The problem with the next campaign

OK, this post makes the following assumptions that (I hope) most people on here agree with:

1. Factions sucked, or at least it wasn't up to the standard of Prophecies
2. Nightfall was a significant improvement, perhaps even as good as Prophecies

The problem we now have is that the next campaign will suck. Why? Because of the two teams Anet use. As we know, by the time one campaign comes out the next one is already in development, and to do this Anet have two teams which (although they obviously share stuff) basically work independently of one another. That means that NF was done by the Prophecies team (therefore it was good) and the next campaign will be done by the Factions team (therefore, unless they've learned lessons, it will suck).

We all know.

Every time someone comes onto these forums, people will say "Only buy the odd chapters, the even ones suck, except if you're going to pvp hardcore".

The real problem with factions is that it was kind of a new direction, some of the features have stayed and some got the boot. Nightfall took the more popular parts from factions and from prophecies. I think the deciding factor in the next chapter is its direction, how radical will the change be and will it pay off?

The only problem here is all the assumptions being made about a Chapter we know ZIP about. We dont know what setting it's going to be in, when it's coming out or even what name it's going to be under. So what's the point in worrying when NOTHING is known?

The good thing about Anet is that they seem to learn from their mistakes. Factions let them try some new tactics, some of which did not pay off. As you can see, those that did not pay off did not make their way into Nightfall. There will probably be some new stuff in C4 as well, but who can possibly guess whether we will like it or not? Just wait and see.

But that's just my two cents

The reason people are worrying (even without info on the new campaign) is that every chapter the Prophecies team has done has been good, while every chapter the Factions team has done has sucked, therefore the Factions team have a higher chance of producing a poor chapter than the Prophecies team.

you cant say that, theres always a bad chapter in a book but you know that these guys dont sit there for a week and think this stuff out, its already planned. So the first chapter is always good but not the best the second chapter always gets you alittle boared and third chapter maybe it got a little exciting but you cant really blame it on one group because everyone there had to have an agreement on how to do this chapter 4 will be good and i think chapter 6 will be the best (if there will be one).

Yep. Factions gave us some good stuff which has carried over, and I have to believe whatever good things NF has given us will also carry over.

And btw, I like factions over both Proph/NF. I don't think one is significantly better/worse than other, just that they tailor to different groups. I pvp mostly, so getting through a storyline fast is good to me.

Keep on keepin on.

I found that the problem with factions is that the new classes were stupid and placed in an environment asking somehting that they couldnt offer! An assassin in an area FULL of EXPLODING monsters guarantuees noobs will die so many times. The assassin is a great class in many Tyrian and Elonian areas and I have seen that first hand. They sucked in Cantha because Cantha had overwhelming numbers that exploded on death. No sense at all.
It also added the Ritualist, which was a terrbile idea. 3 second casts was standard, even low, and 5 second casts was also normal. Then when people abused its easy protection to the whole team they nerfed it out of existance. Suddenly, instead of nerfing Ritual Lord, the necessary skill behind Spirit Spamming, they nerfed the Spirits themselves so that they couldn't be used often at all. Two new classes that sucked in the world they were created for. That was why factions sucked.

This sounds like the same kind of argument about Star Trek movies. Even movies were good, odd movies sucked.

But so what? I like all the Guild Wars campaigns and I like all the Star Trek movies (except 5 XD), and I have high hopes that Campaign Four will be just as good as the previous three.

Seriously, the Factions team has only produced ONE chapter, that isn't enough to say that the games it makes suck. Make your judgments after the team's second game. But what is your point? That the game will stink? So are you not going to play it or something? Good for you.

My god, some people will complain about anything...

Somebody close this thread.

yea I'm willing to give the 2nd team another chance. I think they just got surprised by the reaction of the players to their rendition of the game. I have to see a second offering from them before labeling them like the Star Trek movie Cycle.

Will you buy 4th chapter if people start to say it sucks? I think I will buy it anything people say, I don't care, I love GW and I love expansions of the games I love, so ... I will buy 4th chapter obviously.

I don't think Factions sucks, the problem is (and this will offend someone) assassins are NOT for noobs, is now when I am seeing good assassins out there, in the beginning of Factions 99% of assassins sucked, and "everybody" was assassin like "everybody" is dervish now, fortunately dervishes ARE very good for noobs, you can go out there with 3 skills and be successful, and you don't need make "combos" for kill. Anyway, a LOT of people deleted assassins and ritualists of their accounts, now, people is starting to delete dervishes and paragons; Only the people that really loves and learn how to play this 4 classes will NOT delete (or refuse to play) it, that's will be the pros of the future of that 4 classes; Pros like some assassins right now that just amaze me.

I enjoyed Factions immensely, it's my favorite of the three.

IMO you take the game for what it is, if you don't like the game then don't play it but it's a bit much when you're saying that the Faction team "sucked." Most people think it "sucked" because they either don't like to or can't learn new professions and whine and complain about things like "exploding monsters" that are quite easy to handle if you play well.

I think the reaction against Factions was because people expected the same as Prophecies but instead Anet tried a few new tricks and a lot of players didn't expect change. They'd grown so used to being able to kill everything in sight and knowing every little trick and quirk in Prophecies because they'd played it for a year or more. I know many players who simply lost their "edge" - after the first exploding monster, don't you think you'd take better precautions? When Nightfall came out, they knew to expect something that might be a bit different than either of the previous, so the shock wasn't near as bad.

Enjoy the next chapter as a game in its own right and you'll enjoy it that much more!

Awwww now thats just cruel. Im sure the poor men and women who made Faction so rubbish had their heads stuck in a stock and tomatoes thrown at them in the office.

That will probably incourage them to do a better job next time.

I expect Factions was so bad, because they didnt do enough market research on what the users/players wanted and made assumptions.

Which is the usual down fall of most software.

I expect the next one will take all the good stuff from all 3 games and hopefully atleast be decent. But what you have to appreciate is that some people liked factions.

It is a good game if all you want to do is rush in, get everything and do some mindless fighting. Which probably meets the needs of some players.

If you an intelligent storyline then you have the other two. In a way all 3 games meets the needs of select players.

Yep, gotta love people who make judgements based on zero information. Just like people that think that because Jersey Girl was a meh movie, Kevin Smith sucks as a director. (personally I blame Ben Afflick )

By the way, a common misconception: Nightfall team is NOT the team that worked on Proph. The team that worked on Proph was formed by both the NF team and the Factions team. After Proph, NF team started to work on SF, and FA team started to work on Factions.

IIRC.

hah, imo factions was better then prophecies

k, you get 1 point from me. imo nightfall>>factions>prophecies but thats taste

right.

haha, funny, first of all you start with a totally wrong idea.

1) prophecies was made by ALL teams together
2) sry to say, but imo your a waste of time, atleast I had a laugh today, ty for that

We've only had 3 chapters to base our opinions off of, which isn't enough to make a solid judgment. Why don't we actually wait until the next campaign is released before we start making our proclamations.

If you think the next chapter is going to suck so badly, then just don't buy it and keep the whining to yourself.