Welcome everyone to the 2011 Wintersday Workshop! Credits for the idea for this workshop goes to our awesome and amazing Tzu (previous host) and, of course, the amazing Nolani Academy of Arts community!
*NEW-01/13/2012*Comprehensive announcements of winners will be here starting at 11:00AM PST on Sunday, January 15th Live announcements will be made during Wintersday Workshop party hosted by Arghore!
The Grand Goal of this Workshop is to encourage all participants to grow as an artist - whether that means you can make a grand masterpiece that rivals the greats or like to dabble in simple sketches! The purpose of this workshop is to encourage artists to put forth their best effort and to help these artists grow, irregardless of art skill level The Workshop has the additional goal of enhancing the feeling of community by providing a fun place where participants can learn how to give and receive constructive criticism. All participants are strongly supported and highly encouraged to submit their art into the official Guild Wars Wintersday Art Contest hosted by Arena Net, however we welcome all artists, irregardless whether you plan on submitting or not.
Please be aware that the nature of the Wintersday Artist Extraordinaire, The Best Progress, and The Smiley Face Awards means that those that are very last minute entries (i.e., day before deadline) will most likely not be considered since these awards are over a period of time during the workshop. However, all other categories do not have that restriction since we don't want to discourage those that discover the workshop close to the end from entering, sharing their pieces, and getting whatever feedback they can get to help them grow as an artist.
Awards and prizes are fluid and are subject to change depending on donations.
*Rough values for prize packages were calculated using argos/Kamadan trading trends mid-Nov and guru PC stickies. Ectos valued at 7.5k and armbraces at 23 ectos.
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☆Wintersday Artist Extraordinaire Award☆
This award is given to the artist who meets 3 criteries: was a nominee for the "People's Award", participated actively in this thread (both giving and receiving critique and generally being chatty), AND was a candidate for at least 1 of the other Wintersday Workshop awards.
Winner - Morag D
See this link for the comprehensive award list, prizes, and comments!
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☆Best Progress Awards☆
These awards are for the artists who have listened intently to critique, mastered the art of personal growth, and made long leaps to better his/her piece regardless of art skill level.
1st Place - Olrun the Blade
2nd Place - Rahtschini
3rd Place - Obastable
See this link for the comprehensive award list, prizes, and comments!
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☆The People's Award☆
Ha! You think voting is easy? Well, this award will be based on you - votes from all of the workshop participants so you can all share in the voting fun! Voting is limited to people who have posted in this thread prior to a week before the workshop deadline to make sure voting is fair (no getting friends to vote for your piece last minute :P ). Despite the 1 week rule, all workshop entries are eligible for this prize. Voting will not be open until the end of the workshop. Votes must be sent via PM to me, and I will keep your vote secret. Please don't vote for your own piece. Since you, the workshop participant, are the judge for this award, the workshop judges (aside from me) are also eligible for this award! So, vote for whoever you think wins this award - the one with your favorite art, the one with the most encouraging words, the one who's the friendliest to all, or whatever you want to vote on. This award is yours to give!
See this link if you're curious how voting was decided!
Winner - Death by an Arrow
Runner up - Kiya Koreena
See this link for the comprehensive award list, prizes, and comments!
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☆The Smiley Face Award☆
This award is given to a person who didn't necessarily enter the thread as an artist - more of a supporter of the thread and the goal. This person kept the thread alive with kind chatter, maybe donated something to the prizes, gave useful critique, submitted tutorials and ideas unselfishly, and generally kept us motivated all the way.
Winner - GeminiJuSa
Runner up - Arghore
See this link for the comprehensive award list, prizes, and comments!
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☆The Most Epic Award☆
This award goes to the artist who's piece stands out from the rest and make the judges do a double-take, whether that means zooming in on the art to see if they saw what they think they saw, rereading that lit piece that made them go 'say-wha?', or replaying the music/video that made them go 'zounds!'.
Winner - Steelborn
Runner up - Tee Wrex
See this link for the comprehensive award list, prizes, and comments!
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☆The Campfire Award☆
This award is given to the artist who manages to inspire the Judges and bring warmth and comfort within the cold, dark hearts of the Judges.
Winner - ` Marshmallow
Runner up - Doctor Overlord
See this link for the comprehensive award list, prizes, and comments!
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☆The Grentch Steals Wintersday Award☆
Bah humbug! Who needs Wintersday cheer anyway? The Grentch Steals Wintersday Award bows in favor of Grenth, not Dwayna!
Winner - Baktwerel
Runner up - Valdis the Unmaker
See this link for the comprehensive award list, prizes, and comments!
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☆The Bonus Awards☆
These awards go to those that were sooooo close in winning one of the following awards: Best Progress Award, The Smiley Face Award, The Most Epic Award, The Campfire Award, and The Grentch Steals Wintersday Award. The judges say you deserve an award so here you go!
Award 1 - Baddrizztfan
Award 2 - Sura
Award 3 - Afrodita
Award 4 - BlackXI
Award 5 - Ferocious Thanatos
Award 6 - Muzai
Award 7 - Iceblue
See this link for the comprehensive award list, prizes, and comments!
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☆The Mysterious Raffle☆
Ooh, mysterious! How do you enter? You'll just have to wait to find out! Details on this raffle and how to enter will be given 1 week before the end of the workshop!
See this link for the comprehensive award list, prizes, and comments!
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☆The Wintersday Spirit Award☆
This award is brought to you by Arghore!
Winner - (Kate)
Runner up - Djembe Kaki Lambe
See this link for the comprehensive award list, prizes, and comments!
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☆Real Life Guild Wars prize pool donated by Arena Net☆
There are 21 available prize packages available. Since these prizes will be awarded by picks and must be shipped from Arena Net to GW Guru to you, please be patient in receiving your real life prize
7 x Prize Package C: 1 Guild Wars Eye of the North game box
10 x Prize Package D: 1 Guild Wars 2 t-shirts, Guild Wars 2 postcard book
Legal Stuff (only applies to RL prizes!)
Eligibility:
* By entering the contest you agree to the terms and conditions.
* Winning contestant must be willing to submit: Full name, mailing address & phone number for prize shipment.
* Parent or guardian permission is required for entrants 16 or younger since we require your name and address.
* We reserve the right to publish your forum username at our discretion.
* We reserve the right to deny any submission to the contest.
Prizes:
* No cash or substitution or transfer of prize will be permitted.
* If an awardee declines or is found ineligible, the next awardee in line will have the option to exchange their prize if prizes have not been shipped.
* The decisions of the judges are final.
Winners:
* Contest Winners will be published on the GuildWarsGuru.com website and elsewhere at the sole discretion of the admin.
* We reserve the right to postpone or delay this contest for any reason including overwhelming response or unforeseen occurrences. If there is a delay we will extend the deadline for submissions.
Sponsor, in its sole discretion, may edit and modify any submission before posting. Each Sponsor and their respective parent companies, affiliates, subsidiaries, advertising, promotion and publicity agencies and all of their respective directors, officers, employees, agents, representatives, successors and assigns are not in any way responsible or liable for damages, loss or injury resulting from participation in this contest or acceptance, loss or use of any prizes awarded in this contest. You further agree that in any cause of action, Sponsor's liability will be limited to the cost of entering and participating in the contest, and in no event shall Sponsor be liable for attorney's fees. You waive the right to claim any damages whatsoever, including, but not limited to, punitive, consequential, direct, or indirect damages. You assume sole liability for injuries, including personal injuries and/or damage to property or prize, caused or claimed to be caused by participating in this contest or the acceptance, loss, shipment, or use of any prize awarded. Sponsor is not responsible for any failure to contact entrants, whether due to technical or human error. All of Sponsor's decisions regarding the application and interpretation of the rules are final. This contest is void where prohibited, restricted or taxed by law.
Workshop deadline is noon PST on Monday, Jan 2nd, 2012!
You may submit up two entries for the workshop, but you may only win one award.
To submit your entry into (or update your current entry in) the workshop, fill out this form and post it in the thread. All forms of art are welcome (e.g., crafts, illustrations, videos, music, literature, screenplays, photomanips, etc)!
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[u][b]☆Hey, Thistle! I want to participate in the workshop!☆[/b][/u]
[b]Name[/b]:
[b]Idea for entry[/b]:
[b]Art form type[/b]:
[b]Progress Gallery Link[/b]:
Please make sure you provide the Progress Gallery Link whenever it's ready! Your gallery will be used for judging so make sure you provide a link by the end of the workshop
Just by posting in the thread, you're considered a workshop participant (although please note the restriction if you're planning on voting for the "People's Award")!
If you want to judge, please let me know You can judge for a specific category if you want to still want to compete. Judging spots will close 1 week before workshop deadline. You must have a recommendation from a current judge.
If you want to donate, please let me know All donations are accepted!
Winners will be tentatively announced at the workshop party and in this thread 2 weeks after the deadline.
Entries into the workshop must be original and not something already used in a previous forum contest or being used in a concurrent forum contest unless significant changes are made.
If you're looking for a place to host your gallery, Sierraa has offered to help if you send her a PM Wordpress.com and Photobucket.com are two of my personal favorites.
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☆Participant Name - entry idea or title (type of art) - progress gallery link
☆Olrun The Blade - Steel Guild Wars Logo (traditional) - progress gallery
☆Qing Guang - Even a necromancer can get in the holiday spirit (Digital) - progress gallery
☆Rahtschini - A baby asura get a christmas gift and around her are another toys (digital art) - progress gallery
☆Sas Ultra - progress gallery for both entries
(1) The Strength of Snow quest (Crafts - clay/wire)
(2) Cartooned version of Entry 1 Sculptures (GIMP photomanip)
☆satomz - Miniturized Wintersday Gift (including plush Jingle Bear cub and mini tonic bottles) (Crafts, ranging from simple paper craft (box), resins (tonic bottles), poly clay, and sewing[/b]) - progress link
☆steelborn - Guildwars Christmas Carol (instrumental/interactive Flash-Animation) - progress gallery
☆Minami - Asuras decorating (Digital - 3D and digital drawing combined, most likely) - progress gallery
☆Konig Des Todes (aka Azazel the Accursed) - Sinterklaas the Norn (Literature, and possibly Traditional Art) - progress gallery
☆stoudaa - TBA (most likely digital painting, but i might do some video huzzah) - progress gallery
☆unraveled - Parody of 'Twas the Night Before Christmas (literature/Parody) - Progress Gallery TBA
☆Tommy - How the Grentches ruin Wintersday (Movie) - progress link TBA
☆Rends with Tongue - A Wintersday Conflict (Paper Art) - progress link TBA
☆Oh_Frustration - Koss holding a snowflake, looking puzzled (traditional) - progress link TBA
☆Miss Melady (aka Glyph Of Healing) - Will be Grenth and dwayna on other sides of presents with a snowball throwing pose and a reindeer and, polar bear as well as a wintersday moa will all be a part of it. Approx size will be around 10-12 feet tall by 10-18 feet wide (Snow Sculpture) - progress link TBA
☆Norrukki (aka Vanessa The Mesmer) - Mesmer in Elite Enchanter's (Fashion Design/Garment Creation) - progress link TBA
☆Kat (Aka The Legendary Kat) - TBA (drawing/painting) - progress link TBA
☆emesis - TBA (probably drawing) - progress link TBA
Helpers deserving a special thank you:
☆Satomz for advertising workshop on IncGamer
☆Sierra for advertising on dA and GWguru
☆Aeronwen for advertising on GW2guru and helping me with prizes
☆GeminiJuSa for creating a wonderful wiki page for the workshop
☆Brandylynn for advertising on BladeRadio.com and keeping our the workshop wiki up-to-date
☆Arghore for sending in an article advertisement to GuildMag and radio advert to Gw-en.com
Donators:
☆Anet (will be held by GW Guru <3)
3 x EL Reindeer Tonics
1 x Prize Package A: 1 Charr plushie, 1 Guild Wars 2 artbook (signed!), 1 Guild Wars Mouse
3 x Prize Package B: 1 Guild Wars 2 Artbook (signed!), 1 Guild Wars Mouse
7 x Prize Package C: 1 Guild Wars Eye of the North game box
10 x Prize Package D: 1 Guild Wars 2 t-shirts, Guild Wars 2 postcard book
☆Halloween Workshop Prize Pool extras (collected by Verene, held by Thistle)
300e
7 armbraces
250 Candy Corn
EL Hayda Tonic
Mini Candysmith Marley
Saurian Scythe
Miniature Aatxe (2)
Miniature Jade Armor
Miniature Mandragor Imp (3)
Miniature Heket Warrior
Miniature Wind Rider
Miniature Juggernaut (2)
☆Aeronwen: 100k, 100 Glacial Stones, 20 Z Keys, Elite Tome Set, 10 consets, 10 powerstones of courage (traded and held by Thistle)
☆Enchanted Krystal: 100k, EL Skeletonics (2), EL Morgahn Tonic, EL Dunkoro Tonic (traded and held by Thistle)
☆Konig Des Todes: Miniature Dryder, Miniature Kirin, 1 kournan coin, 1 ministerial commendation, 1 trade contract, 1 lunar token, 4 x stygian gemstones, 4 x torment gemstones, light equipment pack, 4 gold zcoins (traded and held by Thistle)
☆Lord Dagon: super donation! (traded and held by Thistle)
uber tonic collection
- EL melonni
- EL Goren
- EL Hayda
- EL Sousuke
- EL Jin
- EL Dunkoro
- EL Kahmu
- EL Livia
- EL Margrid
- EL Morgahn
- EL Norgu
- EL Olias
- EL Tahlkora
- EL Xandra
- EL Zenmai
- EL Anton
- EL Jora
- EL Koss
- EL MoW
- EL MOX
- EL Ogden
- EL Queen Salma
- EL Razah
- EL Zhed
- EL Gwen
- EL Kieran
- EL Rurik
- EL Shiro
- EL Automatonic
- EL Boreal
- EL Macabre
- EL Cottontail
- EL Avatar of Balth
- EL Knight
☆Murke: mini wind rider, mini wallow, mini devourer, mini aaxte, mini turtle, 2 x mini jade armor (traded and held by Thistle)
☆Valdis: 20 ectos (traded and held by Thistle)
☆Val Karye: 25k, 50 mes tomes, 10 ele tomes, 25 celestial stones, 1 elite war tome, 1 elite monk tome, mini forest minotaur, 250 glacial stones, 2 torment gemstones, 1 stygian gemstone, 15 mysterious tonics (traded and held by Thistle)
☆Siraena Vairidean: 39k (traded and held by Thistle)
☆Darcy: 50k, 5 Black Dyes, 5 White Dyes, Mindclouder, 100 Glacial Stones (traded and held by Thistle)
☆Pink Day Queen: 16 crates of fireworks, 150 party points, 65 tonics, 50 sugar points, 20 alcohol, 250 ToT bags, Stack of bones, Stack of Chitin, 40 Mesmer tomes, Elite Para Tome, 2 diamonds (traded and held by Arghore <3)
☆Sasultra: Dragon gauntlet crafting mat set (10k, 250 scales, 50 deldrimor steel ingots, 5 monstrous fangs, 5 monstrous eyes), r9 tactics Iridescent Aegis with "Like a Rolling Stone", 1 complete elite tome set, 10 x bottle rockets, 5 crates of fireworks (traded and held by Thistle) & 3 in-a-row HM Cof Runs with all Sasultras's drops being given to awardee
☆Tzu: 500 ectos, 12 copper Z coins, 1 green rock candy, 4 creme brulees (traded and held by Thistle)
☆Obastable: 1x Elite monk tome, 1x Elite warrior tome, 1x trade contract, 32x ministerial commendations, 2x mesmer tomes, 10x mysterious tonics, 69x green rock candies, 31x automaton summoning stones, 1x EL xandra tonic, 1x ruby, 1x sapphire, 23 ectos (traded and held by Thistle)
☆Cosyfiep: 1 mini celestial rabbit, 250 mysterious summoning stones, 250 trick or treat bags, 250 wintersday gifts (traded and held by Thistle)
☆Verene (aka Lady V): 200 ectos (traded and held by Thistle)
☆Morvydd: assorted goodies (traded and held by Thistle)
100 sparklers
106 crates of firework
35 mysterious tonics
50 transmogrifier tonics
2 unseen tonics
2 Automatonics
250 wintergreen candy canes
5 green rock candies
10 red rock candies
140 bottle rockets
112 squash serums
56 ghost-in-the-boxes
110 champagne poppers
3 disco balls
10 sinister Automatonics
10 Automaton Summoning Stones
20 cottontail tonics
mini hydra
mini juggernaut
mini harpy ranger
Sundering elemental sword of fortitude with "Strength and Honor" (r10)
Sundering elemental sword of fortitude with "Strength and Honor" (r9)
fiery blade axe of fortitude with with "Strength and Honor" (r9)
icy blade axe of fortitude with "strength and honor" (r11)
mini celestial rabbit
iridescent aegis of fortitude with "riders on the storm" (r9 mot)
saurian scythe of fortitude with "strength and honor" (r10)
☆` Marshmallow: 300k (traded and held by Thistle)
☆AryaBladedancer : 100k, 50 lockpicks
☆Iceblue : miscellaneous additions to current unallocated stacks, 10 salvage kits, 25 royal gifts, and 1 oppressor weapon of the winner's choice
☆Death By An Arrow: q9 ghostly staff
Need some inspiration? Don't know where to start? Take a look at past Guild Wars Wintersday Art Contest winners and check out some tutorials to help you get started!
The Wintersday Workshop Party is hosted by Arghore! Thank you for your hard work, Arghore!
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Hello everybody interested in the Wintersday Workshop Party, the information for the party is FINAL.
Wintersday Workshop Party
Date: Sunday 15th of Januari
Time: 18:00h GMT - 23:59h GMT (6pm gmt - 11:59pm gmt) announcements of Workshop Winners starts around 19:00h gmt
Location: The Frost Gate (mission outpost), International District 1
As far as activities and refreshments go you need not to worry, this is not a 'bring your own booze' party. There will be 'on air' music and trivia provided by gw-en.com radio. We have confirmation that Elfs and Snowmen will come to our party to supply everybody with drinks & entertainment (amoungst which an 'in district' wintersday trivia), and even Santa has promised to pay us a visit ^^ ... but be alarmed! ... The chance that Grentchies will show up and try to ruin our party is pretty much a given! We managed to capture a couple during wintersday and 'extracted' this information ... We can assure you though that no charr plushies were hurt during the interrogation process, we merely used their cuddliness to break the Grentchies ... So if you see any Grentch appear in district grab them and hold them upside down and give them a good shake, anything they 'stole' belongs to the honest person that 'found' it thus be adviced not to show up in a grentchie disguise, or you may have a lot of explaining to do!
As far as give away prizes go, I seem to have most of it sorted out, what i could do with is a bunch of ecto's (20 +/-) to drop over some of the activities (though any donations are welcome as 'we' can fit them in somewhere). To give everybody an idea of what can be won during this party:
- 1 oppressor weapon of the winner's choice (donated by Iceblue), will be handed out 'on air' to give everybody a chance of winning it.
- 1 'old skool' ghostly staff (donated by Death by an Arrow), will be handed out 'on air' to give everybody a chance of winning it.
- Workshop donation 'left overs', a wild assortment of items donated to the workshop that didn't find a place in the actual prizes for the workshop. But don't be fooled by the mental image of 'left overs' "Those that don't value the small, aren't worth the large" and "Some of the best things come in small packages"
- *wintersday surprize*, roughly amounting to 1.800.000 gold in value (actual value may change based upon market fluctuations), being handed out in various games, activities and as refreshments. A huge chunk outof "Arghore's party Warchest", and i don't like spoiling what can be won, join in on the various activities and find out
*!* above Not including anything Santa may bring along and the stuff that the Gaming World Entertainment Network (www.gw-en.com) will hand out during their 'on air' trivia *!* ... a big tnx in advance for their donations to the workshop party!
** Side note **: If during the party it turns out the interest is so large that a 2nd district opens, we will try and do what is needed to supply both districts with activities based upon how crowded it gets. Prizes won in the 'on air' trivia will either be delivered to D2 or can be claimed after the party, the announcements of the workshop winners will also be repeated 'on air', so if you get stuck in D2 you wont have to miss much ... and in the odd occation that a 3rd district opens, we will try and do the same, we will spread thin but we rely on your understanding to make the event as enjoyable as possible for all that wish to attend.
This thread is still under development! Please feel free to post your thoughts on the workshop Awards and prizes are fluid and are subject to change depending on donations.
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Reason: yay! I can edit again!
of course, Aero <3 yay judging buddy and thanks for the donation
Gemini, I like that idea! I'll have to remember to put that option on the judging sheet if anyone wants to be quoted with what they thought about the winners
EDIT: Note that I'll fill in the prizes for the awards in a few days to give some time for those wanting to donate to let me know Also will need to do some price checking on non-ecto/money/armbrace donations so the prizes aren't too uneven XD
Last edited by Thistle Xandra; Nov 13, 2011 at 10:44 PM // 22:44..
I would like to suggest closing the workshop for entry 2 or 3 weeks b4 the official ANet contest ... why? ... to stimulate people to participate in teh workshop, and to prevent people from sending in their art at the last moment to widen their chance on winning something ... not accusing anyone, but i personally think the workshop is about participating and showing your progress... not sending in something at the end and putting up some scetches with it ... it's about participating in a manner that everyone can learn (also from other peoples mistakes and successes), not so much about winning something in the end ... closing for entry some time b4 the official contest hopefully reduces people hopping on at the last moment, and stimulates people participating in the actual workshop
Thus i don't mean the deadline for sending in your final piece, but actually entering the workshop and posting your progress ... Wonder how others feel about this !
Arghore, since you mentioned this during the party, I had thought about it and thought it was a very good point Although I didn't want to put a hard deadline, I did mention that the first three awards are based on participation throughout the workshop so that those putting in last minute entries will basically be out of the running for those three. Plus, I hope everyone will take what you said into consideration for the People's Award
However, the more I thought about it, I realized I didn't want to discourage people from not submitting their art if they didn't learn about the workshop until later so I didn't put that deadline on the other awards
I greatly dislike the idea of closing it for entries that far ahead of when the official contest ends, myself. Not only is that not fair on those who find out about the workshop late, but how early someone submits an entry idea and how much they actually participate doesn't necessarily line up or correlate in any way.
I could consider a deadline for entry about 1 or 2 weeks before, but 3 or 4 are just enough. In one week you can - in theory - create two well worked on and receive good critique and have time to edit it. It does depend on the amount of time the artist have to spend and how active people are in the thread.
What we can do though, is try and market the workshop, by let's say try and get it on the front page of guru, make a wiki page and put it out on DA. If you want to you could even spread the word to your allies and see if you have a fellow artist in there that had no idea about this.
Limiting the awards one can be alleged for if one enters late is a good idea too. Or so I think. But it is a bit sad to have to put on limitations. Restrictions are artistic killing.
Gemini, Nice idea about advertising! Are you still a contributor on the guru dA page? Would you mind putting a blog entry or announcement on there linking here? Otherwise, I can go poke Sierra and see if she wouldn't mind
Arghore, continuing with Gemini's advertising idea, can you please do something in GuildMag or coordinate with Dutch to see if he would be up to making a blog post about it?
I have no idea on how to even start editing a wiki page, but if anyone wants to make one for the workshop and link it here, that would be great
Also, I don't really visit other GW fan sites, but if anyone has a favorite site and wants to take lead on making posts on other sites to link here (GW2 guru comes to mind for example), that would be great, too
Thanks in advance for your help, everyone I can't wait to see what we can come up with this Wintersday!
Since I couldn't participate enough in the Halloween Contest, I'm hoping to be able to check in more often this time around.
I'm still thinking of submitting craft work and I'm hoping I'll be able to send it in to the official contest. And if I can spare some time, I'll try to get something music related in as well for the fun. I'm thinking flute trio/quartet, as I don't have access to piano, don't have embouchure trained for piccolo, and as a hind-thought my singing level was mediocre.
I'll go make post in FA forum in IncGamers too before I forget... again /facepalm. I just keep forgetting about these things.
@Konig: eek, don't worry! Lit is more than allowed and super welcomed! I didn't make a separate category so that lit can compete in all categories and not just its own (I always thought the lit category was a double-edged sword, because you're guaranteed to win something but you're also guaranteed to not win one of the bigger awards since there are so few final entries.) Thanks for the donations, too
@Enchanted Krystal: Thank you for your donation <3
@satomz: ooh, yay craftwork! The official contest seems to love craftwork so I hope to see yours here in the workshop and on the official winners page! Thanks for posting in IncGamers Much appreciated!
I'll have stuff to donate as well, I just need to sort out my own storage and figure out exactly what I have once I have all of the Halloween stuff out