Curse

Sierraa · Nov 17, 2011, 08:00 PM // 20:00

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

I was under the impression that the bill was going to a vote yesterday. Does anyone know what its current status is?

We should know in about a week. The white house has already threatened to veto it though. Unless they want to try to pass it twice, it probably wont go through.

womBonk · Nov 17, 2011, 08:35 PM // 20:35

"Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be
much easier to deal with."

-Ayn Rand

Prestige · Nov 17, 2011, 09:43 PM // 21:43

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Originally Posted by Charlie Dayman

This.

The larger sites might be able to fend off the law with their crack team of lawyers, but smaller companies wouldn't stand a chance. And even if sites like facebook or google were to survive, they'd have to monitor everything that's posted by users.

Want to show off a neat music video to your friends on youtube? Can't do that; you'd have to buy the CD for that. Show your friends a cool scene from a movie? You'll have to either buy the DVD or tickets to show them that. Show your appreciation of the latest movies with some fanart? Nope, can't do that either.

I have a question. I use Facebook & Google (and You tube -Well everything you listed in that post -.- ), would that mean that, considering I'm in Canada, the US Government couldn't do anything to stop w.e site based on Canada acts against that law ?

Like for example. The Domain : Yahoo.com is based in the US, but their other site, based in Canada - Yahoo.ca - would also be in violation of the law ?
If so, that sucks :/

Old but new · Nov 17, 2011, 10:06 PM // 22:06

@prestige In the Continental US IE. Canada, USA, Mexico, (thou I doubt South America would covered) but that still is a possibility.

Death By An Arrow · Nov 17, 2011, 10:27 PM // 22:27

Hopefully this doesnt have a major impact on Canada if it passes, but I doubt that considering the impact the states already has on us.

Just recently a proposal from the telecommunications oligopoly (did I use that right?) for usage-based billing was shot down by the CRTC (essentially the people who watch over telecommunications and legislate them. or thats my understanding. the rule makers), even though the CRTC is usually best buds with Bell, Shaw, and Rogers. The proposal, in essence, was that the 'Big 3' companies wanted to control pricing from smaller internet suppliers, and increase rates and give slower/same speeds because they thought it benefited the consumer. Somehow. But the CRTC came through and forced a change that essentially benefited the common people. Even through all the lobbying, monetary influence, and all, they still managed to see through their rouse

So, unrelated but hopefully something comes through for the US as well. The corporations don't always have to win, as long as a big enough ruccus is made by the people (i believe there was somewhere like 1.5million canadians signed a petition opposing the UBB proposal.)!

Question: Say this DOES go through, and they deemed deviantArt as being guilty of piracy of intellectual properties/whatever the bill is saying. Would that block deviantArt from Americans viewing or would it effectively terminate the website as a whole? Just curious.

Sierraa · Nov 17, 2011, 10:29 PM // 22:29

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Originally Posted by Death By An Arrow

Question: Say this DOES go through, and they deemed deviantArt as being guilty of piracy of intellectual properties/whatever the bill is saying. Would that block deviantArt from Americans viewing or would it effectively terminate the website as a whole? Just curious.

I don't believe it would "block" persay, I do believe that any fanart, alterations of pictures (meme things come to mind), fanfiction and stuff of that sort would be a copyright infringement and dA would be asked to take it down or face fines/consequences. ISP's would also be able to closely monitor your browsing. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

EDIT:I am wrong!

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Intended to combat the trade in pirated movies and music, the two bills would give copyright holders and law enforcement officials added powers to cut off websites and require search engines, payment collectors and others to block access.

So yes! The above listed would be blocked and search engines would be forced to remove any and all links to the material.

Charlie Dayman · Nov 17, 2011, 10:36 PM // 22:36

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Originally Posted by Cuilan

Basically the point of my post was that Charlie Dayman's opening post was misleading or based on not understanding what was in the video he linked.

Thought I understood the bill, but obviously not - I apologize for that. However, if you or anyone else have any links to external websites, please feel free to post them. I'd like to fill the first post with as much info as possible to help explain and bring notice to the topic.

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Originally Posted by Sierraa

So yes! The above listed would be blocked and search engines would be forced to remove any and all links to the material.

Thanks for that, Sierra. Where did you get that info from?

Sierraa · Nov 18, 2011, 12:47 AM // 00:47

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Originally Posted by Charlie Dayman

Thanks for that, Sierra. Where did you get that info from?

Reading through the bill here: http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/...0HR%203261.pdf

Also the Washington Post has this article about artists: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...XaUN_blog.html

Tommy's · Nov 18, 2011, 09:55 AM // 09:55

The European Parlement has expressed itself against the measures.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/...DOC+XML+V0//EN

AmyLynn · Nov 18, 2011, 02:18 PM // 14:18

Firewall law could infringe on free speech

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/16/op...eech.html?_r=2