Curse

Avari Zi · Oct 26, 2005, 05:36 PM // 17:36

I'm Bi-Sexual, I like other women and men that count?

(dead-serious)

Sol_Vie · Oct 26, 2005, 05:39 PM // 17:39

While I agree that using the term "gay" can be rude and there are certainly better choices of wording, I don't think it's feasible to censor the use of it, other than adding it to the list of words censored with "GO REDENGINE" and all that. Even then though, it isn't really applicable or on the same level.

If people are offended by the use of it, then the least you can do is to try to use something else. Excerise your brain, try using different vocabulary from middle schoolers.

On the other hand, the use of the term 'gay' in any context shouldn't really be taken as horribly offensive. I mean, if they're using it to degrade something, then they just couldn't think of anything better to use- whether because of laziness or ineptitude. If they were using it to attack a person who is gay, then they are obviously ignoramuses.

In reference to the homosexuality being a born or conditioned, there are actually good arguments on both sides. Also, I'm not so sure the argument is that it's a 'gene' that seems to 'cause' homosexuality. I think it's one's upbringing. I know that's the way it is with pedophiliacs, serial killers, etc. (And actually, there is proof to a gene that predisposes someone to violence).

In one of my psych classes last year a classmate suggested in a project that homosexuality was in many senses a fad. The 'cool thing to do', despite the persecution. He brought up a lot of good points.

Anyway, I think it'd be best if some people were more sensitive to others, while others learned to let things roll off their back, rather than taking it in the gut.

smurfhunter · Oct 26, 2005, 05:43 PM // 17:43

just to put this in context, this post was probably started because i created the "SUPER gay mesmer build v4" post up in the campfire or something.

personally, i could care less if someone finds it offensive. tissue?

get a sense of humor. relax.

oh and i just wanted to add my opinion on homosexuality/___ - i dont care what you do at home. really. dont. care. go have sex with your dog for all i care. as long as it stays between you and whatever else you do it with, good. once it turns into a sort of 'distinction' like race, i start to care. its like dividing all the people who go to mcdonalds from all the people who go to burger king and giving them separate 'rights'

LeftAlone- · Oct 26, 2005, 05:43 PM // 17:43

Pfft.. And now Avari too..

Okay.. I give up..
I've always been a straight.. I guess... Anyway... Lately I've felt a strong feeling of femininity rise in me.. and day by day I just feel more like a Bi.. An interest in 'exploring' with other men is rising in me... Never done it.. not even been close.. but.. Meh.. Its has actually been bugging me for quite a while.. Never really got around to accepting it... but... Now I kinda do.. and feel more comfortable with the though...

wsmcasey · Oct 26, 2005, 05:47 PM // 17:47

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Originally Posted by Tzhebee

Well, I was perfectly happy keeping my mouth shut until I saw this post.

First of all...homosexuals do not have a choice anymore than a black man being black! It's not like you wake up one day and think to yourself "Hmmm, I'd really like to sleep with other people of my same sex so that I can be ridiculed by the general public, never be able to get married, not be able to adopt, etc, etc." No, gay people are BORN gay, like blacks are born black.

Now, if you walked up to a person and said "are you gay" that's fine...but when you use the term "gay" as derogitory, which is what the OP was talking about, then your meaning of the term becomes offensive. You are correct about context...but a phrase like "dude that is soooo gay" is just rude. It's not cool. It's not funny. It's just as cruel and inappropriate as n*gger. (which, BTW, I agree that a n*gger is not necessarily a black person, but rather a piece of trash of any skin tone)

As far as the mesmer thing goes...give a guy a mask, tights and have him riverdance does not indicate that he's gay...in fact, he's probably a heterosexual man who is secure enough in his masculenity to not give a flying f*ck what closed minded bigots think. Then again, he may be a flaming homosexual who enjoys prancing about in tights. But that doesn't make the derogitory use of the term "gay" acceptable.

Oh...and this is just my opinion.

Okay, here's another opinion for you. Gay sex is a perverse unnatural act. The dictionary defines perversion as "a sexual practice or act considered abnormal or deviant". A D*ck in a mans *ss is pretty damn abnormal if you ask me! Being black is not perverse or unnatural in any way. Don't give me that crap about not having a choice over their sexual orientation. You could get drunk one night and bring down your inhibitions enough to have sex with a man or a woman. I have nothing against gay men or women (*huggs zhely), but I would be against a gay man coming on to me (which has happened, even when they knew I was straight). I've never seen a black man try to make a white man black. If I have offended anyone thats gay, I'm truely sorry, but you can't compare yourself to a different race.

Omega Complex · Oct 26, 2005, 05:59 PM // 17:59

Heres my quick input. I am a gay male, and unless "gay" is used in a profoundly derragatory sense then I see no problem with it. Same with the hate words of any culture, race, sex, creedo, religion or otherwise. I am recently out of the closet so I have a unique perspective on this. Bigots will be bigots, that is a fact of life. You will run into people like that and they will hate you and you will move on. Now, It's the people that go off seeking a GLBT male or female to attack that i have a severe distaste for.

As for being born gay or whatever, I have known I was gay since I was 9 (im currently 20). There is no explanation I can give that will make anyone understand (unless you are gay, lesbian, or bi) how this works. In short form, you are what you are. It is no fault of parents, teachers, or anything you did (although there are extreme circumstances that can warrant somone becoming gay or lesbian) to make you gay. It is purely who you are and who you will become. Just like there is no gene for personality (in most normal cases), there is no gene for being gay. Does that mean that your born without a personality? Most parents I know will argue that that is absolutely false. Newborns have a personality that is influenced by their upbringing, their own choices, ect..

I was raised in a very religious household, with a very loving family. Does this, according to those above, mean that I was taught to be gay or that my family raised me to be gay?? No. I simply developed into the person I am today, just like everyone of you out there. Point two: Were you taught to be straight? Did somone have to come over and slap your hand and say no, you dont like boys, you like those girls over there.

Thats my 2 cents (well, more like 4). If you dont like it, deal with it.

Xue Yi Liang · Oct 26, 2005, 06:05 PM // 18:05

Omega Complex, how do you feel about the use of "gay" such as threads casually entitled "the super gay mesmer build v.5" (posted in The Campfire)?

BTW I'm glad you're comfortable with your identity. I know it was difficult for some of my friends when they came out of the closet - but they were better and stronger for it.

kg_lildude1 · Oct 26, 2005, 06:10 PM // 18:10

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Originally Posted by Count Feanor

I'm sure if you can post your opinion, that you'll allow me to post mine. You are not "born" homosexual as someone is "born" black. There is no "gay gene" to speak of. If you wish to argue this point, I'd like to see all the valid research "proving" it. All the research I've seen is less than convincing. If someone has a "gene" to be gay, does someone have a "gene" to be a pedifile? I think not. Opinion stated."

scientists don't prove anything to be right, they prove things can't be done, which in turn give us the right answers,

think about it like this

i say that there is an invisble dragon hovering over your shoulder that controls your thoughts
A. you can't feel it,
B. you can't see it,
C. you can't hear it,

you can say it's not there, but that can't prove that its not, you would have to find a way to prove that the dragon does not exist in order to be right, but if there is no way to prove it wrong, does that mean that it isn't there? no, it could be there

there is currently nothing proving that there is NO gay gene, so do not say that a person is born gay without a choice, without proving that such a gene doesn't exist, because if you try to prove it doesn't and your wrong, then such a gene exists, if your right, then it doesn't exist. THAT is how scientists "prove" things.

Omega Complex · Oct 26, 2005, 06:12 PM // 18:12

I think its a bit abrasive. However, I firmly believe in free speech. All things considered I would prefer it not be used in that sense. You could just have easily said "the dumbest mesmer build ever" or the ever popular "this mesmer build is teh suxorz!!!!11!.

So yes Xue, I prefer it not be used like that, and I know exactly where you are coming from. However if somone is using it to refer to me as in saying im gay, that doesn't bother me at all. And all please note, that these are personal opinions, and do not reflect any "majority" opinion of the GLBT community.

Savio · Oct 26, 2005, 06:13 PM // 18:13

This was a very serious topic, and I am disappointed in some of you. Just because this is the Offtopic forum does not mean you can spam up every single thread. Warnings will be issued.

It's beyond my reach to do anything about this thread; you'll have to contact one of the mods in charge of that board.

As a warning: using "gay" as an insult on these forums will be grounds for deletions, warnings, and possibly bans. It would be categorized as inclusive of flaming and offensive language.

Sir Skullcrasher · Oct 26, 2005, 06:20 PM // 18:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avari Zi

I'm Bi-Sexual, I like other women and men that count?

(dead-serious)

Avari.. that just make my day!

LeftAlone- · Oct 26, 2005, 06:21 PM // 18:21

^^ Its a cute thing to know... I just revealed my darkest inner to a Bi female friend I know on msn.. going through an interesting conversation..

Im amazed by the ammount of people on this forum who are so open to this, and are 'it'.

Avari Zi · Oct 26, 2005, 06:26 PM // 18:26

This is what I really dislike about society, that people have to be afraid of revealing their sexual preference and ultimately keeping their love a secret, that's something, in my opinion, no one should have to do. Like my math teacher has a daughter that wanted a mohawk and then decided she didn't want one being afraid what other kids might think. Sad, even at that young age people conform to what others think is "proper" or "cool".

MSecorsky · Oct 26, 2005, 06:27 PM // 18:27

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Originally Posted by Count Feanor

I'm sure if you can post your opinion, that you'll allow me to post mine.
You are not "born" homosexual as someone is "born" black. There is no "gay gene" to speak of. If you wish to argue this point, I'd like to see all the valid research "proving" it. All the research I've seen is less than convincing. If someone has a "gene" to be gay, does someone have a "gene" to be a pedifile? I think not. Opinion stated.

Actually, it's not linked to a particular gene, but to an excess of testosterone in the womb. Oddly, this works to make both males and females homosexual. That being said, it's a permanent part of the individual and who they are.

Savio · Oct 26, 2005, 06:28 PM // 18:28

As another note, this thread is turning into a somewhat healthy discussion, so it can stay open for now.

MSecorsky · Oct 26, 2005, 06:29 PM // 18:29

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Originally Posted by wsmcasey

Okay, here's another opinion for you. Gay sex is a perverse unnatural act.

Unnatural? As in not found in nature? By multiple definitions, you're wrong.

LeftAlone- · Oct 26, 2005, 06:32 PM // 18:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avari Zi

This is what I really dislike about society, that people have to be afraid of revealing their sexual preference and ultimately keeping their love a secret, that's something, in my opinion, no one should have to do. Like my math teacher has a daughter that wanted a mohawk and then decided she didn't want one being afraid what other kids might think. Sad, even at that young age people conform to what others think is "proper" or "cool".

So very true...
I kinda want people to know my case.. but I can already imagine the reactions of the majority..

I myself havent really though of being with a man all that much.. Like.. Uh.. How do I explain this... When I start thinking of it.. it feels wrong.. but then I realise it only feels wrong becaus of the fact that I keep remembering what other people mite think.. Still its really weird.. Im very new to this feeling, and dont really know how to cope with it yet..
All I know for sure is that I kinda dislike gay males who act like a woman.. thats just pushing it over the top for me.. but thats fine.. People are what they are.. Also I dislike very manly men..
I myself dont really show that part of me onto the outside.. but often when Im with a girl, I start acting weird.. I actually feel like a female at times... but act like a man.. except that most people note me as very sensitive and open on experssing feelings..
Meh.. I just managed to confuce myself completely..

So Avari.. is that special loved one of yours a female? Just a curious question

Xue Yi Liang · Oct 26, 2005, 06:33 PM // 18:33

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

Unnatural? As in not found in nature? By multiple definitions, you're wrong.

Agreed.
Applying the standard of "unnatural" is a dangerous thing.

People used to call interracial marriage unnatural.

Omega Complex · Oct 26, 2005, 06:33 PM // 18:33

^^ I say this with the utmost understanding, you just have to give it time. Trust me.

darnet Xue, this post is for the one above it.

Count Feanor · Oct 26, 2005, 06:36 PM // 18:36

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Originally Posted by kg_lildude1

scientists don't prove anything to be right, they prove things can't be done, which in turn give us the right answers,

think about it like this

i say that there is an invisble dragon hovering over your shoulder that controls your thoughts
A. you can't feel it,
B. you can't see it,
C. you can't hear it,

you can say it's not there, but that can't prove that its not, you would have to find a way to prove that the dragon does not exist in order to be right, but if there is no way to prove it wrong, does that mean that it isn't there? no, it could be there

there is currently nothing proving that there is NO gay gene, so do not say that a person is born gay without a choice, without proving that such a gene doesn't exist, because if you try to prove it doesn't and your wrong, then such a gene exists, if your right, then it doesn't exist. THAT is how scientists "prove" things.

Ok, let me use a better word to clarify what I was trying to say by "prove". If you wish to continue argue that there is a "gay gene" then "convince" me using valid, accurate evidence that there is one. I have seen none so far that do.