Replay value of NF...

Not sure what everyone else thinks but... having to get rank 7 sunspear EVERYTIME you want to play through Elona? Isn't that a bit of a drag.. like seriously Q _ Q

No. Barely even noticed ranks as I gained them, was at 6 before I knew it, and quests with bonuses for mobs on the way took me to 7 every time. :/

Nothing much, there's plenty of quests to get rank 7, even if you came from Cantha or Tyria. Currenly though I like to farm the insects in Arkjok Ward.

But doing all the secondary quests is just.... long >.>

Do them with a few friends, tell some jokes, play some music. Doesn't take that long, like six hours to hit r7 with me and my special someone. Barely noticed the time flying by.

I thought it sucked too til I found that mob of insects right outside Haven.

it's horrendously easy if you just kill a few extra mobs here and there while doing quests... or if you're like me, clear an entire zone while mapping =p

go bug squishing outside of Yohlon, 100 points per run, all of which takes 3 mins. For added fun go with friends or guildies.

You guys are all trying to justify forced grind, rather than facing the fact that it was simply poor game design.

Where else in GW have you actually been forced to grind a title just to progress in the game? Until now, grinding was limited to people who wanted cash, now it's a required part of the game.

I only took one character through NF. Between Sunspear Points and Lightbringer Points, I can't justify doing it more than once.

NightFall is so.. horrible.


I hate it. ._.x

guys, this was made so theres no chance you advance in the game being lower level then you should be, and get a chance to learn how to use the profession that you are using, since chances are iits a profession that you dont know yet, or you might be completely new to gw, etc.

this was done so you level up your heroes and learn how to use them before you go into more complicated areas

its not bad game design, its a forced way to level up yourself and heroes. also a way to make noobs less noobish when they are forced to learn some basics

Didn't find it a problem with Nightfall-native characters, but going from zero to General for And a Hero Will Lead Them is a huge pain for outside characters. It's basically impossible to make General just from quests... So yeah, I've resorted to that insect patch myself for a couple of hours.

...This doubles up with having to level up soon-to-be-mandatory heroes. I had to drag Koss up from L2 before the cemetery mission.

Because it doesn't have armor right? Not that gameplay really matters.

Anyways back on point, Nightfall is a big improvement to Factions in my opinion. People complain at the first sight of a little "grind". (I won't even call it that compared to FFXI, WoW and EQ2) So far quests are "grind", Factions are "grind", PvP is "grind" and missions are "grind." So tell me what isn't grind?

Whining is grind, too.

Maybe people want endgame greens as soon as they make a new char, as well as instant 15k/FoW. Wait, then they'd complain about the tedious process of making a new char, and coming up with a name. It's so hard and takes sooo long, and oh my god, what if a name is taken!? Nerf the guy who took my name plx. <_<

But seriously, I like NF, much more than that flaming pile named Factions. Been through it twice, currently on a third time. Haven't felt the slightest grind yet. Maybe people should try an MMORPG instead of this CORPG to see what grind is.

OMG. GW players these days think everything is a grind. Thank a-net that you don't have spend 2000 hours to get to max level.

Personally, I love Nightfall. I brang my ranger over from Tyria. I done quests and missions etc etc. and by the time i was up to "And A Hero Shall Lead Them" i was already rank 6 sunspear. I then "grinded" for about 1 hour just killing insects outside Yohlon and at the same time lvling my heroes.

Put up with it. If finshing the game only took a few hours to it would be a pretty lame game.

There's no such thing as grind in Guild Wars. If you wanna know what grind really is, go download SilkroadOnline and play that for a while. It doesn't represent ever factor of every other MMO, but ever MMO I've played has had the same ammount of endless grind. So to repeat, there's no such thing as grind in Guild Wars.

The quests reward you with sunspear points, and the wandering priests give you bounties as you do the quests. If you're smart about your playing and group the quests together and do all the ones that are in the same zone at once, and play smart about picking up bounties before you kill certain types of monsters, it doesn't take very long at all.

personally i think once or twice it enough, i finished nf, chose from one of the shotty greens and said to my self, "now what?"

Go take your dervish/paragon and go to UW/FoW and play the old content... in a new light.

Likewise you can also play your factions characters with new NF-only skills in old maps like Fort Aspenwood.

Sounds like a lot of replay value to me. New content that makes old content feel more refreshing.

I'm not really trying to justify anything. Yes, the forced grind sucks, but the point is that it really isn't that much.

Hey, don't look at me. I still prefer Factions over the other two. Nightfall just lacks...soul.