Curse

Porkchop Sandwhiches · Jul 01, 2005, 06:59 PM // 18:59

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Originally Posted by TheBigStunna

Hetros Vs Homos.

The world isn't black and white like that, my friend

Principa Discordia · Jul 01, 2005, 07:01 PM // 19:01

I, like Serafita Kayin, am watching this thread like an eagle. Keep it civil or we will be forced to destroy you. *Evil laugh.*

Eclair · Jul 01, 2005, 07:03 PM // 19:03

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Originally Posted by Dreamsmith

By the way, does anyone find it odd that you no longer need your father's permission to marry, but you do require approval from your Uncle Sam?

The whole idea that marriages have to be licenced rather than simply registered... talk about obnoxious government intrusion into people's personal lives...

You get a lot of government benefits if you're legally married, so of course the government would want to regulate it.

However, it is of my opinion that marriage and civil union should be separate. Marriage would be based on whatever laws/customs your religion/culture dictates, and you can apply for a civil union from the government separately. You'd get the government benefits from the civil union instead of the current marriage system, and marriage can retain its different forms and custom based on cultural and religious differences.

Dreamsmith · Jul 01, 2005, 07:18 PM // 19:18

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Originally Posted by TheBigStunna

Why should we let homosexuals have sex?

Because we have no right to stop consenting adults from doing whatever they wish, as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others?

You're asking precisely the wrong question in a country supposely dedicated to the ideal of Liberty. The government should be absolutely, positively prevented from stopping any action without very good reason.

The question is never "Why should we allow X?" Leave that kind of question to the totalitarian dictators of the world. The question is always "Why should we not allow X?", and unless an iron-clad reason can be provided, then by default, we should allow X, whatever it is. You never need a reason to allow something in a free country, but you require a damn good reason to disallow it. In a free country, the burden of proof is always on those who wish to disallow, never on those who wish to allow. The idea is to promote liberty, not restrict it, unless absolutely necessary.

Now, if only I could find a free country...

SMO · Jul 01, 2005, 07:22 PM // 19:22

Ya know, after reading some of these posts...I really have to hand it to ya'll. Most have presented their opinion is a well documented way. I do hope that this thread does not get locked from flame wars of who is right and who is wrong because the issue of gay marriage will not be settled on GWGuru.

I live in Oklahoma and as you may know, is the buckle of the bible belt. In the most recent elections, there was a State Amendment bill placed before the people to pass gay marriage. The bill failed miserably and Im sure most of you can understand why.

I did not lobby for/against this bill but I told many people one thing...."About 30 years ago, interracial marriages were against the law"

Times have changed and nost people accept the fact that people of different races can love each other enough to get married. of course, there are the numbers that disagree with that as well.

Maybe in 30 years the US will be accepting of gay marriages. We shall see.

Mistress Eyahl · Jul 01, 2005, 07:26 PM // 19:26

I love threads like these. It lifts the veil on many people

Everyone is entitled to personal opinion and I think it is wrong to try and change that opinion (unless they're blatently wrong like.. "I don't like that cos it's green".. but it's not actually green..)
But people shouldn't think that others who don't share their views are wrong, so I hope no-one in this thread wastes their time telling other people that they're stupid just because they disagree with you. Unless of course it's pretty obvious they are narrow minded and don't intend on broadening their horizons

*Crys over her locked thread like a Forum wussie*
Hey, Jasper.. you got a little cartoon to go with that one? Post it here if you do, ta

gogoblender · Jul 01, 2005, 07:35 PM // 19:35

Good post SMO

And an astute point you make about how issues like this are reflections of contemporary interests and values.

It's how good we get to be at dealing with change and it's impact in our lives that is the real challenge here.

Shiva's path is taut with dangers at every turn...for our families and for our friends.

And it will be the state of how we emerge from these debates with tommorrow's brave new world that will give us the dignity we need to find compassion for others as the mark of a great person.

gogo

stumpy · Jul 01, 2005, 07:35 PM // 19:35

Canada has also passed it in their legislation this week. The House of Commons has voted I believe on Monday. I think its good, doesn't help me much (hetero sexual with twins on the way), but at least now gay marriages are not a in the closet type issue here.

Cheers!

Pevil Lihatuh · Jul 01, 2005, 07:40 PM // 19:40

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Originally Posted by TheBigStunna

WWhy should we let homosexuals have sex? They want their own schools soon it will be they want their own religion, own country own world.

It will be a civil war II involving this time Hetros Vs Homos.

now i'm not picking on you here or anything, but that statement makes it sound as though you hate gays. In which case surely it's good if they get their own world? (in your opinion IF this is the case)

Why would they though? The point of letting them marry is so they can live like any couple that love each other. As far as I'm aware, marriage was originally meant to be the ultimate bond for a loving couple. By getting married you declare that you truly love each other and no one else. Now I know and you know that this isn't always true these days. But it still remains true, marriage is seen as the bond between two who love. Now just because they are the same sex, why can't they show this love for each other like we do? They're not hurting anyone, they're not forcing you to go to their marriage and they certainly aren't forcing you to watch them have sex.

We're all equal. Love thy neighbour. Forgive others. Pretty much fundamental statements in many religions. And yet no one can do this. I'm also amazed by the two-facededness (yes i made that up

) of many people. Without getting into lurid details, the majority of men would love to watch two women together (and i know some women like to watch two men) and yet if then asked if those two women could marry, they would be mortified at the idea.

Strangely enough, Wife Swap US was on the other day here in england. And it was a lesbian that was swapping with a "traditional christian republican wife" (her words) and basically when they had the little chat at the table later on, she told the lesbian that she was uncomfortable with the idea she had been round her children after finding out about her sexuality because she was probably a sexual predator. That's a horrible thing to say to someone you never met before simply because of their preference.

Personally I hate thinking of ever having sex with someone of my gender, because it's just not my preference, but whats wrong with marriage? So they give each other a ring and swear their love. Big deal.

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Originally Posted by CMO

...."About 30 years ago, interracial marriages were against the law"

Yep, I was gonna say the same thing. This woman on wife swap, she was a black woman, with a white husband, and three children. Back in the 60's no way would her marriage have been allowed, she wouldn't have been allowed into half the places in town, looking at a white man would probably have gotten her lynched and even if she'd had these children, they would probably also have been killed for being mixed race, to use the polite term.

Sure there are more important things in the world right now (like Iraq and the whole war) but that doesn't mean things like this aren't important. Most people don't really care whats going on over the sea, but something that could affect their chance for happiness IS important.

Lampshade · Jul 01, 2005, 07:41 PM // 19:41

I dont really care what happens.
If they want to get married let them.

TheBigStunna · Jul 01, 2005, 07:43 PM // 19:43

Gay marriage now promotes that being a homosexual is right now. When it was kept in the closet is was seemed to be wrong, now that its getting more attention as being the right thing to do were the hell will this lead in the next 10 - 20 years?

Principa Discordia · Jul 01, 2005, 07:43 PM // 19:43

It doesn't really promote it as being "right", per-sé. It promotes it as being acceptable.

They are worlds apart.

TheBigStunna · Jul 01, 2005, 07:45 PM // 19:45

Being acceptable means its now OK to be homosexual meaning less and less people who want to try being a homosexual will now have the OK to do it. Its not being seemed as an embarrasing thing to do any more. I mean for gods sake they have their own tv shows and own schools. What would happened if we made a hetrosexual only schooL?

Garric · Jul 01, 2005, 07:51 PM // 19:51

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Originally Posted by TheBigStunna

Being acceptable means its now OK to be homosexual meaning less and less people who want to try being a homosexual will now have the OK to do it. Its not being seemed as an embarrasing thing to do any more. I mean for gods sake they have their own tv shows and own schools. What would happened if we made a hetrosexual only schooL?

I've never heard of a homosexual school.

And everyone has their own TV show. Almost all shows are heterosexual and a few shows like "queer eye" are homosexual shows. I don't see your point?

TheBigStunna · Jul 01, 2005, 07:52 PM // 19:52

In new york they started a homosexual only highschool.

Principa Discordia · Jul 01, 2005, 07:54 PM // 19:54

I'm pretty sure that school was put there for teens who feel unsafe in public schools, or accepting parents who worry about their teen's safety in high school. People have been killed for being gay in recent times, it doesn't surprise me that people are affraid of this sort of thing.

TheBigStunna · Jul 01, 2005, 07:56 PM // 19:56

Then lets start a all nerd highschool or a all fat kid highschool or a all pot head highschool or a all black highschool , all jew highschool all white highschool.

Homosexaul highschool not only promotes the right for homosexaulity but its also promoting segrigation.

Dreamsmith · Jul 01, 2005, 07:57 PM // 19:57

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Originally Posted by TheBigStunna

Gay marriage now promotes that being a homosexual is right now. When it was kept in the closet is was seemed to be wrong, now that its getting more attention as being the right thing to do were the hell will this lead in the next 10 - 20 years?

Hopefully to an America that actually lives up to the principle of Liberty, hard as that can be sometimes, rather than just giving lip-service to the idea of Freedom. Freedom isn't always easy. It means respecting the rights of others to make decisions you do not agree with. Defending Freedom means fighting for the right of others to do those things you would not yourself do. You don't have to agree with what they do, but you should agree that they have the right to do it, and that the government doesn't have the right to stop them without proving how their actions harm others.

Passing bills now banning gay marriage promotes that the government has the right to run your personal life and deny you your liberty without just cause. It's a strong blow against the basis for our country, against the ideals our forefathers fought and died for. Where is that going to lead?

Principa Discordia · Jul 01, 2005, 07:57 PM // 19:57

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Originally Posted by TheBigStunna

Homosexaul highschool not only promotes the right for homosexaulity but its also promoting segrigation.

Segregation I am against, but as I said, it's more than likely there for their own safety.

TheBigStunna · Jul 01, 2005, 08:00 PM // 20:00

Personnally on my views against homosexuality i think its a disease in the brain that tells that person they like the opposite sex. Its been proven since are most infant stages that we take a liking to the oposite sex. Scientist are trying to proove that true homosexuals have a genetic defect.

Now the homosexuals that go out their way just to like the opposite sex for no reason iam against.