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Kashrlyyk · Jul 16, 2005, 07:04 PM // 19:04

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Originally Posted by Cunning

That's what I call fantasy.

We are not talking about wet dreams!

A behaviour like that, is the reason I don´t want that in a game!

Sleet · Jul 16, 2005, 10:50 PM // 22:50

"A behaviour like that, is the reason I don´t want that in a game!"

nobody force you to play this game.

Calibur · Jul 16, 2005, 11:25 PM // 23:25

15k druid armor looks cool in black * for the male*
and the looks is how everyone is going to have to adjust too.

Nairo · Jul 16, 2005, 11:27 PM // 23:27

I do agree with Kashrlyyk about the new armor. Sure, this is a game, but still, how do you expect someone to fight hordes of enemies wearing nothing but the bare essentials? It doesn't make sense, and that's very annoying to someone like me.

Sleet · Jul 17, 2005, 12:26 AM // 00:26

hmm do you know what is magic ? U can be naked and have powerful Necklace and be imune to all dmg. Come on ! Use your imagination and/or take a book to your hand -_-V no off but like i said no one is forcing you to play this char.

Kishin · Jul 17, 2005, 12:55 AM // 00:55

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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk

Raising dead and casting meteor is fantasy, but fantasy, imo, doesn´t include running around half naked fighting monsters!

Tell that to Robert E. Howard and Conan.

drowningfish999 · Jul 17, 2005, 01:48 AM // 01:48

Well, if you look at the Hulk, the stronger he gets, the more clothes he loses. Therefore less clothes=more strength.

Kashrlyyk · Jul 17, 2005, 08:42 PM // 20:42

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Originally Posted by Kishin

Tell that to Robert E. Howard and Conan.

Why is it that after so many decades, people creating fantasy games and movies haven´t stopped using his clichees? The book was published around 1932. Now is 2005. Why do people still use what he created? Aren´t they brave enough to say: "No, this will be a game, where no female is running around half naked just for the sake of it!" It is stupid! Why are they sticking do stupid clichees and not trying to create something new?

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Originally Posted by Sleet

hmm do you know what is magic ? U can be naked and have powerful Necklace and be imune to all dmg. Come on ! Use your imagination and/or take a book to your hand -_-V no off but like i said no one is forcing you to play this char.

Because it is unrealistic! And they stick to realism! A sword is a melee weapon and not a ranged weapon, and they stick to that! Iron armor protects better than leather, and again they stick to that! But why don´t they stick to: An armor must cover most of the body to protect it? Why is it always the females that are half naked?

There are people creating backgrounds for their characters and when they buy the armor, they see that their brave, fighting ranger, has been reduced to a bikini model! That is destroying the roleplaying atmosphere completly! Hey, look! My death bringing character looks like she is a bikini model! Yeah! That is really great!

Druids Arrow · Jul 17, 2005, 08:51 PM // 20:51

I like the look of the male Rangers in all black, however, I'll stick to my 15k Drakescale (all black) thank you very much.

Just as Kashrlyyk pointed out aswell isn't Armor supposed to be just that, Armor? The 15k Druid Female Armor (key word Armor) looks like a bikini model. It's hardly armor, however I'm not complaining.

Crito · Jul 17, 2005, 09:10 PM // 21:10

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Why are they sticking do stupid clichees and not trying to create something new?

true that, in all the best fantasy ive read no one makes a big deal about all the girlies running around in small suits. If all you are writing/programming is centered on how much the girls are/arnt wearing you are pulling away from a new world and just trying to get some horny guys to buy. The 1.5 gladiator armor is great, its sexy and it lookis like armor. The 15k druids and gladiator are not a more beautiful armor but just a tribute to the human body. I think its not a tribute because 1)I it promotes objectification of the ladies and 2) if your going to praise the human body why isnt there a naked man?(I didnt say this to be gay but to point out once again that the real reason this was done was to give the boys playing something to drool at from behind the safty of a screen. Go to the beach, Id rather have the deves working on sweet weapons and new areas.)

Kashrlyyk · Jul 20, 2005, 06:15 AM // 06:15

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Originally Posted by Crito

true that, in all the best fantasy ive read no one makes a big deal about all the girlies running around in small suits. If all you are writing/programming is centered on how much the girls are/arnt wearing you are pulling away from a new world and just trying to get some horny guys to buy. The 1.5 gladiator armor is great, its sexy and it lookis like armor. The 15k druids and gladiator are not a more beautiful armor but just a tribute to the human body. I think its not a tribute because 1)I it promotes objectification of the ladies and 2) if your going to praise the human body why isnt there a naked man?(I didnt say this to be gay but to point out once again that the real reason this was done was to give the boys playing something to drool at from behind the safty of a screen. Go to the beach, Id rather have the deves working on sweet weapons and new areas.)

And I would like the devs to be redoing the female druids 15k "armor"!

Shoujo · Jul 20, 2005, 08:54 AM // 08:54

Naked men - There are plenty of half-naked men in Guild Wars

. Just take a look at the male gladiators, tatooed monks, and scarred necros. They may not be naked, but the mesmer males wear skin tight clothing that shows off their behind.

Roleplaying - Huh? What roleplaying atmosphere? The most 'roleplaying' I've seen in GW only goes as far as a fantasyish name. Scantily clad women would be the least of my worries if I were a RPer in GW.

Realism - They most certainly don't stick to realism. Just about every weapon in the game would be impractical to wield. We have characters that are being struck by meteors and lightning and living to tell the tale. Characters perform just as well at 1% health as they do at full health. Missions can be repeated regardless of the number of times failed with no consequence to the plot. Is it really so hard to assume the leather bras are magically imbued and whatnot?

Kashrlyyk · Jul 20, 2005, 03:21 PM // 15:21

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Originally Posted by Shoujo

Naked men - There are plenty of half-naked men in Guild Wars

. Just take a look at the male gladiators, tatooed monks, and scarred necros. They may not be naked, but the mesmer males wear skin tight clothing that shows off their behind.

Roleplaying - Huh? What roleplaying atmosphere? The most 'roleplaying' I've seen in GW only goes as far as a fantasyish name. Scantily clad women would be the least of my worries if I were a RPer in GW.

Realism - They most certainly don't stick to realism. Just about every weapon in the game would be impractical to wield. We have characters that are being struck by meteors and lightning and living to tell the tale. Characters perform just as well at 1% health as they do at full health. Missions can be repeated regardless of the number of times failed with no consequence to the plot. Is it really so hard to assume the leather bras are magically imbued and whatnot?

For every "naked" man,there is an equally naked woman! But for the female druid there isn´t!

If you have made a background for your character and then you see that this character is reduced to a bikini model, than the atmosphere is lacking!

This is a fantasy game, which means there are magic and wands! But when you look at the armor design and the other weopans, you will realize that they stick to realism! A sword still is melee! And a platemail grants better protection than a leather armor! The look of the armor of professions that exist in reality look realistic, except for the female druid! She looks like a waitress on a beach! That breaks the realistic looks of the rest of her armor!

psykadelic224 · Jul 20, 2005, 03:29 PM // 15:29

i agree fully with kashrlyyk this is a bit obsurd...... you cant seriously think that 15k druids is armor and you know that kashrlyyk is right so admit and dont say to yourself "no if i admit i cant wake up every morning with an erection thinking about my 15k druids!"

jesh · Jul 20, 2005, 11:21 PM // 23:21

Okay, seriously. Yes, it looks very little like armor. Yes, most of the female classes are that way. Yes, maybe it is a little too... little. BUT it's not like you have to wear it. Which is why I don't get the RP point of view. No one's forcing you to wear it. It's not like it even has better stats. Go wear collectors armor or something if you're scared of ruining your illusion of reality. Let the slu7s wear their slu77y clothes. This is the way things have always been. I don't have any complaints.

Shoujo · Jul 21, 2005, 12:22 AM // 00:22

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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk

For every "naked" man,there is an equally naked woman! But for the female druid there isn´t!

No argument there. That was just a response to the claim that there are no naked men.

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If you have made a background for your character and then you see that this character is reduced to a bikini model, than the atmosphere is lacking!

The character is only reduced to a bikini model if you allow it by wearing the bikini outfits.

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This is a fantasy game, which means there are magic and wands! But when you look at the armor design and the other weopans, you will realize that they stick to realism! A sword still is melee! And a platemail grants better protection than a leather armor! The look of the armor of professions that exist in reality look realistic, except for the female druid! She looks like a waitress on a beach! That breaks the realistic looks of the rest of her armor!

Those ram's hammers, oversized swords, handaxes, and stormbows don't look realistic. Studded leather skirts provide the same, and in some cases better protection than other leather outfits which cover more skin. The weapon-boosting leather helms do provide comparable protection to platemail helms. Against physical attacks, the most revealing gladiator's armor provides the best protection. That warrior's fissure armor is a joke. The druids armor has twigs tied to it. One or more of those ranger armors has a bloody animal's skull on its shoulder. Leather armor provides protection against the elements. Why? Where's the realism except at a bare-bones level?

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Originally Posted by psykadelic224

you cant seriously think that 15k druids is armor and you know that kashrlyyk is right so admit and dont say to yourself "no if i admit i cant wake up every morning with an erection thinking about my 15k druids!"

Yes, I can think 15k druids is armor. In a world where simple clothing and tatoos can provide protection against stab wounds, I don't see how it's far fetched to assume that leather bras can also provide meaningful protection.

Kashrlyyk · Jul 21, 2005, 07:38 AM // 07:38

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Originally Posted by Shoujo

The character is only reduced to a bikini model if you allow it by wearing the bikini outfits.

No, if I want the status symbol of the prestidge armor, I am forced to wear a bikini as a female druid! I don´t get the status of a druid, I get the status of a bikini model!

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Originally Posted by Shoujo

Those ram's hammers, oversized swords, handaxes, and stormbows don't look realistic. Studded leather skirts provide the same, and in some cases better protection than other leather outfits which cover more skin. The weapon-boosting leather helms do provide comparable protection to platemail helms. Against physical attacks, the most revealing gladiator's armor provides the best protection. That warrior's fissure armor is a joke. The druids armor has twigs tied to it. One or more of those ranger armors has a bloody animal's skull on its shoulder. Leather armor provides protection against the elements. Why? Where's the realism except at a bare-bones level?

All AL of all armors are very near together, that is for game balance! But still all other armors look like armor! The weapons don´t look realistic, but they are use in a realistic ways! A bow is a ranged weapon, and a sword is a melee weapon!

Warrior armor has iron build into it, that is why they have a higher AL and they cover mostly the whole body, with exception of the gladiator!
A gladiators armos is realistic, they wore that in ancient Rome! And because of balance issues, all warrior armors, need to have the nearly same AL!

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Originally Posted by Shoujo

Yes, I can think 15k druids is armor. In a world where simple clothing and tatoos can provide protection against stab wounds, I don't see how it's far fetched to assume that leather bras can also provide meaningful protection.

Mages wear simple cloth for armor. They have their spells, maybe even the whole armor is made stronger via a spell! But a ranger is not a mage! The armor level he has, is purely given through the armor he wears! And the reduction of elemental damage, shows the closeness to nature!

Scars and tattoo can be magical symbols or words, delivering protection. But the ranger doesn´t have that!

Shoujo · Jul 21, 2005, 09:17 PM // 21:17

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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk

No, if I want the status symbol of the prestidge armor, I am forced to wear a bikini as a female druid! I don´t get the status of a druid, I get the status of a bikini model!

In that case, you can wear the other 15k ranger armors or just the arm and boot pieces of the 15k druids, possibly the leggings as well if you need the statistical benefits.

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All AL of all armors are very near together, that is for game balance! But still all other armors look like armor! The weapons don´t look realistic, but they are use in a realistic ways! A bow is a ranged weapon, and a sword is a melee weapon!

Warrior armor has iron build into it, that is why they have a higher AL and they cover mostly the whole body, with exception of the gladiator!
A gladiators armos is realistic, they wore that in ancient Rome! And because of balance issues, all warrior armors, need to have the nearly same AL!

So you're saying that unrealistic items can behave in a realstic fashion? Or that items can look realistic (gladiator's armor), but behave unrealistically? Realism has no connection with function then. What's wrong with bikini armor in that case?

You mention iron a lot. How is it that superior quality cloth and leather items can have comparable or better AR than items containing iron? Take Droknar cloth/leather items and compare them to the lower quality warrior armor available in Ascalon. The latter has iron in it, but doesn't provide better protection. Superior quality or no, cloth is cloth, and leather is leather. How do you explain this without magic? If you can't, and have to rely on magic, then why can't bikini armor provide protection?

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Mages wear simple cloth for armor. They have their spells, maybe even the whole armor is made stronger via a spell! But a ranger is not a mage! The armor level he has, is purely given through the armor he wears! And the reduction of elemental damage, shows the closeness to nature!

Scars and tattoo can be magical symbols or words, delivering protection. But the ranger doesn´t have that!

Rangers are servants of nature and command nature spirits. Mages don't have a specific spell that augments their armor (not the same as AR), but you make the connection between their magic and the protective qualities of their clothing. How is it far-fetched to assume that it nature spirits that protect rangers regardless of how much they're wearing? You yourself make a similar argument to explain the protection from elements.

PYLDRYVOR · Jul 21, 2005, 10:28 PM // 22:28

The druids armor does look tight and really really tight on her OUCH! But they should make a tight Ascended Knights Armor

Blow_Holez · Jul 22, 2005, 12:40 AM // 00:40

Heres my 15k druids female armor, finnaly got an picture host site. The armor is dyed red and is on my pride and joy Ranger/mesmer Ms Diablo. Oh, and I did something funn with it

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