Curse

Joe Fierce · Mar 06, 2009, 03:15 AM // 03:15

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Originally Posted by Illfated Fat

This thread is so full of freakin' win.

I love you guys.

Not at all offensive. But I have a question - would you fornicate with me, you and Balthazar? :O!

P.S. Good post...

Only if optimus prime were there to video tape it.

And honestly, many people are thinking I did it in the first place to offend people, I honestly didn't. I do realize that every form of comedy will offend someone somewhere in some way but, even so, that's not particularly the intent in most cases, people just try to find that in it.

see you down in arizona bay

Arkantos · Mar 06, 2009, 04:47 AM // 04:47

Step 1) Stare at dots for 30 seconds
Step 2) Look at blank wall
Step 3) Start blinking

JESUS IS CLEARLY REAL.

On a serious note, no, I do not find this the least bit offensive. The other persons comments were quite funny, though.

xDusT II · Mar 06, 2009, 04:57 AM // 04:57

I thought humanity had gotten over this whole religion fad.

glacialphoenix · Mar 06, 2009, 05:07 AM // 05:07

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Originally Posted by Joe Fierce

And honestly, many people are thinking I did it in the first place to offend people, I honestly didn't. I do realize that every form of comedy will offend someone somewhere in some way but, even so, that's not particularly the intent in most cases, people just try to find that in it.

Eh well, FF7 fans have their own version of it ("And Hojo said, Let it be spliced"), and I've seen less offended remarks re that one. I think it's partly the fact that you aren't like, generally making a joke that's open to everyone (like say, posting it on this forum), but that you were talking to one person, who presumably thought you were pressuring him to join a video game cult. It's kind of targeted in that sense, and so people are going to take it more personally and react more strongly.

And as for religion as a whole... well... if you are honestly comfortable with your religion, that's good enough. It shouldn't be a case of blind faith, which gets you into trouble no matter what said faith is placed in.

There have been corrupt religious leaders, but then there have been corrupt just-about-anything, and frequently people follow them out of misplaced trust, not just 'herd mentality'. Herd mentality does play a part, but saying that people are sheep for following, say, a corrupt religious leader is, well, something I would think is strongly influenced by the 20/20 vision of hindsight. Add things like social pressure to the mix, and you have a situation where people who are less comfortable with their beliefs are disinclined to speak out or demonstrate differences in what they think. Top that off with the fact that said religious leader is probably a pretty charismatic fellow, and you get a seething stew of issues. It's pretty easy to condemn someone based on his religious beliefs, and pretty easy to condemn a religion based on its history, but it really, really shouldn't be the only thing you consider.

General Aetius · Mar 06, 2009, 05:28 AM // 05:28

such things are relative

Joe Fierce · Mar 06, 2009, 06:22 AM // 06:22

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Originally Posted by xDusT II

I thought humanity had gotten over this whole religion fad.

no, tom cruise and evil galactic overlord xenu made sure that it made a come back

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Step 1) Stare at dots for 30 seconds
Step 2) Look at blank wall
Step 3) Start blinking

JESUS IS CLEARLY REAL.

On a serious note, no, I do not find this the least bit offensive. The other persons comments were quite funny, though.

/thread

RedNova88 · Mar 06, 2009, 06:29 AM // 06:29

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

Group mentality isn't just a part of religion. Just look at the pvp community here on GWGuru who have people that follow the top guilds as what they say is best or right. I know a lot of hardcore atheists still want to prove that science is the best for everything and have blind followers of science themselves.

But I like what you said about religion causing large amount of suffering because it seems that people have this idea that religion is the only cause of wars, destruction and huge amount of pain. But I just look at the 20th century and see have much of a part religion has played in and with WW1 and WW2, religion is a part of something much larger. Its simplistic and short-sighted to only perceive causes of suffering and pain to religion because the problem its much more complex than that. True, religion has been used by some as a pretext for war. But this does not invalidate all religion, just as when football players brawl it does not invalidate the game of football

This is the best way I've seen it put.

Why can't more people think like you? Perhaps that would just be asking too much.

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no, tom cruise and evil galactic overlord xenu made sure that it made a come back

You know, if it weren't that Scientology was likely created as an attempt to dodge taxes, and that Hubbard was just a science fiction writer, I'd say that's really mean to say. I've been trying to research it, and I can't find a reliable source that actually tells you what their 100% no doubt about it beliefs are. Where are all these people finding out that we were flown to earth by all these jets, then dropped in a volcano and had hydrogen bombs dropped on us?

Abedeus · Mar 06, 2009, 12:51 PM // 12:51

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Originally Posted by xDusT II

I thought humanity had gotten over this whole religion fad.

You are calling something older than the first civilization's fall a "fad"? Unless you are few hundred thousand years old, that's just being ignorant.

Also - you might not believe in God and so on, but (I at least hope so) you believe in Jean Paul II. Without him and many priests, Poland and many other countries would still be a communistic hell. And the rest of the world would be bombed by the still alive Soviet Union.

Oh, and why are you comparing a cult (where you have to pay to be a member of) to a free religion you are not forced to join and you are free to leave any time you want? While you don't see Christians killing people because they left the Church (except for stupid rednecks, but they kill for much stupider things), you probably can find dozens of people that commited a "suicide" after expressing their feelings about leaving the cult.

Earth · Mar 06, 2009, 01:37 PM // 13:37

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Originally Posted by MMSDome

So because one person is a blind follower you automatically assume all religious people are?

That is high and mighty of you!

Learn to read, I never said all religious people are blind followers. That was just an example.

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Originally Posted by Winterclaw

Earth, every religion and even atheism has blind followers. Those people probably aren't the best ones to judge a faith by.

Right. And I don't. I never said that.

And I'm not going to continue this discussion, as it won't lead to anything.

Fril Estelin · Mar 06, 2009, 02:06 PM // 14:06

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Originally Posted by Earth

And I'm not going to continue this discussion, as it won't lead to anything.

The mistake they quoted go back to the point I was trying to make in post #16: over-generalisation. Religions, whether you invent them or not, are powerfull concepts and ideas, that's why people don't take them lightly and when over-generalisation harms any kind of discussion. (example: the OP mentions a situation and most people trust that he relayed the information correctly, but we don't have all facts and reply with our own ideas, however related they are to the OP)

Similarly to laws in our countries, they should allow us to live in peace, but when you add things like greed, jokes, etc. their nature is changed.

And yes, there are definitely a bunch of people who consider science as a religion, which will teach everyone the "gospel of truth". This on the other hand is very bad, because it changes the nature of science from a tool to a defining idea.

Tyla · Mar 06, 2009, 09:56 PM // 21:56

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Originally Posted by MMSDome

I swear atheists get trolled easier by people who believe in God than the other way around. It's so funny.

I think it's just wierd to argue over the whole thing when no proof of either God (or anything (non)religious) happening, and instead of proof just arguments over faith that have nothing to show. (though personally, if I see enough evidence, I'll believe it)

I wonder why I take place in some of these religious discussions myself. Probably something to do with being a teenager with nothing to do. Probably something else.

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How is any of this religious discussion having to do with the original idea of the thread? I do not find it offensive.

Visit NewGrounds BBS. You'll know, but you probably won't be able to explain it.

kostolomac · Mar 06, 2009, 10:48 PM // 22:48

Offensive - NO.
Hilarious - YES.

On the religion thing, and this is just a observation, all the successful, law abiding and well-standing people I met are atheist, might be just a coincidence, I dunno. All the drunkards, petty criminals and failures in general are strong believers in some religion. This is just an observation.

xRustyx · Mar 07, 2009, 06:35 AM // 06:35

I pray everyday to push more yay
I ride with Dwayna
Push me and I'll slay ya
Spit that Balthazar Fiyah
Call me Ghost Rider
Elonians need to fall back
Cuz this boy gotta make plat

Abedeus · Mar 07, 2009, 06:49 AM // 06:49

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Originally Posted by Tyla

I think it's just wierd to argue over the whole thing when no proof of either God (or anything (non)religious) happening, and instead of proof just arguments over faith that have nothing to show. (though personally, if I see enough evidence, I'll believe it)

I wonder why I take place in some of these religious discussions myself. Probably something to do with being a teenager with nothing to do. Probably something else.

Visit NewGrounds BBS. You'll know, but you probably won't be able to explain it.

This is why it's called "faith" and "belief". You don't have to. But without religion, we wouldn't have laws (which were pretty well explained in the Bible), culture and many artists wouldn't have any inspiration. I mean, religion is old as the world itself, it just changes every few hundred years or new ones pop up.

pumpkin pie · Mar 07, 2009, 12:28 PM // 12:28

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

You know where would be our art if we didn't have any beliefs?

....Guess. NOWHERE. Because all would we do is paint battles. Most of which wouldn't happen. Or we would paint fruits.

There would be no art from Greece, Persia, Rome, Egypt... Hell, most of those civilizations wouldn't even exist. Because in those days, common religion was one of the important parts of their culture.

You know, if reason couldn't prove the existence of God, he would just change the world so it would prove. You know about the paradox of omnipotence?

Oh, and if you really don't believe in anything you don't see... Then I guess you don't believe that there is anything further than 14 billion light years away. Because we can't, at least for now, see anything past that point. It doesn't mean there's NOTHING there.

Not to mention that 99% of the world won't see what's 1 light year away.

If you look way way before religious paintings, to the beginning of art history, we have cave paintings. Art imitates life, without any beliefs, I guess, art would imitate life just as we do now with beliefs, it would not just cease to be. Without beliefs, art would simply take on some other subjects matters and forms.

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Originally Posted by Joe Fierce

Only if optimus prime were there to video tape it.
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I r have a video camera with sound.

Abedeus · Mar 07, 2009, 02:03 PM // 14:03

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If you look way way before religious paintings, to the beginning of art history, we have cave paintings. Art imitates life, without any beliefs, I guess, art would imitate life just as we do now with beliefs, it would not just cease to be. Without beliefs, art would simply take on some other subjects matters and forms.

Even the cavemen believed in something after death. They just couldn't express it.

Any civilization in the past had a religion.

kostolomac · Mar 07, 2009, 03:45 PM // 15:45

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

This is why it's called "faith" and "belief". You don't have to. But without religion, we wouldn't have laws (which were pretty well explained in the Bible), culture and many artists wouldn't have any inspiration. I mean, religion is old as the world itself, it just changes every few hundred years or new ones pop up.

Moral laws are older than religious laws.

pumpkin pie · Mar 07, 2009, 04:06 PM // 16:06

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Even the cavemen believed in something after death. They just couldn't express it.

Any civilization in the past had a religion.

really. enlightened me. wait, you say civilization, i don't think the people who did cave paintings count as a civilization yet.

Yang Whirlwind · Mar 07, 2009, 05:17 PM // 17:17

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

This is why it's called "faith" and "belief". You don't have to. But without religion, we wouldn't have laws (which were pretty well explained in the Bible), culture and many artists wouldn't have any inspiration. I mean, religion is old as the world itself, it just changes every few hundred years or new ones pop up.

That seems a silly argument! Unless you actually believe the Ten Commandments were literately handed down from God himself, they were written by men. They most likely took already well defined unwritten laws of their society and made them into divine law.
These unwritten laws could just as easily have been used a basis for written laws if they were not something handed down to some bloke on top of a mountain by a supreme being.

DreamRunner · Mar 08, 2009, 02:33 AM // 02:33

Law in the ancient world and religion were always closely linked together. Ancient Greek, Egypt all had law which was personified by a god or goddess and we can see the Torah which dates back to 1200 BCE. Religion has a foundation in creating law and without religion, things might be different today for better or worse. But in all cultures, law and religion have always been closely associated with each other.