurts him worse when I have minions also, and he uses it properly.
NOTE: I *have* sac'd myself to death in a double-mm build, but ONLY because I wasn't paying attention, or due to an unfortunate series of interrupts and degen. Both were my fault for pushing too hard.
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Originally Posted by azathothx
Either you be the mm and he be a blood/curses or the other way round. Two mm's is just cause for consternation unless in places like vizunah or the eternal grove.
I'm stubborn. My job is to bring damage. Minions are not graceful or elegant on a battlefield, it's about raw maintainable DPS. If you can maintain your minions for long enough, they will kill anything.
I tested my dual MM + 2R/P build for several days in Vabbi/Kourna with no issues and figured lets go for it...
Battle of Turai's Procession.
I gathered 20 minions ahead of time, but beside that, I employed NO TRICKS of any kind. No real players except me. 3 heroes, 4 hench. Brute force vs Brute force. Direct head-on combat, on an open plain.
Wow. That's an intense fight.
The first wave crumpled before they reached melee range. OoU FTW. The next wave got to melee and didnt last long but hurt the minions bad. The third wave nearly broke us, but my hench/heroes rallied (for lack of a better word) and we finished then right as the last wave arrived.
Zero deaths on my side. Olias even had 4 Jaggeds left, I had 2 Fiends.
Dual-MMing is very viable. It is really overkill, and you have to deal with toting 20 minions around the map, and all the issues that brings. But them's the big guns, if necessary. | |
I'd probably drop Signet of Rejuvenation for another heal too... I've never found it to be that strong with AI... they don't time it to nail the conditional bonus.
