Curse

Gmr Leon · May 31, 2006, 03:15 PM // 15:15

I don't know if any of you have heard of him, but if you do a certain quest in Pre-Searing that Devona gives you she mentions him. She mentions that he almost brought Ascalon to ruins. If this is mentioned then why didn't Anet go a little further and mention more about him?

He was the last king to follow the bloodline of Doric it tells you, but then what else? Do any of you know anymore information about Grenth Be Just?

Avarre · May 31, 2006, 03:22 PM // 15:22

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If this is mentioned then why didn't Anet go a little further and mention more about him?

Because that's as much as they mentioned and he's not really important

All that we know is he allowed the guilds to grow strong and move into open war during the Guild Wars, and was too incompetent or diplomatic to be able to do anything about it. At least, I think thats right...

Gmr Leon · May 31, 2006, 03:23 PM // 15:23

Well...A king that brings Ascalon nearly to ruins seems important if you ask me, but that's just my opinion.

Avarre · Jun 01, 2006, 02:57 AM // 02:57

He almost brought Ascalon to ruins during the Guild Wars I'd expect. Now what does this tell us:

The Guilds were able to move freely with large armies
Ascalon was unable to mount defense or strength control them
The King was incapable of controlling his subjects

Basically, he brought Ascalon near to ruin by not doing anything. So not really that important, since he figured only minorly in the actual history as someone who did little or was a poor ruler.

But that's just my opinion

Fred Kiwi · Jun 01, 2006, 10:25 PM // 22:25

grenth was a king of ascalon?

Gmr Leon · Jun 01, 2006, 10:27 PM // 22:27

-_-' Not the Grenth just some guy named after him.

Rathcail · Jun 03, 2006, 10:14 AM // 10:14

That being the dialogue. The way I've always seen it, is that the Grenth part doesn't refer to the king's name.
"saved us from the Guild Wars and the old king, Grenth Be Just, who nearly brought Ascalon to ruin." The way it's put in there seems to me like it's a saying, asking Grenth to give out justice for the now dead former king. A bit "rot in hell" kinda thing.

Arothar · Jun 03, 2006, 11:00 AM // 11:00

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Originally Posted by Rathcail

That being the dialogue. The way I've always seen it, is that the Grenth part doesn't refer to the king's name.
"saved us from the Guild Wars and the old king, Grenth Be Just, who nearly brought Ascalon to ruin." The way it's put in there seems to me like it's a saying, asking Grenth to give out justice for the now dead former king. A bit "rot in hell" kinda thing.

If it is a saying, why is Be and Just with capital letters?

Rathcail · Jun 03, 2006, 12:03 PM // 12:03

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Originally Posted by Arothar

If it is a saying, why is Be and Just with capital letters?

Part of the saying perhaps? It is a god she's talking about after all.

Gmr Leon · Jun 03, 2006, 06:21 PM // 18:21

Never thought of it like that, now it makes a bit more sense actually.

Cjlr · Jun 03, 2006, 07:58 PM // 19:58

Reading it again (I'd long since forgotten about it) it seems more like an honorific. Like, May He Rest in Peace, or Peace Be Upon Him. Something along those lines. Because let's face it, it's a horrible, horrible name for a person.

Ristaron · Jun 03, 2006, 08:40 PM // 20:40

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Originally Posted by Cjlr

Reading it again (I'd long since forgotten about it) it seems more like an honorific. Like, May He Rest in Peace, or Peace Be Upon Him. Something along those lines. Because let's face it, it's a horrible, horrible name for a person.

I believe you were on the right track.
It seems to be a 'God Have Mercy' quote. Obviously the guy's dead and he's done stupid things, but nonetheless he was human and therefore his mistakes are forgiveable.

Arcien Trueflight · Jun 04, 2006, 01:20 AM // 01:20

Yeah...I'd have to agree it seems more like an honorific then anything. More like asking Grenth himself to "Be Just" on the old king of Ascalon more so then an actual name. It sounds like something Devona would say.

Gorebrex · Jul 09, 2006, 09:35 PM // 21:35

Just saw this thread, and thought, what if the king's lack of ability/willingness to control the Guilds was what allowed the Charr to build up an invasion force, and obtain the magic they unleashed on Ascalon, unseen by Ascalonian forces, because they were busy with their infighting?

draxynnic · Jul 10, 2006, 02:13 AM // 02:13

Yes.

Not just Ascalon, but from memory, it was the Guild Wars that allowed the Charr to attack - both because the human nations were, on the whole, too busy to keep an eye on them, and because the kingdoms had been bleeding each other white in the fighting.

Ristaron · Jul 10, 2006, 02:21 AM // 02:21

The armies of the guilds were greater than the armies of their home nations. In the eyes of some, Ascalon's former king may have seemed weak by not standing up to force the guilds to submit... and even weaker once King Adelbern took over (which occured before the Charr invasion, as clearly seen by how he's 'King' Adelbern in presearing...) and somehow bring an end to them (in Ascalon, at least).

Roupe · Jul 17, 2006, 05:19 AM // 05:19

I concur, according to that statement,

The old king, may he rest in peace, isnt Grenth. Devona is just using a proverb.

Raiin Maker · Jul 19, 2006, 01:58 PM // 13:58

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Originally Posted by Rathcail

That being the dialogue. The way I've always seen it, is that the Grenth part doesn't refer to the king's name.
"saved us from the Guild Wars and the old king, Grenth Be Just, who nearly brought Ascalon to ruin." The way it's put in there seems to me like it's a saying, asking Grenth to give out justice for the now dead former king. A bit "rot in hell" kinda thing.

anyone actually talked to warmaster grast during that quest?

Rathcail · Jul 19, 2006, 04:26 PM // 16:26

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Originally Posted by Raiin Maker

anyone actually talked to warmaster grast during that quest?

Yes. There's no reaction out of him because our characters are sissies and are too afraid to say anything.