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Vamp or Sundering, which is more dmg in the long run?
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ah, my last post didnt get posted for some reason, lol, think i hit the BACK button before posting. anyway, it basically said thanks to savio for the breakdown, it doesnt make sense then though how i'm gettin 20-30 extra dmg every 4 hits or so (with sundering and critical hits)...
as for searching Shiz, unless i'm just blind, i dont see a way to limit searches anymore. as i stated already in this thread, you type in sundering or vamp in the search box, and ur just gonna get hundreds of listings for Sell and PC section.
as for searching Shiz, unless i'm just blind, i dont see a way to limit searches anymore. as i stated already in this thread, you type in sundering or vamp in the search box, and ur just gonna get hundreds of listings for Sell and PC section.
I didnt include the math because I have done it in this very sub-forum many times before.
Yes, Sundering is based only off of base weapon damage, NOT attack skills' bonus damage.
These tests were assuming 60 AL target, 16 Hammer, and 9 Strength. (what were your numbers at? 78 damage on a crit with a hammer, how?)
A crit with a clean 15% customized Hammer is 87. A crit with 20% Sundering activating does 107. A crit with Sundering activating while underneath the effects of Judge's Insight does 132. This means that Sundering activating underneath Judge's Insight on Fierce Blow can deal 174 damage. Without JI, it would still deal 149 damage.
Vampiric would, given an infinite number of hits, would deal more raw damage, yes. But if this game was about DPS then Cleave would be a favored elite over Eviscerate. Consider a standard Devastating Hammer + Crushing Blow + Fierce Blow chain:
With a Vampiric weapon you will always deal 15 extra damage. With a Sundering weapon, you have 3 seperate chances to deal ~20 extra damage. Given that you have an 80% chance for Sundering not to proc each hit, thats roughly a 50% chance that Sundering WILL proc, and deal more damage. And assuming you get one proc, there is still a decent chance you will get another.
Sundering allows you to put more pressure on your target when you need it most (as its in those three hits a Warrior does his job, not all the rest).
Its true that you can not rely on Sundering is not something you can rely on, but its potential is greater then that of Vampiric, whos damage in a spike is insignificant.
Also, Sundering has no downside, while Vampiric gives you health degeneration (health steal too, sure, but you dont always hit).
Yes, Sundering is based only off of base weapon damage, NOT attack skills' bonus damage.
These tests were assuming 60 AL target, 16 Hammer, and 9 Strength. (what were your numbers at? 78 damage on a crit with a hammer, how?)
A crit with a clean 15% customized Hammer is 87. A crit with 20% Sundering activating does 107. A crit with Sundering activating while underneath the effects of Judge's Insight does 132. This means that Sundering activating underneath Judge's Insight on Fierce Blow can deal 174 damage. Without JI, it would still deal 149 damage.
Vampiric would, given an infinite number of hits, would deal more raw damage, yes. But if this game was about DPS then Cleave would be a favored elite over Eviscerate. Consider a standard Devastating Hammer + Crushing Blow + Fierce Blow chain:
With a Vampiric weapon you will always deal 15 extra damage. With a Sundering weapon, you have 3 seperate chances to deal ~20 extra damage. Given that you have an 80% chance for Sundering not to proc each hit, thats roughly a 50% chance that Sundering WILL proc, and deal more damage. And assuming you get one proc, there is still a decent chance you will get another.
Sundering allows you to put more pressure on your target when you need it most (as its in those three hits a Warrior does his job, not all the rest).
Its true that you can not rely on Sundering is not something you can rely on, but its potential is greater then that of Vampiric, whos damage in a spike is insignificant.
Also, Sundering has no downside, while Vampiric gives you health degeneration (health steal too, sure, but you dont always hit).
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Where are the search nazi's at? Sorry, got held up by them gestapo noobs. Who the hell do they think they are, fuhrers? Geez...
Anyways, here goes:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3066860
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3021321
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3068652
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3060603
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...d.php?t=118344
Heil!
Where are the search nazi's at? Sorry, got held up by them gestapo noobs. Who the hell do they think they are, fuhrers? Geez...
Anyways, here goes:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3066860
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3021321
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3068652
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3060603
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...d.php?t=118344
Heil!
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Sundering is not totally inferior to Vampiric! Look at vampiric, IF you hit them Then you will gain health. What if they use a blocking stance?! then you won't hit them, you will have a bonus degeneration, and they will really be putting the hurt on you. Sundering is more of a universal thing, if they block, sundering will just not happen...no bonus damage, but no negetive side effects. Vampiric are more for risk takers. I like sundering personally, i don't take a lot of risks
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Sundering is not totally inferior to Vampiric! Look at vampiric, IF you hit them Then you will gain health. What if they use a blocking stance?! then you won't hit them, you will have a bonus degeneration, and they will really be putting the hurt on you. Sundering is more of a universal thing, if they block, sundering will just not happen...no bonus damage, but no negetive side effects. Vampiric are more for risk takers. I like sundering personally, i don't take a lot of risks
The question here is what does more damage. Not what has more risks.
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Is losing 2 hp per second really that much of a risk compared to paying 10 times more money to deal less damage?
Money? Who the hell cares about money? Its so damn easy to come by in Guild Wars its almost laughable, if it werent for the fact that the game mechanics support it.
And we have to seriously define the theatre in which we are talking about...
And we have to seriously define the theatre in which we are talking about...
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1 degeneration is nothing. Sundering doesn't do anything if it can't hit either..
1 health degeneration is a HUGE deal! if you are attacking and your attacks are blocked taht could last for 30 seconds, that means -30 health right off the starting bat and also the actual damage you take which could be hundreds depending on e the level, efectivenes, and number of enemies....but more on topic:
well....in terms of specifically damage go vampiric...just know that its a big risk because of the health degeneration. In terms of safeness and solid foundation, but not as much damage go sundering. Personally, i think that someones poitning out of how PvE is more for sundering and PvP is more for vampiric. (that i think is mainly what you are looking for)
well....in terms of specifically damage go vampiric...just know that its a big risk because of the health degeneration. In terms of safeness and solid foundation, but not as much damage go sundering. Personally, i think that someones poitning out of how PvE is more for sundering and PvP is more for vampiric. (that i think is mainly what you are looking for)
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Originally Posted by Dante the Warlord
1 health degeneration is a HUGE deal! if you are attacking and your attacks are blocked taht could last for 30 seconds, that means -30 health right off the starting bat and also the actual damage you take which could be hundreds depending on e the level, efectivenes, and number of enemies....but more on topic:
well....in terms of specifically damage go vampiric...just know that its a big risk because of the health degeneration. In terms of safeness and solid foundation, but not as much damage go sundering. Personally, i think that someones poitning out of how PvE is more for sundering and PvP is more for vampiric. (that i think is mainly what you are looking for) Hi there.
See those four weapon slots? Stop being lazy and use them. Alternatively; get a monk who can deal with you having one pip of degen.
well....in terms of specifically damage go vampiric...just know that its a big risk because of the health degeneration. In terms of safeness and solid foundation, but not as much damage go sundering. Personally, i think that someones poitning out of how PvE is more for sundering and PvP is more for vampiric. (that i think is mainly what you are looking for) Hi there.
See those four weapon slots? Stop being lazy and use them. Alternatively; get a monk who can deal with you having one pip of degen.
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These tests were assuming 60 AL target, 16 Hammer, and 9 Strength. (what were your numbers at? 78 damage on a crit with a hammer, how?)
I was listing critical hits sans attack skills, which was why Strength AP was irrelevant. With an attack skill and 9 Strength it would do 87 damage plus the attack skill damage if any.
Quote: Vampiric would, given an infinite number of hits, would deal more raw damage, yes. Which is what the OP asked about as stated in the title, and which I answered. But we might as well discuss which one is more useful since nobody really talked about it after the sundering buff.
Quote: Vampiric would, given an infinite number of hits, would deal more raw damage, yes. Which is what the OP asked about as stated in the title, and which I answered. But we might as well discuss which one is more useful since nobody really talked about it after the sundering buff.
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But if this game was about DPS then Cleave would be a favored elite over Eviscerate.
The difference between Cleave and Eviscerate is the difference between one more spammable weaker skill and a skill that is part of a spike chain. The difference between vampiric and sundering is either always having a small amount (3 or 5) of extra damage or occasionally having an uncontrollable boost to damage (7-14, crit 20 for hammers). Just because DPS isn't the highest priority in the game doesn't mean we throw it out entirely. Were the extra damage from sundering to occur enough to be of significance, it actually would be a viable alternative. But does sundering have enough of an effect? Quote:
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there's something called wild blow. maybe you should use it sometime.
Personally i hate wild blow...its not that great...and its a pretty high adrenaline cost...all it does shove them down...i replcaed it with quivering blade because not everyone has a blocking stance, just i think vampiric is better for PvE only, sometimes i like to just sit back and relax while killing thye enemy, BUT i heard about zealous, does this really have no health degeneration...i know it has energy gain.
