Curse

Eragon Zarroc · Sep 26, 2009, 07:51 PM // 19:51

sooooooo, the higher end more established artists are going to take breaks so that potential new artists of lower quality (that may not even exist) can have the chance of coming into nolani to sell their commisions at lower prices for the people that dont farm enough to afford higher end art? O_o huh? is this whats happening?

Hailfall · Sep 26, 2009, 09:02 PM // 21:02

Oh no it wasnt you.. it waw sthe certain person who started complaining about nolani and causing a whole flood of threads including this one. You certainly did not break Nolani at all.

Espadon · Sep 26, 2009, 09:21 PM // 21:21

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Originally Posted by Eragon Zarroc

take breaks

Permanent breaks, at least in my case.

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Originally Posted by Eragon Zarroc

artists of lower quality

That's harsh man. I don't think that's true at all! Everyone's art is valuable ^___^ And I'm sure more artists will come.

QG: You're not the only one voicing concerns. Araiia, Starr, and Sierra all spoke about the elitism and epeening and so it's obvious the best course of action is to lop it off :3

Jenn · Sep 27, 2009, 02:59 AM // 02:59

I've been a long time reader of Nolani Academy. I don't post because I wouldn't know what to do with the art if I had it, or because my artistic skills consist of stick figures

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That said... for a moment, nevermind all this debate over prices and such. What saddens and disappoints me most is the apparent lack of respect for people, thread creators, etc. Whether it's a one-liner or someone being rude to another person, I don't think it's needed. I love to come here and look at the art, and seeing people rejoice about something like this - customers being excited, random people being excited, and artists being excited by the finished product.

I like happy mushy feelings ^_^.

Nemesis Xero · Sep 27, 2009, 09:28 PM // 21:28

Wow, I didn't check the forum for like... 2 days, and I come back to THIS

aren't you guys overreacting a little?

I mean, ok Araiia made a thread about her leaving, but I guess a lot of artists would do exactly the same thing. It wasn't her intention to create a lot of drama, she just wanted to share her opinion, which is the purpose of a forum.

I don't think Nolani is bad atm, I've been stalking this forum for a very long time now, and yes there are a lot of active artists atm, and they sometimes ask more money than before, but I don't think that's a bad thing. If you're good, you can ask a lot of money for your work, that's just fair. The only thing that annoys me sometimes is that people who barely got art of their characters done and are willing to wait and pay the normal price (according to the pricelist of the artist) for a piece, have to endlessly wait for their artwork because rich people are bribing the artist to do theirs first and things like that. I understand why people bribe artists, and I understand why artists take bribes, but it just kinda sucks for the other people

Rushin Roulette · Sep 28, 2009, 09:29 PM // 21:29

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Originally Posted by Unlucky Slayer

Honesty. I feel that there is way too much epeen being thrown around anymore. By the artists or the clients it does not matter. All the auctions and bribes say is "if you have money you're better than everyone". And I dont like it.

As Inde told me one day, the game is old and people have jack shit to do with their money, so with the boredom and all that they throw piles of money at art. heh

I've always felt that art should be free for all that enjoy it. And with the constant upping of the ante so to say, it saddens me.

As for the different art styles out there right now, I do feel that there has been too much chibi and not enough "traditional" styles. That also scares me to think about what will become of this area. Not that Chibi is bad, it just comes to that whole "Too much of one thing..." deal.

What I hope will happen with Nolani is that less epeen will be thrown around by way of bribes, overpriced art/auctions, and request threads disguised as contests. I'd also like to see more different art styles. (Hopefully some of the chibi people will try some new styles out.) =3 That and more art for me and Koing the guys that keep this place running. =P (The last statement was a halfway joke.)

Sure contests are good and it gets more art out there, I'd love to have Guru hosted contests, but I'd need a lot of help from everyone to get good ideas and all that bs.

Anyway I've ranted and rumbled enough for now even though it didnt come out the way I had thought about it in my head. lol

If you were offended by some of the truth in this post, suck it up. =P

Maybe you mods should talk things over with Inde about how you want to shape up this section then (especially the underlined part of your post).

I haven't been active on either side in this Sub-Forum (Being as artistic as a dazed Opossum and haven't yet decided if I would like anything arty made for myself ... yet), so I guess I can take an outside view of things.

Maybe you could move all the contest and threads to the "Seeking Services" area, all the commissions threads to the "Services Offered" area.

Nolani could be reserved for all the free art and general ingame arts.

BlueXIV · Sep 29, 2009, 03:09 AM // 03:09

Why not just make a subforum?

Anyways I think splitting the commissions will make nolani extremely... dead :\

Chicken of the Seas · Sep 29, 2009, 03:12 AM // 03:12

Why did Nolani merge with lyssa's fiction anyway? I've always wondered that.

Unlucky Slayer · Sep 29, 2009, 03:18 AM // 03:18

Nolani was merged with lyssas because lyssas was nothing for traffic and inde doesnt like too many forums...

Also with sub forums, Nolani used to have one... it got no use and was condensed again.

Qing Guang · Sep 29, 2009, 04:37 AM // 04:37

I agree with Blue, Nolani would go kersplat if the commissions and contests moved.

Besides, that'd mean we'd have to venture out from our safe, sheltered art colony into the scary world of the rest of the site. DUN DUN DUN

YunSooJin · Sep 29, 2009, 06:25 AM // 06:25

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Originally Posted by Qing Guang

I agree with Blue, Nolani would go kersplat if the commissions and contests moved.

Besides, that'd mean we'd have to venture out from our safe, sheltered art colony into the scary world of the rest of the site. DUN DUN DUN

don't you realize you're still breaking nolani

hoodiestarfish · Sep 29, 2009, 06:40 AM // 06:40

safe and sheltered as opposed to where? spose pends who u talk to.

@YSJ patch some of the holes with ur magic ectos

Morag D · Sep 29, 2009, 08:17 AM // 08:17

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Originally Posted by hoodiestarfish

@YSJ patch some of the holes with ur magic ectos

lmao.

I agree with Blue (who'd have thought that??) and the others - splitting Nolani won't do any good. Half the art I've ever posted here was inspired and incited by contests. They're what brings new artists out from under their rocks in the sand. However, just posting hundreds and hundreds of contests without a clever idea/topic will not get much response - it has to be interesting as well. And for commissions... how much (GuildWars-related) art would we have here if everyone just posted what they're randomly doing in their free time? Imo, not very much.

@ art lovers
the more we know about your characters, their stories, their ambitions, etc ... everything that shows us how much they mean to you, is likely to get good response, because it makes us artists feel like we're not just drawing some random (often fugly) toon.

BlueXIV · Sep 29, 2009, 03:33 PM // 15:33

@morag, D: am I really so disagreeable?

In all srsness tho, I will let you guys know the secret of how (atleast I) choose commissions I want to do.
1. I will do high $ commissions. Not very surprising. Can't help it, money is fun.
2. I will do commissions of characters I enjoy the designs of. This can be abstract and whimsical, so don't depend on it too much.
3. I will do commissions, often free, for my friends/people I like. Don't take this as a hint to suddenly start talking to me tho

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4. Finally, I will do commissions for people that demonstrate an amusing unguarded fanatism for their characters that makes them abandon all pride

. Tis why I want to do YSJ's soon, and why I originally wanted to do morag's (but then I realized just HOW many she already had :P). This does not however, mean that you should write a 10 page bio, since we probably will to;dr it.

Anyways, I'm not sure about all the other artists, but that's my preferences. Hope it helps.

btw, I heard from a friend that espy and I are intimidating. Is... That really true? There are plenty of good artists here... I don't really feel like there is any reason to be intimidated... Oh well, now that we both /resigned hopefully it doesn't matter.

hoodiestarfish · Sep 29, 2009, 03:52 PM // 15:52

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Originally Posted by BlueXIV

for people that demonstrate an amusing unguarded fanatism for their characters that makes them abandon all pride

LOL yea i love those people.

Here's my list.

I have a deep respect for people who are passionate about what they want.

I paint for people who treat others with consideration and respect.

I paint for people who are encouraging and supportive to others and have witnessed acts of kindness by them from afar.

I paint for people who i know will enjoy my artwork 2 years down the road.

Each painting of mine has a piece of me in it so i want it to go to a good home, as dramatic as it may sound, but i'm sure fellow artists will agree their art is an extension of them.

And ofc i paint for people who really want it, not just people who have lots of money to throw at artists.

Art is about making myself and others happy, if it doesnt make me happy anymore i'll just quit.

YunSooJin · Sep 29, 2009, 05:35 PM // 17:35

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Originally Posted by BlueXIV

@morag, D: am I really so disagreeable?

In all srsness tho, I will let you guys know the secret of how (atleast I) choose commissions I want to do.
1. I will do high $ commissions. Not very surprising. Can't help it, money is fun.
2. I will do commissions of characters I enjoy the designs of. This can be abstract and whimsical, so don't depend on it too much.
3. I will do commissions, often free, for my friends/people I like. Don't take this as a hint to suddenly start talking to me tho

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4. Finally, I will do commissions for people that demonstrate an amusing unguarded fanatism for their characters that makes them abandon all pride

. Tis why I want to do YSJ's soon, and why I originally wanted to do morag's (but then I realized just HOW many she already had :P). This does not however, mean that you should write a 10 page bio, since we probably will to;dr it.

Anyways, I'm not sure about all the other artists, but that's my preferences. Hope it helps.

btw, I heard from a friend that espy and I are intimidating. Is... That really true? There are plenty of good artists here... I don't really feel like there is any reason to be intimidated... Oh well, now that we both /resigned hopefully it doesn't matter.

you're as intimidating as a little freshwater turtle with two heads :3

Also yes, unguarded fanaticism. That's a good word for it =P. Although you make me sound awfully shameless Blue =(. Not shameless, just.. uhm, obsessed.

Azalee · Sep 29, 2009, 09:19 PM // 21:19

I also know what is like to burn out, or get overwhelmed with a thread, as an artist. I'm also guilty of making a few mistakes because of this and my carelessness. However, I do believe Nolani is a great place for art. And I don't mean just earning plat ingame, because I state in my own thread that isn't important to me. Plat is more like a motivational booster, more than anything else. Which is why even the smallest amount is fine to me and would be expected. It's also why I chose to do bribe. Bribe gives the client a chance to offer what they're willing or able to pay, not pressured in a set price or a high one they don't think they could meet.

I look around at some of the other art here, such as ravensong's watercolors and BlueXIV's fantastic environment paintings. (Which I am so jealous of) They're really great driving forces in getting better at what I do, especially BlueXIV as I'm still a great noob at coloring backgrounds. These artists and others are whom I'd expect to be taking real money commissions of other things, not just plat in a game, ya'know? But, no. They spend hours on their pieces for money in a game. I don't mean to undermine the efforts it took to obtain that money, but I also know those people would do fine getting real money commissions elsewhere. They choose to do this. I think, that's why I don't care about commissions.

I'm not someone who is prepared to talk about the 'good old days' because I wasn't present for much of it, I can only observe what the current state is. There are a lot of contests and commissions, but, I don't really mind. I mean, I still get to look at the art when it's done, see different artists interpretations of characters and I know as I save up I'm going to be right there requesting too; especially as a Roleplayer and my character develops.

What do I wish for Nolani? Just that everyone looks at it as a place to explore art. To experiment and to reach out to broader horizons. To give and take a little, and to just create a creative environment that anyone and everyone can partake in. I may not be a great artist myself, but to know there are artists of varying skill just giving it their all and showing what they've got, that's something to log into everyday. So I say, Nolani isn't bad, it just needs to be embraced more.

Duranin · Sep 30, 2009, 12:36 AM // 00:36

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Originally Posted by hoodiestarfish

I paint for people who treat others with consideration and respect.

I paint for people who are encouraging and supportive to others and have witnessed acts of kindness by them from afar.

I paint for people who i know will enjoy my artwork 2 years down the road.

Each painting of mine has a piece of me in it so i want it to go to a good home, as dramatic as it may sound, but i'm sure fellow artists will agree their art is an extension of them.

And ofc i paint for people who really want it, not just people who have lots of money to throw at artists.

Art is about making myself and others happy, if it doesnt make me happy anymore i'll just quit.

well said.

/12

Baibai · Sep 30, 2009, 12:41 AM // 00:41

This is gonna sound weird but as one of those potential newbies looking to join the Nolani community seeing all the 'veterans' (time spent here or time spent generally arty-farting) step away is much more off-putting than anything else I can think of.

I dunno, I guess just superficially sense an inevitable decline of activity of established artists and the potential tall poppy syndrome, and as someone who doesn't really give a hoot about money and genuinely wants to develop my skills again it doesn't come across as a very nurturing environment. (Not to mention the gigantic shoes any newcomer would have to fill to match the caliber already shown here! o_o And not to say that I'll ever be a close xD)
Of course this could also be more a symptom of people outgrowing/getting tired of the scene which is understandable too :P

But I guess its just my dumb opinion I could write an essay more on the subject but this is already longer than I had planned! xP I'll probably still post the work I have in a sketch dump in hopes I can get some good constructive feedback (if you ever want practice critiquing I make myself a willing target

).

Widowmaker · Sep 30, 2009, 01:55 AM // 01:55

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Originally Posted by BlueXIV

btw, I heard from a friend that espy and I are intimidating. Is... That really true? There are plenty of good artists here... I don't really feel like there is any reason to be intimidated...

You scare small children and Chuck Norris.

On the off-chance you were serious, and if it were true, I'd suspect it is more your legion of fans.

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So I say, Nolani isn't bad, it just needs to be embraced more.

Like some kind of group hug thing going on?