Well, it is warrented; I've finally got my idea.
Here is the rough idea I sketched out; I was trying to think of stained glass things, so I tried several different things; the grenth statue, the reapers, candy corn men, and mad king thorn to name a few.
I liked it, so I thought I would stick with it.
Next step: make the reference grid. Since Ive got a grid of 6 boards, I drew 6 to-scale boxes at the ratio 1:1.7 (measured and everything D so that when I go to draw on the boards, I know what belongs where on what board. The last time I did a grid project, I had large tracing paper to work on... but I wont be able to trace with the boards. So i'm just gunna eye ball it
Here is my in-process reference grid:
The torso markings are just left-over unerased pencil. I had it all finished and realized it was really cramped... because it was angled wrong. So i got rid of it to start a new, but then had to start on homework :x
Question to the masses: What should go to the left? I'm thinking I'm going to make the background a very dark colour, but I don't want it to clash with the fact that mad king thorn's armor is black/darkgray/darkbrown. But then theres this big empty space on two boards. And theres no point in painting them both just one stale colour o.O I was thinking a candy corn minion or two but... how would I do that perspective wise, without it looking super awkward? Right now, I'm trying to make the perspective left side in, right side out (right side of his head is larger than left, for example. or atleast i tried to :|) So the CCM would have to be farther back. but then they're just there in idle space... out of place. X.X
I really like that idea! as for the left..hmm I wanted to suggest a reaper, but dont they have like...purply face..things? idk if that would draw the attention away from the king if it was on a dark bg D: when i see the king like that i picture him like, playing with puppet strings of a candy corn person XD :3
oh..and
Name: ` Marshmallow
Art Form: Digital!
Idea: Something with the Lunatic Court Finery and a witch broom ? :CC
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TRIIISSSSHHHH!!! Good to see you are still around!
DBAA: Looking good. Somehow in the second picture, I really see him as a big giant, reaching out to pick up some tiny human He really looks like if he's going to pick somehting up. Maybe you can play around with that?
@Marsh hooray for marsh entering That looks like a good start. Don't know if I could implement the puppeteer aspect in, but i see exactly what you mean I'll see about the reaper, my only fear is that the purple face will contrast too greatly with the orange/yellow glow from MKT and draw from the vocal point :S
@Tommy I also see what you mean about the giant-scale. Perhaps someone standing on the edge of a cliff, facing him to show scale? Hmmmm... we shall see after work
Also: I totally forgot that the I will be working... an immense amount of time. Like... 9 or 10 days in a row Dx With school and work it will be a little tough to find a lot of extra time to work on this. However, I may have this week off (in preperation for the week and a half of work after) so if I do I'm going to try to get as much as physically possible done with the piece .___.
The boys and I went out for a quick hike harvesting parts and pieces for the project this afternoon.
But, we ran into a surprise.
Normally, this marsh is dried up by this time of the year. Not even CLOSE this year. That opens a whole new set of possibilities. Debating the feasibility of hiking in enough stuff to do a photo shoot there.
Battery pack green flood, some pumpkins on stakes out in the marsh...
Name: Flesh And Faith
Art Form: Not sure. Traditional media (or maybe a print) digitally touched up?
Idea: Something... Mad
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@Konig: I've finally had time to critique your story. ^^
Thoughts on overall plot (spoilers):
First of all, thanks for posting the summary; I understand your concerns about spoilers, but knowing the overall structure of the story will really help me (and others!) tailor my critiques.
Secondly: You haven't written anything for chapters 4 and 5. I assume this was an oversight, and that 4 and 5 explain what Thorn's "surprise" is.
I'm going to try and write a summary of the plot to see if I've understood it. (I haven't read any of your other stories yet, so I may well be confused about some things that get explained in more detail later; obviously, however, the basic plot of this story should be approachable for any new reader.)
The bratty prince from chapter 1 is essentially a red herring: the guy with the real interest in Konig is his elder brother, Palawa Joko, who wishes to use the Apocrypha to become more powerful than Konig because he's Palawa RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing Joko.
Thorn initially arrives in Istan to befriend the royals, but Joko slowly turns him insane... though we don't learn why he wants to corrupt Thorn in this story.
I didn't notice any explanation for the cause of the scarab plague, but I assume that's also Joko's doing. Konig tries to save the day, but Joko's clever plague disables him, enabling Joko's escape.
Thoughts on chapter 2:
The first thing I notice about this chapter is that it doesn't cover all the plot points you set out for it in your summary: what happened to the befriending, and Janah's suspicions? I guess I can sort of see this being hinted at, but it feels like you're promising to go into more detail in the next chapter instead. Was that an intentional change?
Did we really need an entire chapter just to learn that Konig senses magic coming from the palace? Perhaps if he'd been doing something more interesting than just wandering aimlessly about, it might have been worth the read; as it is, however, it feels like you'd be better off melding it into chapter 1. Speaking of which, though ch1 establishes setting and characters, it does nothing to get the plot going.
I enjoyed the little lore easter eggs, such as the explanation of why a so-called city doesn't have any buildings in it, and the dramatic irony of a future undead Dread Lord being a lovely person.
Chapter 1 edit:
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The dirt was hardened by the heat of the sun, which also caused a slight rancid smell on occasion.
Bolded: You've used a lot of wimpy qualifiers here: "also", "slight", "on occasion". Your goal is to make the reader feel like they're standing on the streets of Fahranur with Konig by invoking their own olfactory memories of hot dirt -- not to give them a report on soil quality. Be braver.
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“I am a guy, so I am a ‘him,’ but I don’t see how that is of any importance.” The two have passed several bazaars selling things from fish and grain to pieces of cheap jewelry and clothing; faces turned toward and away almost instantly as the two passed by. Neither were loud.
Bolded: Comma should go outside the quotes.
Underlined: This is still the wrong tense.
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The boy, no longer grinning, began to pout. “Why are you so stubborn?” When Konig didn’t answer, the boy ran up and kicked him in the back of the knee, knocking Konig down.
Bolded: Whoops, missed this one the first time around. Change "Konig" to "him". You've already used Konig's name in this sentence, so it sounds repetitive, and the situation already makes it clear who's getting knocked down.
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Konig deeply breathed in the humid air around him, doing what he could to clear his thoughts after his annoyance with the kid. He had a purpose in this city, a reason why he came, and he could not be distracted.
Bolded: It's redundant to say he breathes in the air around him. What else is he going to breathe?
Underlined: This is just a rewording of the previous fragment. Remove.
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In order to prevent disasters like what happened during the War of the Gods, Konig decided to hunt down those who would abuse magic. That day, when he fought for and against gods, he saw the destructive powers of magic – power which he wished he had. He witnessed the ability to reshape the landscape.
Bolded: Eh, this phrase sounds like something a gossipy teenager would say, not the narrator of a grim fantasy. Reword it.
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He came to Fahranur out of rumors claiming mystical phenomena happening – though the rumors never said what these events were. Konig was rather surprised the rumors were true; he felt the magic in the air. A strong and ancient magic that was from the time of the gods that ended over two hundred years ago.
Underlined: Wrong word. Change to "because" or "due".
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Furrowing his brow in confusion, finding it odd that no powerful magic was detected despite being able to feel its presence, he walked around the labyrinthine city at random. He passed markets and tents, where those who didn’t sell items worked, and oddly considering the amount of people, very few homes.
Bolded: I'm not sure any of the bolded really needs to be said here. We've already been told that Konig can feel the magic, and we've just seen the spell fail, so it's pretty obvious that that's what's confusing him.
Underlined: Need a comma (or two) in here somewhere.
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No one had well-structured buildings here due to the laws of the city, allowing business only to those who havepermits which only lasted between a week and a month.
Underlined: Wrong tense.
Bolded: Need a comma between these words.
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Every now and then Konig activated the scanning spell again, constantly getting no reaction. He looked up to the sky in frustration, attempting to clear his thoughts once more, trying to find out why there were no concentrations of magic around him. In the sky, he saw the looming towers of the royal palace that lied in the southern portion of the city. They were the only structures capable of being seen over the tall walls that encased him and everyone else in the city.
Bolded: "Constantly" isn't quite the right word, given that Konig is testing every so often, rather than leaving the spell running. Try "consistently" or "invariably".
Underlined: Should be "lay".
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Until the last century, the palace was in the deepest part of the city – since then, they removed part of the city’s walls and gave direct access to the outside of the city, which led straight into a couple canyons and eventually a bog, effectively replacing artificial mazes with natural ones. The only purpose of this was to create a palace garden.
Bolded: Who's "they"? Also, this should be past tense.
Underlined: Should be "couple of canyons".
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Someone, or something, must have brought magic into the city, it was the only answer.
Underlined: Comma should be a semicolon.
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And to find out, there was only one means. He’d have to get into the royal palace, where the magic’s source appears to be.
Bolded: Konig has already sussed the answer, so he doesn't need to find anything out. I think what you meant was that he needs to confirm it.
Underlined: Wrong tense.
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He was the reason she worked so hard to become Firstwatch of Fahranur, and she would serve his family in any way she could. To her, that’s what it meant to be of the Sunspear Guard.
Underlined: Wrong tense; "that's" is always a contraction of "that is", even if the context implies it should be "that was".
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Even though there were no other children around his age, as Fahranur was a city of business and not living, and his twin siblings were six years older than him, he was an odd one. The only time he went out was in disguise as a poor child who wondered into the city in order to buy things to study in secret.
Bolded: This wording implies that the peasant persona is the one looking for things to study in secret. The peasant wanders, but the prince is the one looking for things to study.
Underlined: Should be "wandered".
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The pillars were circular and bare; at the time they merged into arches that crossed the hallway and between those arches on the ceiling were more that created x shapes. The few windows – all stain-glass that depicted the history of the royal family – in the hallway were five feet high and had slanted windowsills.
Underlined: This sentence is really badly worded. I get that it's describing the cross shapes formed by pillar-arches curving into the ceiling, but it took too much thinking and rereading to figure that out.
Bolded: "The few windows in the hallway" should really be kept as an entire phrase, instead of split up like you've done here. It should be obvious from the mention of stained glass (that's how you spell it, by the way) that the bit between the dashes is referring to the windows and not the hallway.
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“Ma’am!” A guard shouted as he ran towards Janah. When he stopped, he turned and bowed his head in acknowledgement to Onrah before continuing his report. “A stranger approached the front gates requesting reprieve. He appears to be an Orrian traveler.”
Underlined: Okay, I'll start off by saying that I'm not terribly familiar with this word, so I might be missing something here, but a dictionary check tells me that it means "cancellation or postponement of punishment".
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“Orrian? Interesting, why don’t we let him in.” Onrah said with a curious tone in his voice.
Bolded: I know you'd prefer not to use a comma here, but this line reads particularly awkwardly. Try sticking the tag between "Orrian" and "Interesting", instead of at the end of the dialogue, or reword the tag to make it more concise.
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“Then keep an eye on him.” Onrah replied quickly, his voice in an uncaring tone. That was the problem with the king – he trusted people too easily, despite knowing the potential dangers.
Bolded: The words "quickly" and "uncaring" don't really fit together very well: if he doesn't care, why the quick response? A better word than either of these might be "dismissive".
Because thats the closest thing that came to mind o___o Aside from that, you would have to draw on top of it crudely or something for me to see this. D:
@UnOrthOdOx Where do you go hiking where there are just bones litered everywhere? o__O But nice surprise with the marsh
@DBAA: Your initial sketch actually looks better than your current attempt; the perspective and anatomy is better, and he looks like he's climbing out of the picture to attack the viewer. (Which I really like.) For filling the empty space, what about simply moving Thorn to the left, so that his torso and head fill the centre tiles and his arms fill the outer tiles? Keeping the window background from your initial sketch would also help fill space and give you an excuse to make Thorn's immediate background a less clash-y colour than dark brown.
UPDATE! Finally, bonjela actually posts something of her own instead of insulting other people's works.
I was having trouble getting the background to look bright and interesting without sacrificing the spooky, nighttime feel, and I got an idea on how to fix it from one of the videos Sura kindly linked: greyscale! With the colour gone, it's much easier to figure out the shading; I just hope I don't fail at putting the colour back in later. :x
I've also gone with the suggestion to use moonlight after all. I'm not sure I've got the illuminated areas looking right, given that the moon is behind the arch, but maybe I'm just being overly literal-minded. Once I fix the right-hand tower, it'll probably look okay. What do you folks think?
This is what it looked like immediately after switching to greyscale...
...and this its current state:
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Hmmm I see what you mean. What I think I might do is finish this sketch with tommy's suggestion/non-suggestion-idea-thing where it looks like he is massive and looking to attack some people, and then do the same grid-idea and try to recreate my initial sketch because I do see what you mean about the coming out at you thing.
I initially deviated from the loose sketch because I felt like if I made one side larger/one smaller it would have a more drastic in/out feel. Then it didn't really fit the stain glass feel anymore and I dropped the semi-circle. Then started too high, too lazy to erase, so I just extended the rest of the body into the shot [not finished. I just have the legs for placement]. I got through all the chest and realized everything had been slanted in the wrong direction for where I was trying to add perspective :| But yeah, I can see what it would look like if I more-closely followed the original sketch.
Well, here is the rough sketch of my Idea... I've had this in my head for a week now but was too busy to work on it.
Sorry for the dull lighting. Don't have photoshop to fix. Any critique/comments are welcome. So far, other than adding details to the armor/everything and increasing thorns size, I don't see what else I can do. So any help would be greatly appreciated.
For the background, I was just gonna do LA with ghosts flying about... but that termite is a long way from home in that case :P
Edit: Hmm, Now that I am looking at it here, the termite should move a little closer shouldn't he?
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Great progress everyone. And yay for Marsh and Penguin!!
@DBA - Hmm..I myself is struggling with backgrounds (and perspective!) but I dont see any problem with a darker background since Mad King's head is pretty much a light source in itself for the most part.
@EB - Hmm..yeah the 'termite' could come a little closer and when it comes to Mad King's left arm, I think it should be clinging to the woman's neck as well to reinforce the frightened gesture?
As for my Progress:
Roughly painted the background , polished the figures (still working on it). And Sura, the bear is not a teddy anymore
@Sentient: The lore on the wiki is official; it comes from the Halloween event quests from recent years.
@RavenHawk: Your piece is progressing nicely. The bear is very cute. I spy a few minor flaws, though: the biggest one is the witch hat on the girl in the upper left corner. The brim looks like it's turned up, but it should be flat: from that angle, it'd be little more than a line. The crown also looks a bit floppy; that might have been intentional, but if you were aiming for the more typical starchy look, it should follow the direction of her neck.
The smaller flaws are on Thorn: he doesn't look like he's pointing (his finger should be drawn as a blob, not a bent line), his necklace has skewed proportions because the teeth nearest the viewer are smaller than those further away, and his head still needs to be pushed to the right a bit.
@EtherealByte: My critique got a bit long, so here's a spoiler:
Cute idea! It really reminds me of Scooby Doo -- Scooby and Shaggy perform that pose in virtually every episode, so you might find it to be a useful reference. The main reason it looks like she's about to drop him is because he's letting himself hang from her arms, towards the termite, instead of tightly hugging her as though he was trying to get away from the termite.
And yeah, the termite needs to be closer. It's an important part of the picture, so it needs to be somewhere the eye will spot it quickly. I also recommend moving the Thorn and his servant into the centre of the page, instead of letting the woman's feet get cut off: again, they're an important part of the picture, so don't let them drift off the page.
For the background, just use Kamadan; it gets decorated during Halloween too.
Thorn looks okay; he could stand to be larger, but the most important thing is making his head bigger. The woman needs more work, though; her knees look like they're at different heights, her shoulders are lopsided, and her neck thickens towards the top instead of towards the bottom.
Finally, I recommend switching the speech bubbles. Western audiences automatically read left-to-right, so we see the "..." before the "TERMITE!!". If you were to change the woman's expression to something more along the lines of "¬_¬", then you could remove the "..." entirely.