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BlueXIV · Sep 30, 2009, 02:05 AM // 02:05

@Espy, I lied. I'm actually Obi-Wan Kenobi.

@YSJ, pffffffff. You would rather believe in the Buddha than Lucas? I don't see much enlightenment coming your way.

@Azalee, awww thanks. I think I might give back to the community just for that piece of flattery.

@Baibai, we're still here, just not doing commissions all the time yet. I think you'll find that if you do want to learn, people here are pretty helpful. If you don't, well, nothing we can do about that hehe.

@Widowmaker, I have fans? D:

Widowmaker · Sep 30, 2009, 02:11 AM // 02:11

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@Widowmaker, I have fans? D:

Well, more stalkers than fans.

YunSooJin · Sep 30, 2009, 02:13 AM // 02:13

Blue i know where you live arrrrrrr d:

hoodiestarfish · Sep 30, 2009, 02:15 AM // 02:15

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Originally Posted by Baibai

This is gonna sound weird but as one of those potential newbies looking to join the Nolani community seeing all the 'veterans' (time spent here or time spent generally arty-farting) step away is much more off-putting than anything else I can think of.

"no one knows what a man may achieve, until he, motivated by desire, marshals his forces and decides nothing will defeat him"

We are all inspired by each other. we are all connected on this earth. Since children we looked at the world with awe and gained inspiration from it. We look at the works of the great masters, we look at the work of our peers. In every piece of work there is a lesson, an inspiration whatever the technical level, someone invested a piece of themselves in it.

When i see great art, in the world by artists past and present, what i see is determination and human spirit more than anything. The desire to overcome the odds and create something that did not exist in this form before. For this indomitable spirit, anyone who commits their thoughts to paper, digitally or analogue, is a creator irregardless of final product.

For those of you who have been disheartened by the achievements of those you deem technically better artists than yourselves, don't be....

Think of it this way. If you are the best in the world and throughout history, there is no more road left to travel, no more challenges what else is there?

The creative works of others that we admire, demonstrate to us what is possible given our human constraints. It is there to inspire you to take yourselves to whole new levels. Instead of hiding in a hole, hiding your light under a bushel, do yourself justice and follow your desires. You can achieve what you set your mind to. Pay the price and the prize is yours (time, effort, sweat and blood).

Drelias Melaku · Sep 30, 2009, 10:28 PM // 22:28

As Azalee said, seeing different artists' interpretations of the same character never ceases to amaze me. I have over 150 pictures of two of my characters (who have absolutely nothing to do with GW.. They were for D&D/stories on my spare time) that I collected on another site, but I recently decided to move on from them. (I think 150 is enough)

There are far more memories and hours dedicated to Guild Wars, and it's fascinating to see what people can do with already-realistic characters. I first came to Nolani just a couple of weeks ago, and I've already had to clean up my fair share of drool as I look through the threads of various artists. I wanted to get some C&C from other artists here, but I am a bit intimidated; I'm nowhere near as good as 99% of the artists in this forum, though I hope to be someday. I imagine when my fiance and I have to go without internet for a bit (new house for the win), I'll get a lot of practice in, and maybe I'll have something decent to show for it when I get back. I hope Nolani will still be active by then. I'm going to try to improve at least to a point where I'm comfortable showing others my work.

Morag D · Oct 01, 2009, 05:13 PM // 17:13

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Originally Posted by BlueXIV

for people that demonstrate an amusing unguarded fanatism for their characters that makes them abandon all pride

mwhahahaarrr

Force-choke you, we can

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btw, I heard from a friend that espy and I are intimidating. Is... That really true?

perhaps that's less due to your artz but more to the fact that you've managed to hijack virtually every thread over the last couple of weeks

BlueXIV · Oct 01, 2009, 06:17 PM // 18:17

Super troll!

StarrTheInsane · Oct 01, 2009, 06:21 PM // 18:21

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Super troll! :d

Best Halloween costume concept EVAR!

and this shirt http://deviantwear.deviantart.com/art/Zombie-123271226 which I actually couldn't resist and ordered

Baibai · Oct 02, 2009, 11:05 AM // 11:05

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Hai Bai! u draw o.O?

Haha, I used to draw a few years ago (stopped when I finished high school really) but am starting up a bit now again though. :]

Hate to burst the bubble about the pvp guru scene though but I'm sure there are a few numbers that simply go to the TeamQuitter forums exclusively now. :P But! Nolani is probably 500000 times more constructive and useful so in that respect it still wins

Inde · Oct 17, 2009, 06:13 AM // 06:13

I'm so late to this convo, and I apologize I haven't addressed it as I've been busy but this has been discussed with me. (Ironically I do graphic design, more print then online work so this issue is near and dear to me.) I disagree with Slayer on the idea that art should be done for cheap or that there should be a single-file line for it. Viewing of art? Yes. Creation of art? No.

Artists possess a rare talent. It's something that is paid for. Good art gets charged more. And typically custom art even more! It is completely up to an artist to set the price that they want someone to pay (if someone desires it they will pay), and even more welcome for someone to pay more for something they want.

An artist is under no obligation to anyone to bring down their prices. If you don't want to pay it, then don't. If someone wants to pay more... then they're in line ahead of you. It's rather that simple. A good artist is going to stay in "business" with people who want his art at the price they are willing to pay. There's not enough traffic to justify separating out the section.

Sorry to be so harsh but the same system works in real life. In demand artists can push a client back for someone willing to pay more for a higher commissioned piece. I find it silly that some of those complaining about the long waits and prices are not artists themselves and all ready have multiple pieces done for them by various artists. I'm not identifying anyone but it should be obvious if you can't draw or do a piece such as it yourself then of course that artists time is in demand. It's up to the artist to decide how valuable that time is.

I know you wanted a discussion between the artists and clients but honestly, if someone wants the work they will pay for it. It's really in the hands of the artists. And if an artist is willing to do work for cheaper then that is their choice as well to gift that to people.

I know this section can actually be really helpful and quite an asset to new artists. To get critiques on their work, ideas for how to improve and more. If I can find a way to highlight these threads more I will be happy to do that. Or even if I can find some way to emphasis non-commission posts more if that's the artists' here desire. Let me know of any ideas you have so that we can improve the contributing nature of this forum. I don't believe a separation is the way to go but I am certainly open to ideas.

(And yes, I deleted out all the trolling as it derailed the thread.)

Chicken of the Seas · Oct 18, 2009, 03:24 AM // 03:24

I agree except for the fact that the highest bidder may have a character that the artist thinks is butt-ugly. If it was real life money I'm sure that it would still be done but since it's in game gold I'd think that the interest should come from the artist. Hence my idea, they open a commission thread for example and perhaps name prices, but there is no waiting list. The artist themselves get to choose who they want to draw based on whatever (being easier, better looking, etc). Each artist may have different ideas on what they would prefer to draw.

Eragon Zarroc · Oct 18, 2009, 06:03 AM // 06:03

It seems people have made the excellent artists feel guilty for charging so much to the point that they have decided to step aside so that unknown artists can come forth. They may be cheaper for all those that complain about not being able to get commisions due to not being able to afford it, but of course the quality is so much lower too. Bleh. Now we don't get to watch the work of the excellent artists.

makes me sad.

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(And yes, I deleted out all the trolling as it derailed the thread.)

noticed

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Super troll!

isn't this a pretty obvious one u missed though? LMAO!

Duranin · Oct 19, 2009, 05:04 AM // 05:04

Just observing the current active artists around Nolani nowadays, it seems that it has really become a painters' world around here.

YunSooJin · Oct 19, 2009, 05:16 AM // 05:16

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Originally Posted by Araiia of the Songs

Just observing the current active artists around Nolani nowadays, it seems that it has really become a painters' world around here.

Isn't it great?

hoodiestarfish · Oct 19, 2009, 05:31 AM // 05:31

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Originally Posted by Araiia of the Songs

Just observing the current active artists around Nolani nowadays, it seems that it has really become a painters' world around here.

i thought last week it was a chibi world :S or was that 3 weeks ago.

eeks · Oct 19, 2009, 06:01 AM // 06:01

*Hides her chibis and whistles inconspicuously*

I quite like the variation in styles and quality around here.

I've come from a.. Uh, similar site to gaia myself, and it was always flooded with chibi/anime artists whilst, unless very popular, those with a more realistic style were pushed back to the bottom of the forum.

Not that I've a problem with anime-esque styles (hell, I sometimes draw in said style myself), it's just... Pleasant to see the variations.

As for pricing, I think tips are the safest way to go. I've noticed a few artists list what they recieve and whilst intimidating to buyers if the tips are high, I think it provides a reasonable price range to their artwork.

BlueXIV · Oct 19, 2009, 06:08 AM // 06:08

Hmmm are you saying we need more anime? I can do that!

YunSooJin · Oct 19, 2009, 06:17 AM // 06:17

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Originally Posted by eeks

*Hides her chibis and whistles inconspicuously*

I quite like the variation in styles and quality around here.

I've come from a.. Uh, similar site to gaia myself, and it was always flooded with chibi/anime artists whilst, unless very popular, those with a more realistic style were pushed back to the bottom of the forum.

Not that I've a problem with anime-esque styles (hell, I sometimes draw in said style myself), it's just... Pleasant to see the variations.

As for pricing, I think tips are the safest way to go. I've noticed a few artists list what they recieve and whilst intimidating to buyers if the tips are high, I think it provides a reasonable price range to their artwork.

People are cheap (also, read you PMs), so I don't think tips is a really good idea.. I think there should be a baseline that the artist is worth, and anything on top of that should be tips

. And yeah, I like variations too, although I must say I'm a bigger fan of the painter-style Araiia mentioned.

Morag D · Oct 19, 2009, 07:07 AM // 07:07

o.0
this thread is still alive?? ZOMG NECROMANCY!!

But yeah, I agree with Inde. Good thing I don't have a set style, I can just sit in my little corner and do my own thing

Duranin · Oct 19, 2009, 06:38 PM // 18:38

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i thought last week it was a chibi world :S or was that 3 weeks ago.

lol more like 1-2 months ago, but yeah. Things shift and painting seems to be the thing right now.

@Blue - There's more to the world than black and white... or, painting and anime for that matter P:

@Morag - I like your art, especially the stuff that is lineart + realism.