Curse

Kiwi · Mar 21, 2005, 11:43 PM // 23:43

They were 1-6 this BWE, now they're in 4th place on Ladder and K I N is 1st.

The Fianna's current scores are: 33-8

Whosa Skylore · Mar 22, 2005, 12:29 AM // 00:29

idont think itswhat happend to the fianna its wheredid the other guilds come from and who the h#ll are the other guilds? K I N ihavenever heard of or even seen on the ladder, and positive zero, (a rip from negative zero

duh) i havent heard of ether, and negative zero i have heard of for a long time. i think the fianna is doing fine, but the others are just doing better

Kiwi · Mar 22, 2005, 12:38 AM // 00:38

Ya...but someday I'll make a guild called Kiwi Lords and we rule this... Tyria.

BlackArrow · Mar 22, 2005, 12:38 AM // 00:38

After slaughtering us in GvG KIN said they were KOR. I'm not sure if they were joking or just saying they were Korean or if they actually are members of KOR, but they were good. We never got past the flag stand in that battle.

Kiwi · Mar 22, 2005, 12:40 AM // 00:40

If anyone here is in KIN say "I" then you have to tell us all your secrets to sucess!

Spooky · Mar 22, 2005, 12:58 AM // 00:58

Positive Zero is Negative Zero. And as is my understanding, the Fianna just didn't GvG much this weekend, because there aren't many Guilds within range of them on the ladder. One or two people from their Guild show up here every now and then, maybe they'll elucidate.

Kiwi · Mar 22, 2005, 01:00 AM // 01:00

Does anyone know someone from Fianna, then please ask em. I wanna know exactly what happened.

Aria · Mar 22, 2005, 06:12 AM // 06:12

I know it's bad manners to link to other forums, but it's much easier than having me paraphrase this entire thread.

Ok, fine, I'm lazy.

Here's a pretty detailed discussion on this topic. Basically, if you're too lazy to click the link, some alphas from the top guilds decided to form new guilds because they're sick of waiting hours for the game to find them other guilds to fight in GvG. So.. yes, KIN is KOR, and p0 and n0 are the same (taken from word around the streets), etc. According to that thread, the only non-alpha guild in the top 10 rankings is IVEX. Congrats to IVEX members, if any of you are reading.

Soiled Egg Roll · Mar 22, 2005, 11:29 PM // 23:29

Thanks

PaulOtt · Mar 23, 2005, 08:37 PM // 20:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiwi

They were 1-6 this BWE, now they're in 4th place on Ladder and K I N is 1st.

The Fianna's current scores are: 33-8

The people we fought played their builds better than us.

Thus, we lost.

Bobangry · Mar 23, 2005, 09:15 PM // 21:15

Quote:

Here's According to that thread, the only non-alpha guild in the top 10 rankings is IVEX. Congrats to IVEX members, if any of you are reading.

Are you kidding? This forum is my home!

Thanks Aria!

I can fully understand people creating two guilds; games take forever to find. Hopefully Anet will address the issue, or at the least read that thread Aria posted.

Sausaletus Rex · Mar 23, 2005, 09:23 PM // 21:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulOtt

The people we fought played their builds better than us.

Thus, we lost.

Nah, I hear Fianna have started playing with this total scrub named PaulOtt. His intense aura of suckiness has pervaded their whole guild at this point. A real shame... :P

worthless · Mar 23, 2005, 09:30 PM // 21:30

well im sure once the games realeased there will be plenty of guilds out there to fight, i mean right now i dont gvg cause im still exploring the game once the games released and im done exploring ill start using my newly found skills and knowledge of the game to try it against other people

PaulOtt · Mar 24, 2005, 01:24 AM // 01:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sausaletus Rex

Nah, I hear Fianna have started playing with this total scrub named PaulOtt. His intense aura of suckiness has pervaded their whole guild at this point. A real shame... :P

Damn. That is a shame. I know I'd hate to be stuck playing with that guy. I hear he's an uber n00b.

Quote:

Originally Posted by worthless

well im sure once the games realeased there will be plenty of guilds out there to fight, i mean right now i dont gvg cause im still exploring the game once the games released and im done exploring ill start using my newly found skills and knowledge of the game to try it against other people

Nah, there will always be some guilds at the very top and very bottom that can't get games. Check out K I N. That guild can only fight the n0/p0 guys and us. Anet really needs to fix the current matching system.

TheRealDecoy · Mar 24, 2005, 08:01 AM // 08:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulOtt

Anet really needs to fix the current matching system.

What is there to fix? Should they let top-level teams just roll over the lower ranked ones that are searching for a game? The problem doesn't lie in the matching system. The problem lies in the fact that there are several obscenely good guilds and tons of mediocre guilds.

PaulOtt · Mar 24, 2005, 08:18 AM // 08:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheRealDecoy

What is there to fix? Should they let top-level teams just roll over the lower ranked ones that are searching for a game? The problem doesn't lie in the matching system. The problem lies in the fact that there are several obscenely good guilds and tons of mediocre guilds.

This isn't only a problem with GW, but with ladders like this in general. About the best solution I've heard is that as time passes, the range increases. Guilds that only want to play others of a similiar rank can reset the timer and start over, everyone else that just want to play can sit back and wait as their range of potential competitors grows. That way nobody is forced to fight people far out of their skill level if they don't want (far below or far above), but people who are tired of Tombs and just want to play can let the timer go.

Ensign · Mar 24, 2005, 08:40 AM // 08:40

It's pretty straightforward - the Fianna had a really sketchy build and didn't play well - so they got smashed. They were better than most of the teams I played this weekend, but they had absolutely no business hanging out with guilds on the front page this weekend.

I really don't know the details of their build, beyond that their Monks were incredibly soft and didn't put up much of a fight, and they seemed to have problems punching through defenses. I just remember the Monks trying to Healing Touch each other, laughing, and smashing face.

Peace,
-CxE

Ellestar · Mar 24, 2005, 03:17 PM // 15:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulOtt

Nah, there will always be some guilds at the very top and very bottom that can't get games. Check out K I N. That guild can only fight the n0/p0 guys and us. Anet really needs to fix the current matching system.

Probably guilds should be allowed to fight another guilds that are 40 places above or below them no matter what's the score difference. Maybe this number should be tweaked after a release so to make it better (say, there are 3 major timezones - USA, Euro and Asia so actually it's less than 40 guilds that may be available for a competition at a given time anyway).

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheRealDecoy

What is there to fix? Should they let top-level teams just roll over the lower ranked ones that are searching for a game? The problem doesn't lie in the matching system. The problem lies in the fact that there are several obscenely good guilds and tons of mediocre guilds.

Correction: there are several alpha-testers PvP guilds that have enormous advantage, there are several good guilds and tons of mediocre guilds.

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Besides, that's why good players in other games generally don't waste time trying to get 1st places in a ladder and play on a tournaments instead.
Also, they use training accounts to check new strategies etc.

arealous · Mar 28, 2005, 02:47 AM // 02:47

Thanks Aria.