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Sagaris · May 23, 2006, 07:21 PM // 19:21

Does the horn belong on the head of the phoenix? Because that is the only bit I don't like about it.

Raiin Maker · May 23, 2006, 08:22 PM // 20:22

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Originally Posted by Bloody Death

True. According to egyptians the phoenix had gold and red feathers, and it represented fire and divinity. And ya when it died it would burn up and ressurect from its ashes.

PS: Zapdos > Moltres.

pokemon

i admit that the phoenix dosent look 100% right, but it is still the coolest pet in the game.

Huge Hearty Phoenix FTW!

Trylo · May 23, 2006, 08:56 PM // 20:56

sorry for that, but i was still thinking of the phoenix as it does have a serpentish tail and horns, close enough

Canadian Bacon · May 24, 2006, 04:53 AM // 04:53

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PS: Zapdos > Moltres.

For the love of Grenth, please tell me you aren't into Pokemon. I dropped that crap 6 years ago (I'm only 15, so that's a big chunk of my life). Oddly, I still remember pretty much every one of the original 150...I guess my memory just works that way. I bet 10 years from now I will still remember all the Guild Wars professions.

NinjaKai · May 24, 2006, 08:19 AM // 08:19

You can't possibly fault ANet for the research it does.

NinjaKai · May 24, 2006, 08:29 AM // 08:29

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Originally Posted by Bloody Death

True. According to egyptians the phoenix had gold and red feathers, and it represented fire and divinity. And ya when it died it would burn up and ressurect from its ashes.

Bennu in Egptian mythology was the phoenix or liberally translated as Rising One. Bennu is an incarnation of Osiris in the form of a heron as he's depicted. However, your not entirely wrong. One of Bennu's forms is also depicted as a magpie. Some often associate Bennu with Ra because Ra is the symbol of the sun. But Ra is simply a form of Horus later depicted as two separate entities. And I think I went a bit far on this topic. XD

Arkantos · May 25, 2006, 01:00 AM // 01:00

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Originally Posted by Canadian Bacon

For the love of Grenth, please tell me you aren't into Pokemon. I dropped that crap 6 years ago (I'm only 15, so that's a big chunk of my life). Oddly, I still remember pretty much every one of the original 150...I guess my memory just works that way. I bet 10 years from now I will still remember all the Guild Wars professions.

No, I'm a 14 year old who plays pokemon

lol jk....I just remember all the leet pokemans

prodigy ming · Jun 04, 2006, 06:39 PM // 18:39

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Originally Posted by Sagaris

Does the horn belong on the head of the phoenix? Because that is the only bit I don't like about it.

Fenghuang is actually 2 birds, the male is Feng and female is Huang. It was used to symbolize the Emperess (the dragon for the emperor).
in reply to your question, i don't think that stupid horn is suppose to be there... sometimes i really like Anet's takes on things... but they totally messed up the phoneix and even the dragon > <
I mean... thats a pretty ugly bird to symboize the empress (the one GW has), it looks like someone painted a really ugly falcon and put horn on his head... thus losing all the elegance the phoenix suppose to have.
Its ok if Anet use things from other people's culture, but it really piss us off when we see they disfigure the phoenix like that.
on a side note... the dragon... Trogdor anyone??

snikerz · Jun 05, 2006, 12:09 AM // 00:09

so like why is it the celestial phoenix represent fiery look, mind you the turtle looks fiery too hehe

Arkantos · Jun 05, 2006, 08:27 AM // 08:27

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Originally Posted by snikerz

so like why is it the celestial phoenix represent fiery look, mind you the turtle looks fiery too hehe

Actually, there made up of starts

Makes sence, because if you kill them you become closer to the stars

miraaz · Jun 06, 2006, 11:51 AM // 11:51

it would actually be cool if the phoenix would use elementalist's fire skills(a bit overpowered, i know but it would be cool

)

arcady · Jun 07, 2006, 10:42 PM // 22:42

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Originally Posted by EternalTempest

As being a member of the "Reign Of The Phoenix"

I do find this very instresting and didn't know that.
Great Find.

Bit I do love that GW pulls from more obscure source's with there own personal creation thrown in.

Given that anet is in Korea, using the Chinese myth for them is not at all obscure. It is possible the artist hired to do the phoenix did not even know the myth we in the west know, and simply looked up 'phoenix in her or his 'English-Korean dictionary then said 'Oh, they have that over there too!' and did something like what we see now.

Korean etymology is about 60% Chinese, but with a grammar structure more like Japan's. Koreans are loosely familiar with a lot of Chinese lore. If you know Korean, hearing a Chinese word is sometimes like hearing German is for English speakers - if you listen hard enough, you might guess the word correctly by what it sounds similar to (Korean is my second language, and I live in San francisco where Cantonese is one of the primary languages-took a semester of it as well).

It is interesting that the 'phoenix' is different from what users here expect, but not really suprising. In fact it may have been named 'phoenix' after it first had the other name, and got the name 'phoenix' from being translated after it was already fully designed and coded in (wild speculation on my part, but not illogical).

Stockholm · Jun 08, 2006, 03:20 AM // 03:20

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Originally Posted by arcady

Given that anet is in Korea, using the Chinese myth for them is not at all obscure..

A-net is an American company in Seattle owned by NC-Soft witch is an Korean company

And regarding the Phoenix

Phoenix (mythology)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The phoenix from the Aberdeen Bestiary.For other mythic firebirds, sometimes conflated with the phoenix, see Fire bird (mythology).

In ancient Egyptian mythology and in myths derived from it, the phoenix is a mythical sacred firebird.

Said to live for 500 or 1461 years (depending on the source), the phoenix is a male bird with beautiful gold and red plumage. At the end of its life-cycle the phoenix builds itself a nest of cinnamon twigs that it then ignites; both nest and bird burn fiercely and are reduced to ashes, from which a new, young phoenix arises. The new phoenix embalms the ashes of the old phoenix in an egg made of myrrh and deposits it in Heliopolis ("the city of the sun" in Greek), located in Egypt. The bird was also said to regenerate when hurt or wounded by a foe, thus being almost immortal and invincible — a symbol of fire and divinity.

Although descriptions (and life-span) vary, the phoenix (Bennu bird) became popular in early Christian art, literature and Christian symbolism, as a symbol of Christ, and further, represented the resurrection, immortality, and the life-after-death of Jesus Christ.

Originally, the phoenix was identified by the Egyptians as a stork or heron-like bird called a benu, (see Bennu), known from the Book of the Dead and other Egyptian texts as one of the sacred symbols of worship at Heliopolis, closely associated with the rising sun and the Egyptian sun-god Ra.

arcady · Jun 08, 2006, 04:52 AM // 04:52

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Originally Posted by Stockholm

A-net is an American company in Seattle owned by NC-Soft witch is an Korean company

Does not mean that work doesn't get at the source as well as the remote agency. In fact this may have a lot to do with why factions has a different 'play style' than 'prophesis' (not the theme, but the emphasis and level of PvE v PvP, length of chapters, etc). It might, or it might not.

Given that factions uses a lot of Asian themes that would be familiar to a Korean, and the parent company is Korean, drawing a connection is logical. Especially given the more advanced status of graphic design and digital arts in Korea - and that the visual look of illustrations and 3D models in GWs seems Korean Manwa influenced (but you would have to know Korean Manwa to see it, as the style is more subtle to a western eye than something as extreme as the Japanese Manga influence seen in games like Final Fantasy).

Consider for example, that the 'Canthan warrior armor' is the traditional armor of Korea in fuedal era, and the female Monk hairstyle seen here: http://www.guildwars.co.kr/gameinfo/job.asp?kind=3 is taken from the Korean 'Sun-nyo' (angel of the shamanic era). Korean aspects have been influencing the game for a while.

Desert Penguin · Jun 15, 2006, 05:14 PM // 17:14

The pheonix looks like a big colorful turkey. Or at least a turkey crossed with a peacock or whatever.

I wouldn't mind having a penguin, tukey, pea RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO, or even an eagle as a pet

EDIT: What on Earth is this "Red engine gored" stuff?

prodigy ming · Jun 25, 2006, 02:46 AM // 02:46

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Originally Posted by Desert Penguin

The pheonix looks like a big colorful turkey. Or at least a turkey crossed with a peacock or whatever.

I wouldn't mind having a penguin, tukey, pea RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO, or even an eagle as a pet

EDIT: What on Earth is this "Red engine gored" stuff?

swear censor

Jenosavel · Jun 25, 2006, 02:16 PM // 14:16

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Originally Posted by arcady

Does not mean that work doesn't get at the source as well as the remote agency.

Actually, it probably does. ANet is the developer. NC Soft is the publisher. Developers do the programming, art, and all the creative stuff involved in making a game. Publishers simply give the developers the money to do it (or stop giving them the money if they don't like the direction of the game

) and worry about all the technical stuff invovling putting the game out on the market after its completed.

Thus, while NC Soft will definitely have influence over what ANet does, they're probably not working on the game itself. If you don't like the design of the game, you complain to ANet (or NC Soft to put pressure on ANet). If you don't like the distribution (like the collector's edition shortage) you complain to NC Soft.

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In fact this may have a lot to do with why factions has a different 'play style' than 'prophesis' (not the theme, but the emphasis and level of PvE v PvP, length of chapters, etc). It might, or it might not.

Given that factions uses a lot of Asian themes that would be familiar to a Korean, and the parent company is Korean, drawing a connection is logical. Especially given the more advanced status of graphic design and digital arts in Korea - and that the visual look of illustrations and 3D models in GWs seems Korean Manwa influenced (but you would have to know Korean Manwa to see it, as the style is more subtle to a western eye than something as extreme as the Japanese Manga influence seen in games like Final Fantasy).

Consider for example, that the 'Canthan warrior armor' is the traditional armor of Korea in fuedal era, and the female Monk hairstyle seen here: http://www.guildwars.co.kr/gameinfo/job.asp?kind=3 is taken from the Korean 'Sun-nyo' (angel of the shamanic era). Korean aspects have been influencing the game for a while.

NC Soft isn't new for Factions over Prophecies. The differences in play style are a goal of ANet's and something Jeff Strain takes very dear to heart (judging by his interviews), not a by-product of NC Soft getting more involved. Similarly, the asian theme is a result of research, not NC Soft doing the work. I don't know how many people recall, but when ANet first announced that there would be an asian theme to Cantha, one of the articles about it included a picture of an artist's workspace completely plastered full of asian themed images (mostly people that were good looking by Asian standards such as FFX's Yuna). Don't underestimate the power of people actually caring about the game they produce.

{integral} · Jun 25, 2006, 02:22 PM // 14:22

It looks like the male equivalent of a peahen to me as well.

Oh, and I always preferred Articuno. Or that silver one that spoke to you without moving its mouth. If it had a mouth.

Francis Demeules · Jun 25, 2006, 03:22 PM // 15:22

Or they just tried to make an original one and not thinking about having a copy/paste mythology creature. Like the Onis, they're not like what they represent as physical form.

prodigy ming · Jun 25, 2006, 06:19 PM // 18:19

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Originally Posted by Francis Demeules

Or they just tried to make an original one and not thinking about having a copy/paste mythology creature. Like the Onis, they're not like what they represent as physical form.

for some reason i thought the Oni looks kinda cool... I know it looks nothing like what its based off of, but its not a bad design per se...
The phoenix however... was just horrible.