Curse

Alex Morningstar · Feb 11, 2008, 01:53 AM // 01:53

Broken two party system for the lose. The republicans are a bunch of near-sighted ignorant zealots and the democrats are a bunch of two-faced idealistic pussies.

Next party please, these two are getting old.

Terraban · Feb 11, 2008, 02:20 AM // 02:20

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Originally Posted by Alex Morningstar

Broken two party system for the lose. The republicans are a bunch of near-sighted ignorant zealots and the democrats are a bunch of two-faced idealistic pussies.

Next party please, these two are getting old.

Ralph Nader...

Or Mickey Mouse

anotherfallingstar · Feb 11, 2008, 02:54 AM // 02:54

After watching Zeitgeist and doing some research I have lost all faith in our goverment. I think a monkey could do a better job running our country.

MMSDome · Feb 11, 2008, 04:25 AM // 04:25

well my boy Romney dropped out so ill probably vote for Hillary to show the country that the 4 years while that twit is president America will behell and they will be dying for a republican in 2012!

ADDED: Alex Morningstar I dont think I detected any prejudiced in your post at all! I guess classifying that the majority of the country is pretty much a bunch of RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOtards is pretty accurate M I RITE M I???

lakatz · Feb 11, 2008, 04:40 AM // 04:40

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Originally Posted by Winterclaw

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Originally Posted by ensoriki
You know back in my day... when we didn't like how something was going.
We took over the government.

Sometimes I really think the US is edging closer to that point.

LMAO... you crack me up you lil idealist you...

You really do need to get yourself informed.

LOL - The US isn't edging toward overthrowing governments. The US is notorious for overthrowing governments. The US created the Hussein regime by overthrowing the Qassem regime and putting the Ba'ath party in place. They started trying in 1959... used Hussein on a six-man assassination team... and finally suceeded in 1963. There was a lot of killing and torture involved... by the CIA.

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security...sseinindex.htm

And let us not forget the attempted overthrow of the very first democratic government in Iran in 1953 by the US and Britain... the CIA's Operation Ajax.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/st...021997,00.html

And, although you won't find a lot of people admitting it, the CIA orchestrated the assassination of Patrice Lumumba, the first elected prime minister in 1960 of the newly liberated Belgian Congo, and was instrumental in putting the murderous Mobutu in his place effectively ending a short lived democracy and starting a reign of terror in that country.

http://www.wausfpp.org/aa_congozaire.html

And that's just for starters. The US isn't edging toward overthrowing governments... the US has been there, done that and has a huge collection of t-shirts from the regimes they've overthrown.

RPGmaniac · Feb 11, 2008, 04:58 AM // 04:58

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Originally Posted by lakatz

LMAO... you crack me up you lil idealist you...

You really do need to get yourself informed.

LOL - The US isn't edging toward overthrowing governments. The US is notorious for overthrowing governments. The US created the Hussein regime by overthrowing the Qassem regime and putting the Ba'ath party in place. They started trying in 1959... used Hussein on a six-man assassination team... and finally suceeded in 1963. There was a lot of killing and torture involved... by the CIA.

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security...sseinindex.htm

And let us not forget the attempted overthrow of the very first democratic government in Iran in 1953 by the US and Britain... the CIA's Operation Ajax.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/st...021997,00.html

And, although you won't find a lot of people admitting it, the CIA orchestrated the assassination of Patrice Lumumba, the first elected prime minister in 1960 of the newly liberated Belgian Congo, and was instrumental in putting the murderous Mobutu in his place effectively ending a short lived democracy and starting a reign of terror in that country.

http://www.wausfpp.org/aa_congozaire.html

And that's just for starters. The US isn't edging toward overthrowing governments... the US has been there, done that and has a huge collection of t-shirts from the regimes they've overthrown.

I believe they were talking about just overthrowing our own governemnt, not somebody else's (a la Civil War). Although I give you an A for effort in supporting your arguement

lakatz · Feb 11, 2008, 05:57 AM // 05:57

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Originally Posted by RPGmaniac

I believe they were talking about just overthrowing our own governemnt, not somebody else's (a la Civil War). Although I give you an A for effort in supporting your arguement

Oh... I see... Well if you consider that 12 million Democrats came out to vote on Super Tuesday compared to 8 million Republicans, then yeah... maybe there is a strong surge toward 'revolution' and the end of an era of complacency. Time will tell.

I still think he's naive talking about giving Iraq a chance at democracy when, in fact, the US has destroyed more democracies than it's 'nurtured.' Bush doesn't really want democracy in Iraq. Iraq is sitting on top of the second largest oil reserve in the world. I mean... hello... this is NOT rocket science. It's real easy logic. Just like Presidents before him, including Eisenhower and Kennedy, he wants a government that'll play ball. He just went after it like a bull in a China shop.

Btw, I usually support my argument. Check my previous posts. I always try to think about what I'm saying and what's being said to me.

RPGmaniac · Feb 11, 2008, 06:16 AM // 06:16

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Originally Posted by lakatz

Btw, I usually support my argument. Check my previous posts. I always try to think about what I'm saying and what's being said to me.

Hehe, I typically don't cite my sources (bad bad me). But when I did in that school tuition thread, it got closed before I could post. I had some interesting stuff too. This'll be my last post here sice I don't have much of a capacity for politics, especially at this level.

lakatz · Feb 11, 2008, 06:51 AM // 06:51

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Originally Posted by RPGmaniac

Hehe, I typically don't cite my sources (bad bad me). But when I did in that school tuition thread, it got closed before I could post. I had some interesting stuff too. This'll be my last post here sice I don't have much of a capacity for politics, especially at this level.

Well those weren't really my original sources, but because it's indisputable fact it's easy to find all sorts of sources to support it. I've known this stuff since soon after Bush started his rush-to-war dog and pony show. I did a lot of research... because my mother taught me to never take a politician at his word. And I discovered by learning the US history in Iraq just what Bush's true motives were as opposed to what he fed the public and what so much of the public bought into.

Also reading and watching the news and hearing George Tenet and Colin Powell say there was no evidence of WMD... and then to my shock, changing their story to say "Oh uh yeah... I guess there is," was a huge motivator to get to the truth. So I did.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/blument...9/06/bush_wmd/ (I hope you can read this one. It's on Salon.com and you usually have to be a subscriber to read their articles. If it doesn't load initially, try going in through your Yahoo account.)

The way I find these sources, btw, is to input what I know about the situation into the google search window, and Voila. In this case, I input "George Tenet no evidence of WMD Iraq." I was just lucky the article included the about-face by Colin Powell as well.

PS... If you start another thread about school tuition, would you mind terribly letting me know? I'd love to read it. Thanks!

RPGmaniac · Feb 11, 2008, 07:12 AM // 07:12

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Originally Posted by lakatz

PS... If you start another thread about school tuition, would you mind terribly letting me know? I'd love to read it. Thanks!

It wasn't my thread. Someone was complaining about how high college tuition is and was tying it to the government controlling us. I was gonna quote some stuff disproving a portion of what he was saying. If you wanna read it, here it is

Oh, and I always hear from my dad about how the CIA has done the stuff you've mentioned. I believe it but I wasn't as shocked as he thought I would be when he first told me about it. I was just like "ok, I could see why they would do that" when I guess he thought I would say something like "ZOMG, no way! They're our government, they wouldn't do anything like that. America is all good"

guess i lied about saying this would be the last time I posted, eh?

**cosyfiep** · Feb 11, 2008, 07:35 AM // 07:35

dont worry we wont hold you to your word either.

yeah if you go deep enough into politics you would get soo mad that you would go postal....or leave the country. (or be ashamed to be from the USA)...

ah well...they say we can voice our opinions when we vote, and that one vote does count......

wetsparks · Feb 11, 2008, 07:34 PM // 19:34

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/11/us...repubs.html?hp
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i...I1gMgD8UO9J280
It would seem that Obama is pulling away a little bit.

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Obama also won in Louisiana, Nebraska and Washington state on Saturday.

And the first link says McCain pulled away with wins on the coast but lost in the middle states.

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Mr. McCain, who won enough delegates in the coast-to-coast nominating contests on Tuesday to place him mathematically beyond the reach of his Republican rivals, suffered embarrassing losses in the Louisiana primary and the Kansas caucuses on Saturday to former Gov. Mike Huckabee of Arkansas.

maraxusofk · Feb 12, 2008, 06:37 AM // 06:37

the way i see it, as long as theres no potential draft i coudlnt really care that much. this si wut seperates the iraq war and the vietnam war. both were pointless, but this one doesnt have the massive outcry b/c those most vocal (the young) arent in danger of having to fight something they dont wanna.

on a side note, most young ppl are supporting barack obama cuz 1) hes black, young and stands for change and many conservatives like him b/c 2) hes moderate but conservative enough to support finishing the job in iraq.

Lord Sojar · Feb 13, 2008, 02:37 AM // 02:37

Obama is a highly intelligent, well rounded candidate. He has my vote. I do fear for his safety however (assassination attempt) because of his color.

Stupid white power bastards who still have some notion that black people are evil or lesser.

maraxusofk · Feb 13, 2008, 04:04 AM // 04:04

pft dont know why anyone would hate on obama. he graduated top of two ivy leagues (columbia and harvard law) so anyone who thinks he is inferior is clearly a moron. i personally think he is too idealistic to the point of almsot being naive but he is better than the other candidates so its all good.