Learn what a Group is

In certain areas of the game, certain farming groups have certain jobs that certain people do to farm there...

Lets take BP Group for example, in PvE Tombs...

I"ve been having more and more trouble with this lately...It's fine that you are new or something, but learn what a group is and what they expect form you before you blindly go in without telling them.

Now. A BP group is:
5 R/Mos that use Barrage, Bring Pets, and Carry Rebirth
2 necros, 1 Orders, 1 MM.
1 Healing Monk.

If you are a Ranger...I don't care if your r/w, r/e, etcetc "pwns face" - a BP ranger is /mo for Rebirth...theres a REASON they carry rebirth. Also don't forgot to bring your Pet...(I've seen rangers that didn't know to bring a pet).

Make sure before you go in that one Necro is an Orders and one is an MM..I've went in TOO MANY TIMES where both were the same, or One necro didnt know what type of necro he was supposed to be, so came in as something like SS/SV.....

The Monk...this is usually the group stopper. YOU ARE A HEALING MONK. Orison..WoH..Heal Other..w/e. PLEASE leave you "pwnage" Healing Breeze type spells at home, and don't even argue that you want to be a Prot Monk...ain't happening. Also...don't bring a rez...(this one happens alot). You are wasting a slot, theres already SIX hard rezes in the group, and every sec you sit there trying to rebirth someone - more are dying. If you GOTTA bring a rez because you'll have a heartattack if you dont...DONT USE IT...I better not see you trying to rez ANYONE unless their are no rangers alive..TOo many times the group died because a monk decided to rebirth someone themselves (without focus swapping none the less).


I don't have problems with non-BP groups there...But if you aren't going to be one of the above things...Please tell the group..so they can kick you and you can find a non-BP group.

Same goes for the special SF farming groups..."5 Man Oro Farm" doesn't mean you can self invite as anything.

/vent >_>

EDIT: fixed it to 5 rangers, someone almost had a heartattack because I accidently hit "6" in the original post.

It's Friday night, chill out

Most PUG's can't really follow directions, but I actually find Tombs groups to be better, b/c they're a one-trick pony, and it's harder to mess things up.

Someone had a bad experience in Tombs today...

The easy solution would be talking to your group beforehand. Oftentimes the new people are reluctant to ask as they know they'll be booted for someone more experienced if the group leader finds out. be open with your group, say clearly what you want if you want specific builds, and do your best not to exclude new blood. We don't want PvE turning into a HA style rank fest, now do we?

argh another angry nub

I have a bad experience in Tombs EVERY day -_- It gets worse and worse.

Dr Strangelove - We do go over it. It ragequit ANY group right off that doesnt: Check before hand about necros being Orders or MM, Doesnt check for spirits on the rangers (who is carrying what), or anyone that just rushes in before people say ready.

This idoesn't weed everyone out though. There are people that say pretend to be something, then when you get in they just use whatever they want. I've had that happen 4 groups in a row before. The necros were "supposedly" setup one as orders and one as MM, then when we get in the MM is actually an SS...so good game. This is mostly a monk thing though...Some Monks are GLUED to being prot, so they'll invite when you say Healing monk needed, and when you get in they start spamming Prot Spirit and crap..

EDIT: Quote: argh another angry nub Oh Be quiet. I can vent about groups if I want. The day when people stop thinking their cool on forums for throwing about the words: "Troll", "Nub", "Flamer" - will be a great day.

6 rangers
2 necros
1monk

now if i use my awesome mathematical powers im almost positive that figures adds up to 9 players in a grp. did some make a mistake in his rant?

lmfao cani say pwnage flame

Quote: Originally Posted by Former Ruling

Well, since apparently millions of copies of GW were sold - let's say there are maybe a few hundred thousand active players from that... let's also say most of them probably don't look at forums, including this one. It's probably worth bearing that in mind rather than expecting people to know about builds and whatever. Much less disappointment that way

I'm not telling you to stop posting or get over it etc. in fact I'd encourage the opposite and disregard the people trying to stop any remotely "it's not all rainbows and presents falling from the sky in GW" posts. Just it might be more helpful to think of things that way. If you encounter people who have ideas on builds etc. great but probably better not to be expecting it in random groups.

Quote: Originally Posted by jaymat

this thread does not deliver.

What kind of monk tries to use Rebirth in the middle of a fight at all? That's just moronic...

Farming Tombs? Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!! And you complain about noobs? Ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!

You just made my night.

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Ugh, definitely not grouping with Former Ruling if he's in charge. I'm fine with insisting on optimised builds, but yours aren't.

Quote: If you are a Ranger...I don't care if your r/w, r/e, etcetc "pwns face" - a BP ranger is /mo for Rebirth...theres a REASON they carry rebirth. A quick note on Rebirth: It's only the best hard res in situations where the party wipes immediately beneath a mob. Most wipes will actually involve a trail of corpses away from the danger area, and under those circumstances a Res Sig targetting the Monk (who is guaranteed to be carrying Rebirth) works just fine (and two wipes where the same ranger is the sole survivor are extremely rare).

If a ranger is carrying Ward Against Melee or Recuperation I'm perfectly fine with them taking that different secondary - both of the above skills can contribute more to the group than Rebirth's off-chance at saving a team from a wipe.

A couple of team members carrying Res Sigs is actually helpful, as it means you can effectively combat-res the monk or MM. Please, please don't Rebirth me if there's a million Grasps roaming the area!

Finally, the difference taking Rebirth makes is sufficiently small that I don't feel the need to force people to change secondaries for their farming runs.

...Which leads me to my second point:
Quote: {monk}Also...don't bring a rez...(this one happens alot). You are wasting a slot, theres already SIX hard rezes in the group Are you insane?! The monk is the one character who by definition is going to be in the backline avoiding aggro. If more than four people drop, it's his job to lead the charge back out of danger (healing whoever's taking damage as they also flee) and then taking care of the gradual recovery.

Agreed, a monk should never res in combat. Heck, no-one should Rebirth in combat!
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PLEASE leave you "pwnage" Healing Breeze type spells at home You might want to explain yourself a little further. I agree that Breeze is sub-par, but I don't understand (a) why the sarcastic "pwnage" is relevant, and (b) why you think we can somehow derive an entire category from this disjointed half-sentence. If your monk is Prophecies-only and is already using two heal-other-only spells (Word of Healing and Dwayna's Kiss, say), then Breeze isn't actually that bad a choice for a self-heal/backlines heal - it lets you anticipate damage, it's handy when you're kiting a Grasp, and you can use it to hint to the MM that he should Blood of the Master more aggressively! If you have Factions and can run Ethereal Light, though, then certainly there's no point running Breeze. Incidentally, I'm suprised you're not insisting on Succor on the Orders necro. Isn't that the latest thing? ...Don't like it myself, as Monk or as Orders. The monk is better off running some energy management of his own, and the Orders is actually often under more strain than people give them credit for and is genuinely hurt by the maintained enchant. Plus maintaining enchantments in Tombs is asking for some mesmer attention at the best of times... (For the record, I play Monk and Orders through Tombs - I'm very good at both, with dozens of successful runs to my credit. I've carried groups where we've had 4+ ragequitters to a successful finish, and I've led mobs of first-timers through without incident. And I play not-100%-standard builds because mine usually work better with the uncertainties of a pickup group) Mo/N: {e} Offering of Blood Orison of Healing Dwayna's Kiss Ethereal Light Heal Party Mend Ailment Smite Hex Rebirth N/Rt {e} Order of the Vampire Order of Pain Blood Ritual Blood Renewal Vampiric Gaze Recuperation Mend Body and Soul Flesh of My Flesh I'm willing to defend the above builds against all comers.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Xenrath

Quote: Originally Posted by Minus Sign

No wonder the ops groups have so many problems. Nobody else would want to play with someone with such a bad attitude. Your post would have been relevant and helpful if you had taken the role of "patient teacher" and calmly explained your builds and strategies. Unfortunately, no one is going to pay any mind to your post because of the unconstructive way it is written.