Curse

Makaelthos Solcry · Jul 29, 2006, 04:26 PM // 16:26

A few more :

1.Theres a brotherhood in droknars forge -brotherhood of the dragon it hink ,which includes devotees or flint ,now why glint ?I think glint was at one time or the other called to help the dwarves fight the titans .
2.Why should the charr worship the titans ? If my perception of the titan journey is correct ,then the charr could have easily squashed the titans ,who somehow got all the way till dragons gullet unnoticed,but they didn't .In stead they worshipped them and fire .Why do you think this is ?
3.This may sound crazy ,but i think glint could be gwen.
4.I've read somewhere that glint herself makes these prophecies ,thats intriguing..
5.If anyone knows their destiny ,they have no destiny ,so obviouslt that explains why the lich failed to see his own death in teh flameseeker prophecies,and also that's the reason the mursaat guard the ring of fire, risking their lives a lot ,where as they could just hide away far away ,and they would've never died .
6.In the streets of Arah ,khilbron read the forbidden magic which sunk the entire peninsula ,and arah was the city of the gods ,put that all together and this is what you get : The scroll he read was the ultimate and supreme spell of GRENTH (or dhuum) ,which could make a common man an undead minion god ,get what im saying ?
7.And he read a scroll ,so i doubt its written by grenth himself ,someone found out the godlike ability of grenth and converted it to the from of a rune .
8. the power that made teh peninsula sink was merely an attribute of the power of the destruction bloodstone .
9.the elonians knew of the FP .Now that is a very important (and very true) sentence .Thats why they went to the crystal desert seeking ascencion .This absolutely proves my previous theories of the titans crossing elona .
10.brb on ym laptop for more of my impartment of wisdom . :P

Makaelthos Solcry · Jul 30, 2006, 04:01 AM // 04:01

Doomlord , yeah i didnt think of a lot of that stuff but if you read my second post ,the theory of the titans crossing elona isn't too farfetched.

Oh ,and Glint doesn't have/need any enemies ,she's practically a god.And all boulder/stones/hulking stones elementals and ice golems were once titans (or their hands and fists)

Makaelthos Solcry · Jul 30, 2006, 04:07 AM // 04:07

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Originally Posted by MMSDome

sorry if this is off-topic but has anyone seen a female charr?

We wouldn't know what a female charr looks like .

Doomlord_Slayermann · Jul 30, 2006, 04:29 AM // 04:29

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Originally Posted by Makaelthos Solcry

A few more :

1.Theres a brotherhood in droknars forge -brotherhood of the dragon it hink ,which includes devotees or flint ,now why glint ?I think glint was at one time or the other called to help the dwarves fight the titans .
2.Why should the charr worship the titans ? If my perception of the titan journey is correct ,then the charr could have easily squashed the titans ,who somehow got all the way till dragons gullet unnoticed,but they didn't .In stead they worshipped them and fire .Why do you think this is ?
3.This may sound crazy ,but i think glint could be gwen.
4.I've read somewhere that glint herself makes these prophecies ,thats intriguing..
5.If anyone knows their destiny ,they have no destiny ,so obviouslt that explains why the lich failed to see his own death in teh flameseeker prophecies,and also that's the reason the mursaat guard the ring of fire, risking their lives a lot ,where as they could just hide away far away ,and they would've never died .
6.In the streets of Arah ,khilbron read the forbidden magic which sunk the entire peninsula ,and arah was the city of the gods ,put that all together and this is what you get : The scroll he read was the ultimate and supreme spell of GRENTH (or dhuum) ,which could make a common man an undead minion god ,get what im saying ?
7.And he read a scroll ,so i doubt its written by grenth himself ,someone found out the godlike ability of grenth and converted it to the from of a rune .
8. the power that made teh peninsula sink was merely an attribute of the power of the destruction bloodstone .
9.the elonians knew of the FP .Now that is a very important (and very true) sentence .Thats why they went to the crystal desert seeking ascencion .This absolutely proves my previous theories of the titans crossing elona .
10.brb on ym laptop for more of my impartment of wisdom . :P

They are servants of Glint, and they feed you some of the post-Hell's Precipice story.
The Charr worship their fire-gods, which are in fact the Titans. For more solid proof, look at the structure they build outside Nolani Academy (which is described in the Guild Wars lore as a statue of one of the Charr's gods).
No. Don't bring Gwen into this unless you have some sort of proof.
Glint is the prophet that make the Flameseeker Prophecies, arround which the game's story centers (although you don't know that to begin with).
What better place to hide than in a volcano in the middle of the ocean? The Door of Komalie is a portal into the Mists, and the Mursaat don't necessarily want it open, but it is powerful enough for them to take interest in it I suppose.
The Vizier killed himself reading that scroll, and it had nothing to do with the bloodstone. Somehow the spell brought him back as the Lich with control over the former citizens of Orr. We do not (and probably never know) the details, but we do know where the Lich came from.
What? Just accept that fact that the spell nuked Orr and make the Vizier a Lich. That's all we need to know for the purpose of this discussion.
Again, it was the scroll. Read the Guild Wars manual for details on the bloodstones. They are unrelated to the Cataclysm.
Um, no. The Elonans knew the Flameseeker Prophecies, true. The Prophecies mention the Titans, but that does nothing to prove your already unsubstantiated theory.
Just read a bit more into the lore before you give us more of this "wisdom". Triple posting is also unwise if you want to remain on the good side of the moderators.

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Originally Posted by Makaelthos Solcry

Oh ,and Glint doesn't have/need any enemies ,she's practically a god.And all boulder/stones/hulking stones elementals and ice golems were once titans (or their hands and fists)

Glint is the servant of the five gods that was sent to maintain balance in the world of Tyria. Once humans came arround and screwed that one up, she apparently decided to become a prophet. Also, there is no proof that Stone Elementals and Ice Golems are in any way connected to the Titans. In fact, it is implied by the way mobs are grouped in the Shiverpeaks that the Ice Golems are creations of the Stone Summit.

Makaelthos Solcry · Jul 30, 2006, 10:11 AM // 10:11

I was actually surprised that you took my harmless theories so seriously .
Why/How could the elonians possible know of the flameseekser prophecies ?WHo told them ?In any case they weren't meant to fullfill it ,or even ascend for that matter so ,the only way they could know of is if ,either glint or some other god told them ,which is unlikely, or they saw the titans crossing their lands ,and sought wisdom froma divine being ,who would've told them the truth ,if you think about it ,there is no other way they could've known .

Doomlord_Slayermann · Jul 30, 2006, 12:20 PM // 12:20

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Originally Posted by Makaelthos Solcry

I was actually surprised that you took my harmless theories so seriously .
Why/How could the elonians possible know of the flameseekser prophecies ?WHo told them ?In any case they weren't meant to fullfill it ,or even ascend for that matter so ,the only way they could know of is if ,either glint or some other god told them ,which is unlikely, or they saw the titans crossing their lands ,and sought wisdom froma divine being ,who would've told them the truth ,if you think about it ,there is no other way they could've known .

The logical explanation is that Glint told them in some way.

Makaelthos Solcry · Jul 30, 2006, 03:12 PM // 15:12

Why would glint tell them if they weren't meant to ascend ?

Doomlord_Slayermann · Jul 30, 2006, 05:36 PM // 17:36

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Originally Posted by Makaelthos Solcry

Why would glint tell them if they weren't meant to ascend ?

Who says they weren't?

ZainAhmed · Jul 30, 2006, 05:46 PM // 17:46

1. Actually i read somewhere that saul de alessio died when invading a charr camp with the Unseen Gods(mursaat). So how can charr worship them...

2. The image someone showed of a so called mursaat effigy is actually a spark of the titans...it has wings. Like i said mursaat are not worshipped by charr.

3.Glint was the first creature made by the Gods of Tyria. Well i don't think the "old" gods would make a creature who is evil. So glint isn't a god and doesn't won't gain anything by making the heroes and titans and others fight.

4. oh yeah doomlord i think makaethos solry meant that glint can see the future so why would she tell them since they wouldn't ascend anyway.

Makaelthos Solcry · Jul 30, 2006, 05:51 PM // 17:51

yes exactly .

Doomlord_Slayermann · Jul 30, 2006, 07:40 PM // 19:40

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Originally Posted by ZainAhmed

1. Actually i read somewhere that saul de alessio died when invading a charr camp with the Unseen Gods(mursaat). So how can charr worship them...

2. The image someone showed of a so called mursaat effigy is actually a spark of the titans...it has wings. Like i said mursaat are not worshipped by charr.

3.Glint was the first creature made by the Gods of Tyria. Well i don't think the "old" gods would make a creature who is evil. So glint isn't a god and doesn't won't gain anything by making the heroes and titans and others fight.

4. oh yeah doomlord i think makaethos solry meant that glint can see the future so why would she tell them since they wouldn't ascend anyway.

True, it's in the GW Prophecies manual.
Good point, I had never really considered that. However, the Mursaat HAVE WINGS. It was more of a question I posed earlier in this thread about the effigys, and you just gave me the answer, so thanks for that.
She is also the servant of said gods, so their gain is hers as well.
I have no idea why Glint let them know. However, being a prophet IS NOT the same as seeing into the future. Prophecies are things that will happen, but not necessarily in a specific way. Glint knows that a Lich is going to come arround, help a group of ascended Chosen defeat the Mursaat and open the Door of Komalie, then betray the Chosen for the power of the Titans and be destroyed by it. Glint wants this prophecy to come true, and the one thing she really has direct control over is getting some ascended Chosen to begin with. We don't know enough specifics about the Flameseeker Prophecies to really conclude anything on this topic. Anyways, the Prophecies are indeed common knowledge among the people of Tyria - Meerak in the Frontier Gate is proof enough of that.

lactatemike · Jul 30, 2006, 11:22 PM // 23:22

So as to why Glint would tell the peoples in the desert: She didn't.

Ya gotta think of the Forgotten, though. The ones in the desert, and the ones in Glint's lair. I don't know this for certain or anything, but maybe the super old race of Forgotten have had a friendly or servant-like relationship with Glint.
Again, I don't know for certain, but perhaps the Forgotten told the little bleached bones people in the desert.

Doomlord_Slayermann · Jul 31, 2006, 01:30 AM // 01:30

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Originally Posted by lactatemike

So as to why Glint would tell the peoples in the desert: She didn't.

Ya gotta think of the Forgotten, though. The ones in the desert, and the ones in Glint's lair. I don't know this for certain or anything, but maybe the super old race of Forgotten have had a friendly or servant-like relationship with Glint.
Again, I don't know for certain, but perhaps the Forgotten told the little bleached bones people in the desert.

The Forgotten are Glint's sevants sent by the gods to rule Tyria before the rise of man. When humans arrived, the gods raised the Crystal Desert up out of the sea and gave it to the Forgotten to live in, since apparently they weren't getting along with humans.

Makaelthos Solcry · Jul 31, 2006, 05:27 AM // 05:27

Glint's servants ? No ,they were directly sent by the gods .
We're going way off -topic by the way .And all this stuff that you say that its in teh manual ,it ain't in my manuscripts at all..

I still don't understand why the Charr worship fire ,and if it's because they worship the titans which are practically fire, why do they worship the titans ?
Im sure that if an 8 man group could eliminate practically three fourths of teh titan armada ,then a whole race of charr could definately do so too.

bigwig · Jul 31, 2006, 05:57 AM // 05:57

why is it so unbelievable that the charr would worship fire? Lots of ancient peoples have worshipped volcano's or fire gods etc. The burning titans, you know, burned, so perhaps they believed the titans were avatars of a sort, and worshipped them as such. The charr do have many effigies of the mursaat, which is a little harder to explain. thats the confusing part for me. Maybe it has something to do with the charr not having access to infusion and being so heavily defeated by the mursaat intimidated them into submission?

Doomlord_Slayermann · Jul 31, 2006, 03:49 PM // 15:49

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Originally Posted by Makaelthos Solcry

Glint's servants ? No ,they were directly sent by the gods .
We're going way off -topic by the way .And all this stuff that you say that its in teh manual ,it ain't in my manuscripts at all..

I still don't understand why the Charr worship fire ,and if it's because they worship the titans which are practically fire, why do they worship the titans ?
Im sure that if an 8 man group could eliminate practically three fourths of teh titan armada ,then a whole race of charr could definately do so too.

Sent by the gods to be Glints servants.

The Charr worship the Titans as their gods, and since the Titans have a certain fiery quality to them, the Charr worship fire as a symbol of their gods. I'm really not quite sure what is so hard to understand about this.

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Originally Posted by bigwig

why is it so unbelievable that the charr would worship fire? Lots of ancient peoples have worshipped volcano's or fire gods etc. The burning titans, you know, burned, so perhaps they believed the titans were avatars of a sort, and worshipped them as such. The charr do have many effigies of the mursaat, which is a little harder to explain. thats the confusing part for me. Maybe it has something to do with the charr not having access to infusion and being so heavily defeated by the mursaat intimidated them into submission?

As was discussed earlier, the effigies may well be of the Hands/Fists of the Titans, which would make more sense. Otherwise, it would be hard for the Charr to accept the Mursaat into their religion because the Mursaat are air elementals, not fire. Here's another possiblity: the effigies represent the Mursaat being burned (they ARE on fire) by the titans in some ancient conflict in which the Charr took part alongside the Titans.