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DreamRunner · Jun 17, 2008, 08:20 AM // 08:20

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Originally Posted by bhavv

No you cant dip****.

That is what turns you into a retard that will likely end up as one of these people that sell drugs on the interwebz.

Just because YOU can do it doesnt make it cool, safe, and ok for others to do.

Dont advise other people on taking illegal drugs, or any drugs for that matter unless you have a pharmacy degree.

To the OP, go and ask a pharmacist, not a forum full of retards.

Anyone that even mentions illegal substances should be insta banned IMO. This isnt a forum to discuss your cool, childish, illegal, antisocial tendancies.

Yes, taking drugs to have a good time makes you Antisocial if you cant enjoy the company of others without doing drugs. These kind of people are the lowest form of low in todays society, well, maybe just a bit higher then murderers and terrorists (lol pun).

Oh, and if you still want to discuss drugs on the interwebz, do it here:

http://www.drugs-forum.co.uk/forum/index.php?

Yes you can. Weed is very safe. You can smoke weed and drink alcohol. Although, instead of resorting to name calling, lets see that all the people who have taken alcohol and 'E' at all the raves. Oh wait, they're still live. Have you been to a rave? its doubtful from what you are saying.

I find it very funny on what you are trying to say, especially about things you have no idea about. First of all, people don't do drugs to be anti-social. I find it hard to see how it is relevance on the topic. But, people take drugs majority at social events, actually, many people do drugs at social events. E is the party drug and that you want to ban people who mention illegal drugs, especially lets say... weed. Weed is a safe drug, actually no one has died directly from it.

This isn't about being 'cool' or anti social. Its clear that you've taken such a hard stance on it for whatever reason, but I don't chuck my values down people's throats like you. I enjoyed taking some drugs, I liked them and enjoyed them.

DreamRunner · Jun 17, 2008, 08:52 AM // 08:52

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Its posts like these that piss me off. People actually advising on what drugs to try and calling them fun. If you need drugs for fun, get help instead. I dont know anyone that has tried E, maybe I live in a different world to you, or maybe just in a better society.

So you are saying some drugs aren't fun? Have you drank any alcohol? But first of all, I didn't say I take drugs alone and secondly drugs are fun. Its an experience and I find it amusing that someone is trying to tell me otherwise who has never taken a single substance in his or her life. I should get help when I haven't closed my mind to the world around us, and you thinking I am advertise drugs. What the hell is that? But instead lets generalize me into other propaganda you have probably been listening too.
I enjoyed taking it at a few events and enjoyed the events as a whole and so what? Since you are very anti-drugs, did you know that weed is still legal in some parts of the world. And also that 'illegal drugs' have helped people medically.

I am glad my society doesn't have pricks like you around. Heaven forbid people who think 'they're right' and don't open their mind to others, but then again people who can't just doesn't fit well into any society.

Tender Care · Jun 17, 2008, 09:17 AM // 09:17

I did not take asprin with alchool, but i did it with coke and the result: high feber for a week and a stomache ache i thought i was going to give birth to Alien...

I was ate a pizza after a football match and drunk coke, then i was feeling bad and had a temperature so i took an asprin but i had drunk coke before, so the mix was deadly......

PPL: DO NOT TAKE AN ASPRIN WITH COKE....YOU WILL TRY OUT THE HELL IN YOUR STOMACHE!!!!

Etta · Jun 17, 2008, 09:37 AM // 09:37

Asprin or Aspirin? Um.......

Anyway I take a couple of aspirin follow by a pint of caring among other drinks last saturday night. Didn't do me any harm, bad freaking hang over though.

bhavv · Jun 17, 2008, 12:25 PM // 12:25

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

So you are saying some drugs aren't fun? Have you drank any alcohol? But first of all, I didn't say I take drugs alone and secondly drugs are fun. Its an experience and I find it amusing that someone is trying to tell me otherwise who has never taken a single substance in his or her life. I should get help when I haven't closed my mind to the world around us, and you thinking I am advertise drugs. What the hell is that? But instead lets generalize me into other propaganda you have probably been listening too.
I enjoyed taking it at a few events and enjoyed the events as a whole and so what? Since you are very anti-drugs, did you know that weed is still legal in some parts of the world. And also that 'illegal drugs' have helped people medically.

I am glad my society doesn't have pricks like you around. Heaven forbid people who think 'they're right' and don't open their mind to others, but then again people who can't just doesn't fit well into any society.

The MAIN problem with Class A drugs is ADDICTION, not that they are unsafe.

http://www.thegooddrugsguide.com/ecstasy/addiction.htm

Many people that try drugs unfortuanately end up addicted to them.

Oh, and I have tried alcohol, and doesnt really make things any more fun then without it.

Breaking the law by taking any illegal drugs is never right, regardless of your personal opinions, and neither are addictive substances.

Ciggerettes and Alcohol are only available due to them being 'traditional' drugs that have been widely used for generations, and also because of how much money the government makes from taxes on them.

I dont listen to propaganda, drug related deaths and addiction are real problems that I would advise people from avioding, rather then taking them just to be cool. I also wonder what propaganda makes you think that there is nothing wrong with drugs. Just because you take them, doesnt make it safe for other people to do it as well.

Weed has only been TRIALED as a medicinal drug, and it was found to be no more effective then medicines that are already being used. I wrote an essay on it during my Biology degree thanks, it is pretty much useless as a medicinal drug.

Oh, and prolonged weed useage does cause Schizophrenia, it isnt actually safe to use it for a long period of time.

http://www.schizophrenia.com/prevent...reetdrugs.html

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Those who were heavy consumers of cannabis at age 18 were over 600% more likely to be diagnosed with schizophrenia over the next 15 years than those did not take it. (see diagram below). Experts estimate that between 8% and 13% of all schizophrenia cases are linked to marijuna / cannabis use during teen years.

So yes, Cannabis really can turn you into a Dope XD. It isnt name calling, it is fact.

DreamRunner · Jun 17, 2008, 04:08 PM // 16:08

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Originally Posted by bhavv

The MAIN problem with Class A drugs is ADDICTION, not that they are unsafe.

http://www.thegooddrugsguide.com/ecstasy/addiction.htm

Many people that try drugs unfortuanately end up addicted to them.

Oh, and I have tried alcohol, and doesnt really make things any more fun then without it.

Breaking the law by taking any illegal drugs is never right, regardless of your personal opinions, and neither are addictive substances.

Ciggerettes and Alcohol are only available due to them being 'traditional' drugs that have been widely used for generations, and also because of how much money the government makes from taxes on them.

I dont listen to propaganda, drug related deaths and addiction are real problems that I would advise people from avioding, rather then taking them just to be cool. I also wonder what propaganda makes you think that there is nothing wrong with drugs. Just because you take them, doesnt make it safe for other people to do it as well.

Weed has only been TRIALED as a medicinal drug, and it was found to be no more effective then medicines that are already being used. I wrote an essay on it during my Biology degree thanks, it is pretty much useless as a medicinal drug.

Oh, and prolonged weed useage does cause Schizophrenia, it isnt actually safe to use it for a long period of time.

http://www.schizophrenia.com/prevent...reetdrugs.html

So yes, Cannabis really can turn you into a Dope XD. It isnt name calling, it is fact.

Addiction? Haha. Oh man. Doing to much of anything can be bad. Just look at gaming and the effects of it in Asia. I've tried drugs, and I am not addicted to them. Many people I know who has tried drugs, isn't addicted to them, but what you saying is that many people who tried alcohol must also be addictive. Since that is your reasoning.

Alcohol is a social drink. To me anyway, and people have it for the taste, enjoyment and other reasons as well. Wine for example is known for its social company as a beverage for dinner or lunch.

The law actually changes. Just because its the 'law' doesn't mean its always right and since alcohol seems to be the 'in', it is also can be addictive. Alcohol abuse is bad but heaven forbid taking an illegal drug because it also can be abused.

People have been using or taking week since the dawn of time. Societies have used week MUCH BEFORE alcohol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_(drug)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ek2Sf4bUfY

But before I go on. Stop with 'being cool' part of drugs. People take drugs to enjoy them. Drugs abuse is a problem, yes I agree. But god damn, rather than bulldozing the whole idea of drugs is bad; why not get some information about drugs from drug users and even find it about it yourself. Try it. I take the opinion that drugs isn't always bad because I took some drugs myself. I guess self realization of what drugs is and can do with some effects are sometimes better explored yourself. But since you like to get a bias opinion rather than trying it out yourself, I guess you're stuck in taking on people's other opinions.

I wasn't just saying weed. More of another drug.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dextroamphetamine

From the same site of the good drugs guide which you actually provided and I quote "There is a lot of misinformation presented about cannabis and schizophrenia. There is general agreement that heavy cannabis use can precipate schizophrenic episodes in those with the disorder but there is no evidence that it can cause the underlying psychotic disorder. Heavy cannabis users can exhibit long-lasting toxic psychosis involving delusions and hallucinations that can be incorrectly and dangerously - diagnosed as a schizophrenic illness."

http://www.druginfo.adf.org.au/artic...ismentalhealth

Does cannabis cause schizophrenia?

It has been suggested that heavy cannabis use can cause mental illness such as schizophrenia, but despite significant increases in cannabis use in Australia during the past 30 years, levels of schizophrenia in the population have not increased.

Malice Black · Jun 17, 2008, 04:31 PM // 16:31

I done my fair share of drugs back in my late teens, early twenties. It was fun while it lasted, but I grew out of the whole club scene. I still go once in a while, but I generally try to do something more productive these days.

bhavv · Jun 18, 2008, 02:51 PM // 14:51

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

But god damn, rather than bulldozing the whole idea of drugs is bad; why not get some information about drugs from drug users and even find it about it yourself. Try it.

I will base my opinions on drugs from the scientists that spend their time, energy and abilities researching them and their effects. I'm sure that some random drug user passed out in the middle of the street is really going to be able to give me great advice on taking drugs, NOT.

How about getting some information about murder from people that have killed others and trying it ourselves? They might say there is nothing wrong with it and it is fun, so I guess that is ok to break the law and go around killing people then? So we can have some fun? lol @ your logic, it is failsauce.

Song for you little kids out there that dont believe drugs are bad that you might listen to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHpK-ejSfBo

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Im lyin here on the floor where you left me
I think I took too much
Im crying here, what have you done?
I thought it would be fun

I cant stay on your life support, theres a
Shortage in the switch,
I cant stay on your morphine, cuz its making me
Itch
I said I tried to call the nurse again but shes
Being a little bitch,
I think Ill get outta here, where I can

Run just as fast as I can
To the middle of nowhere
To the middle of my frustrated fears
And I swear youre just like a pill
Instead of makin me better, you keep makin me
Ill
You keep makin me ill

I havent moved from the spot where you left me
This must be a bad trip
All of the other pills, they were different
Maybe I should get some help

Pink >>> You. She did drugs. She said they were bad and she didnt like them. Why go through the same mistakes yourself when people have already been through them and are saying themselves that they are bad?

and we have all seen what a total F*cktard Amy Winehouse is. That is what drugs do you children. And Booze turns you into Lily Allen lolololol.

The two biggest pieces of trash in the British music industry today.

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

Alcohol is a social drink. To me anyway, and people have it for the taste, enjoyment and other reasons as well. Wine for example is known for its social company as a beverage for dinner or lunch.

Many people dont need to take alcohol to socialise. I tried it, I didnt really like it, so I stopped drinking it. I know many people who have also given up on alcohol, or even not ever drank it. Alcohol causes many more deaths per year then other drugs, not because it is any more dangerous, but because it much more widly available and more people and taking and abusing it. I had a school friend that died in her first week of university from drinking too much alcohol and collapsing into an unbreathable possition in her bathroom. She was found dead the next morning. She didnt die from drinking too much, she died from falling due to the influence of alcohol.

DreamRunner · Jun 18, 2008, 03:53 PM // 15:53

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Originally Posted by bhavv

I will base my opinions on drugs from the scientists that spend their time, energy and abilities researching them and their effects. I'm sure that some random drug user passed out in the middle of the street is really going to be able to give me great advice on taking drugs, NOT.

How about getting some information about murder from people that have killed others and trying it ourselves? They might say there is nothing wrong with it and it is fun, so I guess that is ok to break the law and go around killing people then? So we can have some fun? lol @ your logic, it is failsauce.

Song for you little kids out there that dont believe drugs are bad that you might listen to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHpK-ejSfBo

Pink >>> You. She did drugs. She said they were bad and she didnt like them. Why go through the same mistakes yourself when people have already been through them and are saying themselves that they are bad?

and we have all seen what a total F*cktard Amy Winehouse is. That is what drugs do you children. And Booze turns you into Lily Allen lolololol.

The two biggest pieces of trash in the British music industry today.

Many people dont need to take alcohol to socialise. I tried it, I didnt really like it, so I stopped drinking it. I know many people who have also given up on alcohol, or even not ever drank it. Alcohol causes many more deaths per year then other drugs, not because it is any more dangerous, but because it much more widly available and more people and taking and abusing it. I had a school friend that died in her first week of university from drinking too much alcohol and collapsing into an unbreathable possition in her bathroom. She was found dead the next morning. She didnt die from drinking too much, she died from falling due to the influence of alcohol.

Amazing. So if some does research of the drug, they know what is feels like taking it? Simple, no. You can imagine whats it like, but you cannot in anyway know what is feels like.

My point was that you cannot know what it feels like and you are judging it without ever knowing. And since you brought up murder, how do you know what the murderer was feeling? How do you know it's fun? You simply DON'T KNOW what is feels like. Its like trying to imagine the effects of firing a gun without ever touching one. You can imagine, but you cannot KNOW. I don't know why you even brought up murder and if you bring light of me the connection of drugs and murder, then please tell me. If you believe in what some scientist tell you, then you should know that theory =/ practice.

Because, Pink isn't me? Are you seriously a sheep? If someone tells you they're bad, they must be! She just says that her "special" someone is like an addictive drug. The song just uses drug abuse as a sub-theme for pinks main theme about painful relationships. Totally relevant.

Slash did drugs as well. I guess he must be bad too.

So how many deaths from weed? Oh wait, ZERO. Yet, its illegal. I didn't say that people need to drink to socialize, go damn. Drinking is something to enjoy and people like drinking something they enjoy around others, hence the social drink. I like the taste of some beers(ales, wheat beer, porters) because its simply something I enjoy with enjoying others company. Why is this so hard to understand?

Your friend collapsed in an non-breathable position. Other words, she PASSED OUT. Yes, that is drinking to much, and even what you said is truly fascinating.

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Originally Posted by bhavv

I had a school friend that died in her first week of university from drinking too much alcohol and collapsing into an unbreathable possition in her bathroom. She was found dead the next morning. She didnt die from drinking too much, she died from falling due to the influence of alcohol.

???

dunky_g · Jun 18, 2008, 08:35 PM // 20:35

How is this still going.. -_-

bhavv · Jun 18, 2008, 09:08 PM // 21:08

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

Slash did drugs as well. I guess he must be bad too.

Slash is an Idiot. Most heavy metal / rock musicians are.

Pink on the other hand took drugs as an escape from having a bad childhood. She has spoken unfondly of other artists in Rock and Roll that take drugs just for their image right here:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...ticle42429.ece

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Sometimes when your life is full of pain, drugs give you an escape ? then you end up dead or sick.

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She also talked about one of the most high-profile heroin users, Babyshambles singer Pete Doherty. Pink said: �It sounds like it’s his way to be rock and roll. That’s sad.

She has the mindset that people take drugs as an 'escape', and that it isnt a 'good place to be'.

She, and a lot of other musicians do not consider taking drugs to be harmless like you do. They see the problems with them, and those with brains stop taking them and speak from their experience to try and stop other people from making the same mistakes. Idiots on the other hand carry on taking them for their 'image' or whatever else (E.G. Amy Winhouse snorting cocaine during her performances). A lot of musicians do it purely for the publicity and nothing else, but it gives them a very bad image in the eyes of the public.

You are just a clear moron, typical for confused rebel teenager that thinks taking drugs has no consequences. I would be ashamed to be you.

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

So how many deaths from weed? Oh wait, ZERO.

http://www.katinkahesselink.net/health/canabis.html

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Those in favour of cannabis legalisation often claim that there are no reported cannabis induced deaths. It is important to understand what this means. It means only that there are no reported deaths directly attributable solely and immediately to a toxic overdose of cannabis.

There are, however, cannabis related deaths. The Australian Bureau of Statistics reports a total of 184 cannabis related deaths for the five years 1997-2001. ABS breaks these figures down into: 68 Mental (i.e., mental and behavioural disorders due to psychoactive substance use); 98 Accidental (i.e., accidental poisoning by and exposure to noxious substances); 11 Suicide (i.e., intentional self-poisoning by and exposure to drugs); 7 Undetermined (i.e., drug-related deaths with undetermined intent).

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Sorry, but when you argue against unbiased scientific studies and think they are wrong, you continue to make yourself look more and more stupid.

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

Are you seriously a sheep? If someone tells you they're bad, they must be!

LOL, your calling me a sheep when you're the one taking drugs???

lolololololol!!!!!!!

Oh wait, people actually listen to idiots like you and follow them like blind little lambs and start taking them because you said it is fun and cool. You fail, serious Phail.

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

My point was that you cannot know what it feels like and you are judging it without ever knowing.

According to some emo kid that lives down the street, slashing your wrists feels good, so you should also go ahead an try it. I dont care what drugs feel like. I dont care if you have some kind of weird fetish for drug use, I feel good enough as it is to not have to take drugs. What I do know is that drugs cause damage to your body in some way or another. It isnt a theory, it is a fact when people are dying from them. Although legalising all social drugs would be a cool way of killing of some of the idiots in the world.

DreamRunner · Jun 19, 2008, 07:01 AM // 07:01

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Slash is an Idiot. Most heavy metal / rock musicians are.

Pink on the other hand took drugs as an escape from having a bad childhood. She has spoken unfondly of other artists in Rock and Roll that take drugs just for their image right here:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...ticle42429.ece

She has the mindset that people take drugs as an 'escape', and that it isnt a 'good place to be'.

She, and a lot of other musicians do not consider taking drugs to be harmless like you do. They see the problems with them, and those with brains stop taking them and speak from their experience to try and stop other people from making the same mistakes. Idiots on the other hand carry on taking them for their 'image' or whatever else (E.G. Amy Winhouse snorting cocaine during her performances). A lot of musicians do it purely for the publicity and nothing else, but it gives them a very bad image in the eyes of the public.

You are just a clear moron, typical for confused rebel teenager that thinks taking drugs has no consequences. I would be ashamed to be you.

http://www.katinkahesselink.net/health/canabis.html

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Sorry, but when you argue against unbiased scientific studies and think they are wrong, you continue to make yourself look more and more stupid.

LOL, your calling me a sheep when you're the one taking drugs???

lolololololol!!!!!!!

Oh wait, people actually listen to idiots like you and follow them like blind little lambs and start taking them because you said it is fun and cool. You fail, serious Phail.

According to some emo kid that lives down the street, slashing your wrists feels good, so you should also go ahead an try it. I dont care what drugs feel like. I dont care if you have some kind of weird fetish for drug use, I feel good enough as it is to not have to take drugs. What I do know is that drugs cause damage to your body in some way or another. It isnt a theory, it is a fact when people are dying from them. Although legalising all social drugs would be a cool way of killing of some of the idiots in the world.

Everyone should take note that this is what a bad argument looks like. Its full of ad Hominems fallacy. You generalize metal and rock musicians. You talk about scientific evidence, where you provide... well, none. That site had this "Self reported cannabis use as a risk factor for schizophrenia in Swedish conscripts of 1969" 39 years ago, excellent material, yes?

I didn't say drugs didn't have any consequence. Where do you get these idea's? A lot of things have consequences, do some drugs harm your body? Yes they do. Drinking to much coke cola harms your body too. People can use drugs as an experience and use it in moderation, which would be fine. But, like many... people abuse it, like they abuse alcohol, abuse gaming, abuse gambling and the list goes on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_...nabis#Toxicity

http://www.askmen.com/sports/health/20_mens_health.html

"There is no existing evidence of anyone dying of a marijuana overdose. Tests performed on mice have shown that the ratio of cannabinoids (the chemicals in marijuana that make you high) necessary for overdose to the amount necessary for intoxication is 40,000:1."

You said I was a sheep about drugs when you take just other people's opinions and not form your own by the experience. How ironic. However, you talk about drugs as a get away. Well damn, a lot of people use hobbies as a getaway. People play games to get out of reality, look as Asia.

I am done with this, there is no point in continuing this pointless thread. Although, bhavv has proven how much he sucks at any form of arguing.

Lord Sojar · Jun 19, 2008, 07:10 AM // 07:10

I abuse Vicodin, more specifically Hydrocodone in the form of 10/325mg APAP tablets called Norco (google it). I am a horrible person, right? I am dead serious by the way... so don't take it as a joke. I function quite normally being high on opiates 24/7. I just have to convince my pain management doctor I am constantly in pain to keep my supply up (I am honestly in chronic pain from degenerate disk disease in my lumbar, but not severe enough to warrant opiates). I could and should probably go to rehab, but I see no reason to. They are safe drug, and I don't take abnormal doses, so meh. You can hate or love me for it, but without them, I would be a sad, depressed little man that might go manic suicidal on you, and that would be far worse then popping 8-10 pills a day to keep my opiate receptors happy. Note: I am on Norco, which has a low APAP concentration, thus it doesn't threaten my kidneys or liver because of hyper toxicity in my liver and renal system. Informed addicts > idiot addicts.

Oh, and I am weening myself off btw. So, you can break addictions if you just have a little self control and trust in yourself as well as external love and support from your family and god.