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JONO51 · Dec 14, 2009, 04:52 PM // 16:52

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Originally Posted by makosi

You haven't been racist but, instead, you didn't conform to the ridiculously high standard of British political correctness. If I said I preferred white chocolate to dark chocolate then someone would take offence to some degree but that's society's problem and not mine, therefore I don't get wound up.

Rather than 'white' the PC term to use would be, "...better than maybe 75% of indigenous Brits can." Either way, I think it's an accurate estimation.

PC can go to hell... and so can those sensitive souls who take offence at everything and label everyone else as a racist or bigot or intolerant.

Check out Pat Condell on youtube - he's very real and comical about this sort of thing.

Actually, I dont think you can use the term indigenous brits. If you ever watched the question time episode with nick griffin, people in the panel were contesting nick griffin when he made reference to indigenous brits, saying that actually we are all immigrants and theres no such thing as indigenous brits.

Yang Whirlwind · Dec 14, 2009, 05:49 PM // 17:49

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Originally Posted by JONO51

Actually, I dont think you can use the term indigenous brits. If you ever watched the question time episode with nick griffin, people in the panel were contesting nick griffin when he made reference to indigenous brits, saying that actually we are all immigrants and theres no such thing as indigenous brits.

That's a funny perspective!
If we take the scientists word for it, only Africans could claim to be indigenous. Since the claim is that everyone else are descendants of those Africans who emigrated to other parts of the world.
Even if you define Brits as being Caucasian, they are not indigenous. Caucasians seem to belong to areas as far south as North Africa and since we all originated in Africa, they must be indigenous to North Africa.

Maybe, just maybe, it's a silly debate. (but still funny!)

MMSDome · Dec 14, 2009, 06:00 PM // 18:00

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Originally Posted by Yang Whirlwind

That's a funny perspective!
If we take the scientists word for it, only Africans could claim to be indigenous. Since the claim is that everyone else are descendants of those Africans who emigrated to other parts of the world.
Even if you define Brits as being Caucasian, they are not indigenous. Caucasians seem to belong to areas as far south as North Africa and since we all originated in Africa, they must be indigenous to North Africa.

Maybe, just maybe, it's a silly debate. (but still funny!)

So we should all have the African- hyphenation!

I am a proud African-American now!

Achrr The Archer · Dec 14, 2009, 09:11 PM // 21:11

I stick to my guns..."I'm not racist, I hate everyone equally".

Rushin Roulette · Dec 14, 2009, 09:28 PM // 21:28

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Originally Posted by Yang Whirlwind

Colors should never be used to describe people.
Doing so makes it look as if you have missed the point, thinking skin pigmentation has something to do with intelligence, level of education, etc. in itself.

I have to disagree with the first part. Using colour to describe someone is perfectly legit. Just keep it PC. Using the skin colour is the same as using any other distinguishing trait such as hair- or eye colour or even size, weight, sex or Citizenship.

Its just a way to differentiate between different humans, nothing more and nothing less.

People who take this sort of thing out of context and artificially blow it out of proportion out of historical shame or hyper sensitivity are nearly as bad as open racists in my opinion. They are just doing it inadvertently. There is no point in trying to say everyone is equal, but then turning around and telling someone off for calling a black person stupid but completely ignoring it when a white person gets called stupid. Either tell everyone off for calling someone else stupid or no one.

Divinitys Creature · Dec 15, 2009, 12:52 AM // 00:52

The underlying problem is that type of conversation is pretty useless without numbers. Instead of passing hot air back and forth, if you had the right kind of numbers you could enumerate the economical effects of migrants and avoid the situation where baseless opinion and propaganda and heated argument prevail.

Zahr Dalsk · Dec 15, 2009, 03:06 AM // 03:06

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Was I being racist to white people by saying this?

No, but you make yourself look like a butthurt minority guy, one who's so desperate to hide his own nation's lack of success compared to glorious western society, that he strives for ways to say how he's better than whites.

DreamRunner · Dec 15, 2009, 03:57 AM // 03:57

Yes, what said was a racist remark. The ability to use the English language isn't specified into a single demographic and even if you are better than others, why did you bring colour into it? They're many educated men and women whom come from all types of social, cultural and ethnic backgrounds who can use the English language at a very acute level.

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Originally Posted by Katsumi

Malice is a racist because his name has the word 'black' in it.

And yes, it's called reverse discrimination, Kerwyn.

No, its discrimination. Just because of a person ethnicity(In this case white) or sex doesn't mean the racist or sexist remarks change the role of discrimination.

wilebill · Dec 16, 2009, 03:01 PM // 15:01

If you say "white" "black" or a host of other terms I could spout, then you get a racist accusation.

Now, out here in the American Midwest most of us are vicious racists, no matter what our ethnic origin ... because ... well ... hey, racism is fun! But we are very careful to stick with PC lingo in public and in any written communications. Yes, pure as the driven generic dust we are. (I almost said snow!)

The idea behind PC is that if we will only use the correct terminology, we can make any problem go away. Not so.

MMSDome · Dec 16, 2009, 03:25 PM // 15:25

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Originally Posted by wilebill

If you say "white" "black" or a host of other terms I could spout, then you get a racist accusation.

Now, out here in the American Midwest most of us are vicious racists, no matter what our ethnic origin ... because ... well ... hey, racism is fun! But we are very careful to stick with PC lingo in public and in any written communications. Yes, pure as the driven generic dust we are. (I almost said snow!)

The idea behind PC is that if we will only use the correct terminology, we can make any problem go away. Not so.

False.

in most cases using the term 'white' isn't shunned upon.

joshuarodger · Dec 16, 2009, 03:44 PM // 15:44

i believe that we are all inherently racist to some extent. we all believe that we are somehow better than the next person and people who look like us and behave the way we do are also better than people who don't. there's a term for it that's escaping me at the moment.

this also applies to nationality. Americans think they're better than Brits and Chinese and Saudis and Germans etc... this isn't racist, it's nationalist, and i'm sure that most other people of a country also believe this about their nation no matter where you go. but if a chinese person comes to america and this thought is voiced by a white american, it's deemed racist as opposed to nationalist because of skin color. however if an american says it to a brit (of any color), it isn't racist. by the same token, if a black american says it about the chinese, or any other "pigmented" nationality, no issue is made of it. small intricacies baffle me when it comes to racism.