Where are BiP necro's utilized
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BiP Necros are used a lot in Urgoz Warren, also some Orders Necros swap it out with Order of Vampire as it's essentially a "turbo" version of Blood Ritual and Monks will want to have your babies when they see an Instant +6 Energy Regen 
, it's also good for keeping MM happy where they might use Vamp Horrors and Bone Fiends @ 25e a pop.
My Order friend uses it in Tombs and FoW with Barrage groups running at around 105/180hp
, it's also good for keeping MM happy where they might use Vamp Horrors and Bone Fiends @ 25e a pop.My Order friend uses it in Tombs and FoW with Barrage groups running at around 105/180hp
Any group demanding a BiP for energy management has issues. If you can't manage your energy properly then you lack some skills. I go on FoW runs all the time and I bring BR. Sometimes no one asks for it, and we have no problems plowing our way through. However, there are times when there is a monk or ele that demand constant BR and when this happens it usually turns out that the group will fail.
IF BR isn't good enough, then likely the group isn't good enough.
IF BR isn't good enough, then likely the group isn't good enough.
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Any group demanding a BiP for energy management has issues. If you can't manage your energy properly then you lack some skills. I go on FoW runs all the time and I bring BR. Sometimes no one asks for it, and we have no problems plowing our way through. However, there are times when there is a monk or ele that demand constant BR and when this happens it usually turns out that the group will fail.
IF BR isn't good enough, then likely the group isn't good enough. He's not asking about BR but where you would use BiP so I'll explain the basics as to why people would prefer that over BR then everyone can see why some people might prefer it in certain situations and think "ooh that sounds a more appropriate skill to be using here"
In Urgoz, especially at the start where it tends to go a bit bonkers for everyone especially the Monks, BR @ +3 regen at 10e cost and 2 sec cast with 2 sec recharge compared to BiP @ +6 regen 5e cost 1/4 sec cast and no recharge time isn't going to cut it which is why they ask for a BiP, and it's got nothing to do with whether the groups good enough, it's simply a better skill for that particular Mission where the Monks going to be kept pretty busy, I agree the sac cost is higher but then then the Monk and Necro should be able to look after that enough to be able to spam it about a bit.
I've done Urgoz as MM with a Necro using BR and a BiP and the BiP gets my vote even though I dont ask for it or need it.
IF BR isn't good enough, then likely the group isn't good enough. He's not asking about BR but where you would use BiP so I'll explain the basics as to why people would prefer that over BR then everyone can see why some people might prefer it in certain situations and think "ooh that sounds a more appropriate skill to be using here"
In Urgoz, especially at the start where it tends to go a bit bonkers for everyone especially the Monks, BR @ +3 regen at 10e cost and 2 sec cast with 2 sec recharge compared to BiP @ +6 regen 5e cost 1/4 sec cast and no recharge time isn't going to cut it which is why they ask for a BiP, and it's got nothing to do with whether the groups good enough, it's simply a better skill for that particular Mission where the Monks going to be kept pretty busy, I agree the sac cost is higher but then then the Monk and Necro should be able to look after that enough to be able to spam it about a bit.
I've done Urgoz as MM with a Necro using BR and a BiP and the BiP gets my vote even though I dont ask for it or need it.
Unfortunately, I believe that BiP is crack for monks. A natural part of being a monk is energy management. BiP replaces the need to do that, allowing a monk to spam to their heart's content.
PvE areas that need severe amounts of healing (i.e. Urgoz's Warren, the Deep (for Heal Party at the end), etc.) always could use a BiP, but as stated earlier, it isn't absolutely necessary.
Personally, I'd rather have a constant Order of Pain/Order of Vampire up with a constant Blood Ritual then gimping your party's damage output by going BiP.
PvE areas that need severe amounts of healing (i.e. Urgoz's Warren, the Deep (for Heal Party at the end), etc.) always could use a BiP, but as stated earlier, it isn't absolutely necessary.
Personally, I'd rather have a constant Order of Pain/Order of Vampire up with a constant Blood Ritual then gimping your party's damage output by going BiP.
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Well the other thing you find with BR is you have to be "Adjacent" to the target, BiP is "Spellcasting" Range which means the Battery can keep back, doesnt have to chase people so much and keep out of trouble in most cases especially if running a low hp build.
All depends what your most comfortable with, I'm happy for my Orders friend to choose whatever he feels would be best suited for whatever we're doing be it Urgoz, The Deep, FoW, Tombs, whatever.
All depends what your most comfortable with, I'm happy for my Orders friend to choose whatever he feels would be best suited for whatever we're doing be it Urgoz, The Deep, FoW, Tombs, whatever.
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Unfortunately, I believe that BiP is crack for monks. A natural part of being a monk is energy management. BiP replaces the need to do that, allowing a monk to spam to their heart's content.
PvE areas that need severe amounts of healing (i.e. Urgoz's Warren, the Deep (for Heal Party at the end), etc.) always could use a BiP, but as stated earlier, it isn't absolutely necessary.
Personally, I'd rather have a constant Order of Pain/Order of Vampire up with a constant Blood Ritual then gimping your party's damage output by going BiP. BiP is basically a must have for a Deep party. Tho for most missions BiPs are usually not necessary, however a BiP doesn't necessary hinders your damage output, depending on rather you plan or not.
An ele with unlimited energy can do alot more damage then one that needs to watch his/her energy. An necro cannot match an ele's nuking power given that the ele has unlimited.
PvE areas that need severe amounts of healing (i.e. Urgoz's Warren, the Deep (for Heal Party at the end), etc.) always could use a BiP, but as stated earlier, it isn't absolutely necessary.
Personally, I'd rather have a constant Order of Pain/Order of Vampire up with a constant Blood Ritual then gimping your party's damage output by going BiP. BiP is basically a must have for a Deep party. Tho for most missions BiPs are usually not necessary, however a BiP doesn't necessary hinders your damage output, depending on rather you plan or not.
An ele with unlimited energy can do alot more damage then one that needs to watch his/her energy. An necro cannot match an ele's nuking power given that the ele has unlimited.
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BiP is basically a must have for a Deep party. Tho for most missions BiPs are usually not necessary, however a BiP doesn't necessary hinders your damage output, depending on rather you plan or not.
An ele with unlimited energy can do alot more damage then one that needs to watch his/her energy. An necro cannot match an ele's nuking power given that the ele has unlimited. Just an ele suffers from exhaustion 90% of the time so yeah damage output from a nuke is cool but wait about 5 minutes for the next one.
Might explain why MM & Order/BiP Necros get on teams in Tombs compared to Ele's who last about 2 minutes as they cant do anything as they're knackered out
Been there, seen it and it wasnt pretty.....
An ele with unlimited energy can do alot more damage then one that needs to watch his/her energy. An necro cannot match an ele's nuking power given that the ele has unlimited. Just an ele suffers from exhaustion 90% of the time so yeah damage output from a nuke is cool but wait about 5 minutes for the next one.
Might explain why MM & Order/BiP Necros get on teams in Tombs compared to Ele's who last about 2 minutes as they cant do anything as they're knackered out
Been there, seen it and it wasnt pretty.....
BiP is an insurance policy as well as a speed enhancer. Without waiting for energy to recharge, you can move faster through the deep, and thus, get more green drops overall. Monks can also spam endlessly without worry about e-management or e-management skills, thus, keeping your party topped off just in case.
No it's not necessary. But it really does make things alot easier and faster. Kanaxai also becomes a pain in the butt without 100% consistant heal party.
Also note, that only two monks are needed with a steady BiP. Replace a monk (or two) with a damage character to bump of the damage (since some here don't like to sacrifice additional damage lost with the BiP).
No it's not necessary. But it really does make things alot easier and faster. Kanaxai also becomes a pain in the butt without 100% consistant heal party.
Also note, that only two monks are needed with a steady BiP. Replace a monk (or two) with a damage character to bump of the damage (since some here don't like to sacrifice additional damage lost with the BiP).
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At least half of you lack knowledge of BiP and the game in general so stop talking nonsense.
Quote: Any group demanding a BiP for energy management has issues. If you can't manage your energy properly then you lack some skills. I go on FoW runs all the time and I bring BR. Sometimes no one asks for it, and we have no problems plowing our way through. However, there are times when there is a monk or ele that demand constant BR and when this happens it usually turns out that the group will fail.
IF BR isn't good enough, then likely the group isn't good enough. According to you, a lot of craps aren't needed. You don't need a Monk to heal you, any GOOD character will bring self-heal and take time in between to heal him/herself. If you can't heal yourself, then it's likely your group is crap. Rez are crappy skills, you shouldn't die AT ALL.
Quote: Personally, I'd rather have a constant Order of Pain/Order of Vampire up with a constant Blood Ritual then gimping your party's damage output by going BiP. Unlimited Energy Ele > Warrior with OoV
Quote: Just an ele suffers from exhaustion 90% of the time so yeah damage output from a nuke is cool but wait about 5 minutes for the next one.
Might explain why MM & Order/BiP Necros get on teams in Tombs compared to Ele's who last about 2 minutes as they cant do anything as they're knackered out
Been there, seen it and it wasnt pretty..... Echo chain Meteor Shower is not "5 min of exhaustion". Either your eles sucked or you can't see right. Tombs are not the same as other areas so don't go around comparing them. 1 Tank can keep aggro in mostly other areas so the Ele can meteor shower AOE nuke them. Order is used in Tombs because the B/Ps while MM is used to provide tanking.
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Quote: Any group demanding a BiP for energy management has issues. If you can't manage your energy properly then you lack some skills. I go on FoW runs all the time and I bring BR. Sometimes no one asks for it, and we have no problems plowing our way through. However, there are times when there is a monk or ele that demand constant BR and when this happens it usually turns out that the group will fail.
IF BR isn't good enough, then likely the group isn't good enough. According to you, a lot of craps aren't needed. You don't need a Monk to heal you, any GOOD character will bring self-heal and take time in between to heal him/herself. If you can't heal yourself, then it's likely your group is crap. Rez are crappy skills, you shouldn't die AT ALL.
Quote: Personally, I'd rather have a constant Order of Pain/Order of Vampire up with a constant Blood Ritual then gimping your party's damage output by going BiP. Unlimited Energy Ele > Warrior with OoV
Quote: Just an ele suffers from exhaustion 90% of the time so yeah damage output from a nuke is cool but wait about 5 minutes for the next one.
Might explain why MM & Order/BiP Necros get on teams in Tombs compared to Ele's who last about 2 minutes as they cant do anything as they're knackered out
Been there, seen it and it wasnt pretty..... Echo chain Meteor Shower is not "5 min of exhaustion". Either your eles sucked or you can't see right. Tombs are not the same as other areas so don't go around comparing them. 1 Tank can keep aggro in mostly other areas so the Ele can meteor shower AOE nuke them. Order is used in Tombs because the B/Ps while MM is used to provide tanking.
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Boy, that's certainly false.
Try playing the Deep without BiP. Good luck staying in there for an extra hour or so. Quote:
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Mostly, you find them in amazingly poor PUGS. However you did actualy see it played in PvP *sometimes* (BR was far more common, or even just running a Drain Enchantment or Power Drain on the monk in addition to MoR/Edrain...)) when everyone and their mothers were running two or more Energy Denial mesmers.
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Insults and poor ones at that thrown by a school child..amusing.
Waste a skill slot carrying BiP or take a regen break hmm my skill bar has no room for a lame skill so I'll take the regen break any day.
Rush? decent groups NEVER rush, they take their time and do things correctly.
Monks are required but yes everyone should bring some type of self-heal.
Dual SS should'nt carry rez, if the monk dies then find a new monk.
BR is not needed for dual UW, only poor quality monks require it.
Yes my avatar is amusing..thanks, ironic..only sometimes
Now kindly stop throwing your toys out the pram.
Waste a skill slot carrying BiP or take a regen break hmm my skill bar has no room for a lame skill so I'll take the regen break any day.
Rush? decent groups NEVER rush, they take their time and do things correctly.
Monks are required but yes everyone should bring some type of self-heal.
Dual SS should'nt carry rez, if the monk dies then find a new monk.
BR is not needed for dual UW, only poor quality monks require it.
Yes my avatar is amusing..thanks, ironic..only sometimes
Now kindly stop throwing your toys out the pram.
Just FYI, you don't get drops while you take a break to regen. Since getting drops is the whole point of going, it would seem like a good idea to minimize the number of breaks needed.
Think about it. If using BiP speeds up the run, why wouldn't you want to bring it? Taking longer to finish does not make you uber 1337, and rushing is only a bad thing if it endangers your ability to succeed.
Think about it. If using BiP speeds up the run, why wouldn't you want to bring it? Taking longer to finish does not make you uber 1337, and rushing is only a bad thing if it endangers your ability to succeed.
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Just FYI, you don't get drops while you take a break to regen.
No that is true but I will still get that drop after the regen break so that arugement is pointless.
Quote: Since getting drops is the whole point of going Since when? I like going to FoW just to do the quests..omg shock!!
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Quote: Since getting drops is the whole point of going Since when? I like going to FoW just to do the quests..omg shock!!
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Taking longer to finish does not make you uber 1337
Your point being? I never stated it did. Quote:
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