Weapons Are Overrated.

You shoulda tried doing Barrageway in FoW without weapons :P

I think we'd have to rename it headbutway

Incorrect, why do you PvPers constantly bash PvE? I bet I could put a balanced GvG group in the Underworld to farm, they would die before they could even escape the Aatxes. It'd go something like this:

Warrior #1: Frenzy!
Warrior #1: *Dies Seconds Later*
Warrior #2: Same
Warriors: OMG PV3 N00000BS!!!!!!! RIPOSTE IS NOOB!!!!!!
Aatxes: *Nothing*
This repeats for several times until the team is out of ressigs. The Ranger is the next to die:
Ranger: H4x0r!!!!
Elementalist: OMG!!
Monks: OMG h4x!!!
All dead. Align's fix was better.

The pet's might be able to kill them? Maybe not I don't really notice the pet damage myself. As long as you take the smal groups out first and hope for atleast 2 bow drops, you might be ok

Go clear ice dome like that, and then I'll be damned impressed... but fow is pretty much a joke anyways, except for the burning forest. That place is a challenge.

omg i spat my drink all over my keyboard, that was so funny xD.

PvPer's don't bash PvE because they hate it, they bash it because it's not really that hard.

/sarcasm
I'm sure the intelligent PvPers would just run down to UW without doing any research whatsoever and use frenzy to try to kill Aatxes, then wonder why it doesn't work.
/sarcasm off

I know at least one of the people who said, "This just proves PvE is easy" is a PvEer. I also know that I agree with that statement, as does my friend Savio. I'm a PvEer. I think it's pretty easy (for the most part) because you 1)always know what you're facing and 2) can use absolutely anything you want to in order to kill the stuff you already know is going to be there.

My contribution:
This doesn't prove that weapons don't make a difference in the game. This proves that the weapons don't make much of a difference in the FOW, or in more general, PVE.
This is not saying that PVE is easy, thats for every player to define for himself.
The real experiment should be in PVP, but not because of the claim that PVP is harder. In PVP, assuming all players are equally experienced, both teams are equally matched. The only difference between the 2 teams would be the lack of weapons on 1 team, as opposed to the FOW where the differences are much broader: 1 team consists of humans and the other of the AI.
The results in PVP would truly indicate the difference between a team with better weapons, and a team with lesser weapons.

We did'nt stand there adding up average damage, spell duration etc. The idea was to firstly have some fun and secondly see how imperfect/no weapons changed the gaming impressions.

We all want a 15>50 etc, but the reality is that a 14>50 is as good. 15>50 just *feels* better. The majority part of the test was to see how the experience changed as well as the practical side.

Sure we could have done an 8 way scrimmage etc, but that would have removed two key factors we wanted to test.
1. The feel good factor - Never has having a white drop felt so good.
2. The Quality and distribution of drops in that run

For an experienced team Fow is easy. We all knew the mobs, patrols order etc etc so it gave us a degree of control. We did'nt use trick builds, just tried to emulate a normal team build.

we could have spent all night wanding barrels, collecting numbers etc we would have had sheets saying weapon 1 did 10-12 dmg per hit, weapon 2 did 11-22 etc. But then that would fuel 'feel good' factor of any max super weapon, as mentally you would have read that weapon 2 did more. To prevent this, thats why we used whatever dropped.

It would also be hella boring to do and read.

In short, it's not about the numbers it's about the gaming experience underpinned with a practical example. Plus it was really fun, which in the end I guess is entirely the point. Hmm Maybe no spell UW next - lol

all this proves is that finding better equipment is fun, welcome to diablo

Welcome to every RPG created.

I know you were trying to be funny...I think. But If you think PVPers are going to use the same skills they use for PVP for the FOW then you're very much insulting their intelligence. Which, I think you were intentionally doing.

Considering i was running Beastmaster w/ Enraged and Brutal, hitting for +37/74 and +80 almost every hit... its really not that hard to make pets kills things. Not to mention the knockdown/dazed the pet had for casters making them really easy.

"LFG to FoW, i'm rank 8"

Ring any bells? Yup, its retards who think there rank makes em better at PvE.

After substantial time in both 6-8man PvP, and all areas of PvE, I've come to the conclusion that they bash PvE because PvE is easy.

Why do you even bother posting? All areas have a different setup; how ignorant do you have to be to think PvPers, especially those that effectively run balanced GvG, don't know how to PvE? The fact you seem to think anyone would run a GvG build in UW... well, there isn't a point to it. Nobody would, except possibly you.

Anddd Sid beat me to that

It was an interesting experiment.

Tbh Energy on monks makes a difference however i have played as a monk in pve AND pvp with -5 sword dmost of the time or no weapons equipped for Emanagement purposes.

Weapon is important because it gives bonus like 20% chance of halve casting time, gives hp, energy. it makes a huge differents.

I'm not a PvPer. I've PvE'd since I got Guild Wars, and I'm in a PvE guild. gg?

great another pvp vs pve thread.

pvpers don't bash pve because pve is easy, whether it is or not i'm not going to say, i'm not interested in the stupid argument.

What i will say is that pvpers bash pve because all nerds want to feel superior in some way to something. Lets face it, in real life, we hardly ever get to feel that way.

Awesome. Just Awesome

You guys are teh leet.