Curse

blurmedia · Apr 20, 2008, 04:26 PM // 16:26

Browsing Guru for 8 hours before I can go home.

~ Dan ~ · Apr 20, 2008, 05:02 PM // 17:02

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Originally Posted by Onarik Amrak

Maybe you need a new English teacher.

I lol'ed.

I've had bad teachers in that, they just didn't teach us much. But i can't see how teachers being "nasty" is a problem. Get your head down, do the work and don't be an idiot, and there will be no issues.

I have to say that teachers in sixth form (and from what i've heard from mates - in uni/college also) are much better. They almost, if you like, "treat you as a friend". I know that sounds weird, but there's no strictness, because at that age you shouldn't be pratting around anyway. Things are more relaxed and comfortable, which i think is a better environment to work in.

I pwnd U · Apr 20, 2008, 05:04 PM // 17:04

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Originally Posted by milkflopance

Tyla's location says Manchester, England though. America's system is very different.

At a college in the UK, you *will* get taught there and the standard is generally better than that of public schools, as the staff are *usually* experts in their field.

As poobert said, a lot of information being taught in schools these days is outdated or just plain wrong. Take the false tongue map for example, it's been proven to be wrong, but is still printed in almost every school textbook.

In that case I speak for America.

Because here college teachers are bad.

milkflopance · Apr 20, 2008, 05:09 PM // 17:09

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Originally Posted by Divinitys Creature

My big warning is don't expect a degree to put you on easy street - a huge fraction of the graduate population struggle to get by and even pay their loans back. Talk to as many people as you can who are in the working world before investing your time and energy in college. Don't just listen to the hype that you will earn x amount for y degree. Talk to people who dropped out of college and talk to people who weren't successful to get perspective. And have backup plans for when you fail. Going back to your mother's place is not a great backup plan.

I'll say it again, Tyla's location says Manchester, England

Over here you can go to college when you're 16 to do A-levels, and you'll do a degree at 18+ in University. The education is free up until Uni or a certain age though (either 18 or 19), so there's no need to worry about loans just yet.

October Jade · Apr 20, 2008, 05:24 PM // 17:24

The U.S. has better universities than every other nation in the world. Arrogant? Maybe...but it's true. There is a reason that the greatest minds around the globe come here to learn.

Our secondary systems are troubled, yes, but it is by no means an across-the-board state of peril. I went to public schools and had a great preparatory experience. Problematic school districts are most often reflections of larger poverty and social issues that vary greatly with geography.

Fril Estelin · Apr 20, 2008, 05:27 PM // 17:27

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Originally Posted by October Jade

The U.S. has better universities than every other nation in the world. Arrogant? Maybe...but it's true. There is a reason that the greatest minds around the globe come here to learn.

May be they come to learn arrogance?

Tyla · Apr 20, 2008, 05:33 PM // 17:33

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

I've had bad teachers in that, they just didn't teach us much. But i can't see how teachers being "nasty" is a problem. Get your head down, do the work and don't be an idiot, and there will be no issues.

You don't know him like I do.

He argues with the majority of the class and blames it on the other people.

Heck, giving me all level 3's while I got full marks on a test is bad enough, but he tells me that I'm a smart pupil mid-class.
Even the headteacher is a *insert nasty word* and even my mum says so, and that's saying something...

You should see some of the things that've happened to me, although people can say right now -- Screenshot or it didn't happen

Celestial_Kitsune · Apr 20, 2008, 05:44 PM // 17:44

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Originally Posted by October Jade

The U.S. has better universities than every other nation in the world. Arrogant? Maybe...but it's true. There is a reason that the greatest minds around the globe come here to learn.

It is essential to establish a criteria what constitutes "good" and "better" before making any claims.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College...rsity_rankings

The reason greatest minds come the the US is quite simple - money and better environment. Thus one of the reasons some US universities might be better than others is because they draw some of the best minds from around the world, not because the US system is superior to others.

Dev121 · Apr 20, 2008, 07:06 PM // 19:06

Cant pay of your loan? Fake your death. Win Win.

Diddy bow · Apr 20, 2008, 07:16 PM // 19:16

I think the teachers are fine, its the course thats a mess. I dont fell like i learned much in 6 years of high school

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Dante the Warlord · Apr 20, 2008, 08:53 PM // 20:53

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Originally Posted by Divinitys Creature

My big warning is don't expect a degree to put you on easy street - a huge fraction of the graduate population struggle to get by and even pay their loans back.

Are you suggesting that a degree is not beneficial at all? If anything you NEED a high degree in order to get a decent job in today's world. Yes, costs are high to get an education, but then again you won't be getting a good job either with people with say i don't know.... actual developed skills from college? Unless you want to be a farmer or athlete, in which there are millions of people that you would be competing against, there is no way that you can get even an entry level job without a degree. Any degree at all, even its just an associates, is better then nothing since you will look better then those people without a degree. I would suggest a masters degree in most fields. You should however start working after your bachelors degree, in order to start paying off loans and collect money for your master's degree.

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Originally Posted by Divinitys Creature

Talk to as many people as you can who are in the working world before investing your time and energy in college. Don't just listen to the hype that you will earn x amount for y degree. Talk to people who dropped out of college and talk to people who weren't successful to get perspective. And have backup plans for when you fail. Going back to your mother's place is not a great backup plan.

Now this part i do agree with, yea a lot of people brag about how successful they were, but you could end up completely differently. Its better to just learn from the mistakes of others, if they are willing to admit and explain their mistakes. Unfortunately no one is going to say "O im really unsuccessful, let me tell you my life story so you can laugh and do the opposite".

~ Dan ~ · Apr 20, 2008, 09:52 PM // 21:52

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Originally Posted by October Jade

The U.S. has better universities than every other nation in the world. Arrogant? Maybe...but it's true. There is a reason that the greatest minds around the globe come here to learn.

There's little more to say other than: typical american.

Winterclaw · Apr 20, 2008, 10:13 PM // 22:13

No, a typical american would know our educational system sucks from top to bottom.

October Jade · Apr 21, 2008, 12:19 AM // 00:19

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

There's little more to say other than: typical american.

I can misuse colons and capitalization: Too.

Redfeather1975 · Apr 21, 2008, 04:10 AM // 04:10

I'm not from the States, but it might be possible that the spectrum of educational quality in the U.S. is incredibly broad. In both good and bad directions.

azzer20 · Apr 21, 2008, 04:30 AM // 04:30

danish teachers are pretty bad until you start "college" then they get horrible.

seriously everytime i started an education (4 times now) i've been smarter than the teacher.....

But education is important.

Redfeather1975 · Apr 21, 2008, 04:40 AM // 04:40

Bah, that stinks Azzer.

I'm actually a highschool dropout. Dumb as a post I be.

azzer20 · Apr 21, 2008, 04:56 AM // 04:56

well, you'r posts don't show that you'r not intelligent in any way, so, yeah.

But, 5th time is is the lucky time right? starting education this summer, Accountant, the teacher should have more brains than me, hopefully :P

Fril Estelin · Apr 21, 2008, 07:30 AM // 07:30

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Originally Posted by October Jade

I can misuse colons and capitalization: Too.

You'd make a very bad teacher

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Originally Posted by Winterclaw

No, a typical american would know our educational system sucks from top to bottom.

Actually, from what I've been reading, it seems that the highest tier of the american education system is improving significantly the situation of the people able to afford the very high fees, while the lowest tier gets more and more into problems, and the middle tier is slowly going down. I can see the same situation in the UK, where the 4 top universities are extremely successful (part of the world top100 with 2 in top10) while others struggle to survive, thus leaving local communities in trouble and forcing people to study far away from home (not necessarily a bad thing, but it costs a lot). I remember a student who created a fake eBay auction for his university to show his discontent at the university having to close some departments who were not profitable.

There's a huge difference with the French system where education is almost free, and the average Joe in France is more knowledgeable (I didn't say smarter or intelligent) than its american or British equivalent. Though it's changing, I feel that it's the only way to effectively educate, without the artificial barriers introduced by money. And like me, many people have been able to move up in the "social ladder" in France, while it's more difficult in the USA or UK (but still possible).

Anyway, many people are right in pointing to the lack of inspiration of modern teachers. Their job is becoming a business, with targets, profit and expansion as main goals, instead of helping pupils and students to get a good start in life. We're all grateful they taught us to read, speak and think (and type

) but it's a brave new world out there...

Mr. G · Apr 21, 2008, 02:17 PM // 14:17

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Anyway, many people are right in pointing to the lack of inspiration of modern teachers. Their job is becoming a business, with targets, profit and expansion as main goals, instead of helping pupils and students to get a good start in life. We're all grateful they taught us to read, speak and think (and type ) but it's a brave new world out there...

I saw a documentry, (cant remember the name) about this sort of thing - it was really a list of "facts" about students

The fact that in the average american lecture, the lecturer cant name 1/3 of his/her students

The students can spend over $200 on books they'll never open

The only person you can turn to for help is the person next to you, and if they cant help your screwed

(btw I dont use "american" in a disrespectful tone, but it was a study of american education)

This reminds me of when I finished my first assignment for uni, all ecept one person failed it...not missed by 1%, but downright, Grade U failed

It turned out the criteria wasnt stated in the assaignment brief

The lecturer blamed us for well...for want of a better term "being stupid", although he wrote the breif

It turns out a certain % have to pass, so he randomly upped marks..

I mean...seriously...

I found the teachers in my earlier years to be much better, willing to help you struggle through if you get stuck - Caring ear and all that

the attitude seems to be now im "all grown up" that I shouldnt get stuck, thing is im also not studying my time tables......The most help I can often expect is for them to extend the deadline a day or 2, but doesnt help me if I truly dont get what im doing...

The whole system has sort of left me disheartened..

nyway...'nuff rambling