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darksage78 · May 09, 2005, 01:09 AM // 01:09

Still rough pencils. I thought the Necromancer on the GW box could be my first attempt. I figured after awhile that I couldn't get the realistic impression so I went for an anime style. I think the head is too big imo, what do you guys think?

CatsPaw · May 09, 2005, 05:03 PM // 17:03

Looks good, I think the head is fine...the only thing size wise I might make smaller would be her fingers......maybe.

Nice work

darksage78 · May 09, 2005, 11:59 PM // 23:59

Another WIP, drew when the family came over *rolleyes* lol Thanks for the feedback and tell me what you think of this one too.

JjK · May 10, 2005, 03:33 AM // 03:33

nice, nice, nice
I can't even draw a circle...

ShaneFalco · May 10, 2005, 09:37 AM // 09:37

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Originally Posted by JjK

nice, nice, nice
I can't even draw a circle...

I'm with him on both parts.

The drawings are great, though I agree that the fingers on the first are a little too large. Got any plans to add color to them sometime?

DraieGardo · May 10, 2005, 11:34 AM // 11:34

Nice, i especially like the second drawing, alot more complex to draw. Im working on a female Ranger at the moment, ill put it up when its done. Im not so good with posture, its hard to draw life into them.

How long does it take you to draw. That one above would proberly take me a day to complete :/ ahh well practice practice

darksage78 · May 10, 2005, 09:20 PM // 21:20

No idea for colour yet, but hopefully I will soon. I'll edit the Necro sometime soon but right now I'm creating my own stuff using art from GW which I'll post soon. Thanks for the responses guys!

Nikells · May 24, 2005, 02:24 AM // 02:24

The actual drawings are really good, I like the style and the posture/proportions of the characters are awesome.

The only criticism I have is that you're using too soft a pencil, the lines are very thick.
With a harder lead you could make these drawings look far more detailed.

Delil Isiorion · May 24, 2005, 04:38 AM // 04:38

As a college art student who has taken Life Drawing, and practiced for hours on end on how to draw the human figure, I can say you have a great amount of drawing issues. The proportions are off, the eyes are enormous, the perspective of the feet, face, body, hands, arms, legs, hips are all off, the figures seem like flat stick figures, they don't seem to have any 3 dimensional form, the fingers look like wooden flippers, the hair falls unnaturally, the chest seems to concave inward, leaving no space for the fulfillment of the ribcage, the eyebrows look like some derranged catipiller block, there is no varrying lineweight but one consistant trudging black line adding to the flatness of the form. And all of these... are the same mistakes I have made and still make. Drawing the figure is probably the most difficult task of any form, and assuming you are a novice at drafting the human form, these are excellent attempts. I will say, that the quality and rendering of the clothing I like much better than the actual form of the figure. They're so detailed, and extravagant looking, excellent job. Granted, they could still use much improvment, but they're a nice attempt. If you're wondering why I sound a little rough, it's becuase you're never going to get better if nobody is straightforward and truthful about these things. It's always best to take the advice of those more skilled and trained and instead of getting upset, thing about and digest the information, and think about how you could improve on these areas. Drawing is a learned skill, anyone can learn how to draw and I stress, 'anyone'. All it takes is practice, and a little bit of research. But eventually, you will continue to get better, and better, and eventually end up drawing realistic 3 dimensional forms with just a slight of wrist.

Keep drawing, believe in yourself and your work, and continue to improve. You've got a great start here, but don't give up, as I said you have a lot of issues presant, but nothing you can't fix, and nothing you can't improve on and learn from.

-Delil

Dumb Quixote · May 24, 2005, 03:11 PM // 15:11

Wow Delil, you certainly had a lot to say. I especially liked your encouragement for the OP to continue getting better. And while it's great that you are offering such a precise critique of the OP's artwork, perhaps I can offer you a small bit of advice with regards to criticism.

1) Start with the things you liked first (see above). If you start positive it will build a certain respect for whatever criticism that follows.

2) Refrain from personal comparisons that appear to put down the OP while making you sound "better" ("always best to take the advice of those more skilled and trained")

3) Ensure you understand the intent of the OP. They actually stated: "I couldn't get the realistic impression so I went for an anime style". Your critique is based on realism not anime.

For the OP, I think you've done a great job capturing the feel of GW. I certainly could see these drawings out of context and know exactly what game they came from. Good job!

-DQ

Soul Monarch · May 24, 2005, 03:33 PM // 15:33

DarkSage -

Nice stuff! I love the work your doing on the outfits. (This is the thing I have the most trouble with.) And you seem to have a pretty good sense of proportion too.

I agree with Nikells though: The lines are far to indistinct to get the proper amount of detail in certain areas (i.e. face and hair.) And the chin in a bit off-kilter on your elementalist, but that's minor.

What kind of equipment do you use? I've tried a lot of different tools, but I always end up coming back to my trusty .5mm mechanical pencil for my line art. I'm always curious what other people preferences are.

Arbel · May 24, 2005, 03:49 PM // 15:49

Really nice! I love the details. As an artist (sorta), I have such impatience when it comes to adding detail, so yes you did a really good job there

Mechanical pencils are the only things i use. It varies between the .5mm and 7.mm, depending on the line of the drawing. Tech pens are nice too. I hadn't use them in a while, but I have a good set.

I love using charcoal, too, maybe i should do a drawing. hmmm...it has been awhile...

Tomo · May 24, 2005, 03:57 PM // 15:57

Great drawings ! i did the necromancers face as my first attempt, but its not very good ( i only recently attempted drawing ^^). If i can get my scanner to work, ill post it. Although, My printer fell on it twice, so it could be broken...

Off topic: Hmm, the scanner light is on, but what program can i use to aquire the image ? the one it suggests "cant detect scanner"

Soul Monarch · May 24, 2005, 04:34 PM // 16:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arbel

Really nice! I love the details. As an artist (sorta), I have such impatience when it comes to adding detail, so yes you did a really good job there

Mechanical pencils are the only things i use. It varies between the .5mm and 7.mm, depending on the line of the drawing. Tech pens are nice too. I hadn't use them in a while, but I have a good set.

I love using charcoal, too, maybe i should do a drawing. hmmm...it has been awhile...

Arbel, you're an artist too?

A cute female gamer who is an artist on the side. Can you sing, or play any instruments? If you can, I'm going to have to require you to marry me.

Delil Isiorion · May 24, 2005, 05:05 PM // 17:05

Dq,
I appreciate your feedback, but as I said, it is best to be straightforward or they'll never learn. In my class, my professor will absoloutely break out drawing down and rip into us piece by piece. Even if we have the tinyest issue, she will have us remove it and/or start over again. In fact, just today I finished a 5 hour studio drawing, she came by, ripped into me about how the proportion of the eyes and nose were off to the face, and told me to start over, but yet she also told me that I have been improving tremendously since the beginning of the course. It's not always best to highten artists hopes that their piece is magnifiscient, becuase then they will learn absoloutely nothing. Really, if you're going to draw, you should draw for your benefit, to learn something, to enjoy yourself, and that's why I said it was a good piece. However, all of those things are off, even for an 'anime style' piece. No matter how abstract anime form may be, there are still matters of proportion, volume, correct rendering of the form, and line weight to take into consideration. It was never my intention to 'put down' the piece or the artist, I was merely saying, that these are the things I have learned from being in an actual class that teaches the rendering of the form, and therefore it would qualify me as more trained.

There is a great difference between comment and critique. The artist asked for feedback, and I gave them feedback as would be expected in a real critique, and as I get each day in my course. Now that the issues are identified, it will be easier for the artist to pick up on them later on, and continue to work on them as they continue to improve.

The goal of my post was to offer constructive criticism. Where not all of it may have 'sounded' positive or encouraging, my intention was to offer advice in regards to the drawing and how it might be improved. I've found that in all my years, I learn most from the straight-forward honest critiques than I do from the 'shuffling feet "ohh.. i like it"' comments.

Thanks for your advice, but I don't really see anything I did or said as incorrect.

-Delil

Arbel · May 24, 2005, 09:36 PM // 21:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soul Monarch

Arbel, you're an artist too?

A cute female gamer who is an artist on the side. Can you sing, or play any instruments? If you can, I'm going to have to require you to marry me.

I know how to read music, and I have a liking towards the piano and violin, but I can't sing worth horse manure.