Curse

MMSDome · Jun 21, 2006, 06:38 AM // 06:38

why exactly are the Mursaat the bad people? Maybe they are the good guys, afterall they did protect the door of komali from letting anyone open it so the titans wouldnt come out. Maybe Glint and the Seer's are the bad guy and we are caught in the middle of a war we can never understand. I from the beginning have always believed the White Mantle and the Mursaat were the good guys, and Glint the seers and everyone else that was on our side that resisted them was bad (The Vizier of course).

To Sum it all up, The Mursaat are the good guys.

bigwig · Jun 21, 2006, 11:14 AM // 11:14

yeah except for the whole mass murderers thing, they're great.

Doomlord_Slayermann · Jun 21, 2006, 01:20 PM // 13:20

The Mursaat are definitely evil. The Lich is evil, of course. Basically, Glint forsaw in the Flameseeker Prophecies that both evils would be destroyed, and she just doesn't feel the need to tell this to the heroes. After all, she seems to know the outcome anyways.

Goats17 · Jun 21, 2006, 10:21 PM // 22:21

Argh! Everyne is evil in this game. Who CAN you trust? Who ISN'T evil? Geez.

Rogier · Jun 23, 2006, 09:34 PM // 21:34

i guess glint told the mursaat a powerful enemy would rise and try to defeat them with a handful of soldiers, every1 just got a part of info from glint that said what they should do, glint is smart

Shuuda · Jul 04, 2006, 09:54 PM // 21:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rogier

i guess glint told the mursaat a powerful enemy would rise and try to defeat them with a handful of soldiers, every1 just got a part of info from glint that said what they should do, glint is smart

So the Charr invation could have been Glints work, as a way of leading the heros to kryta. But, the Charr seem abit barbaric to play along like that, so Glint may of tricked them.

serpant queen · Jul 06, 2006, 10:56 PM // 22:56

i think this is a good point. but i bleve that The Mursaat and the char are linked most lykly is glint profissed 2 The Mursaat hearing this and noing that the chosen would start there jouny in ascalon sort for a way to brake them... there alryd was the charr in ascalon so they gave them the means to do this this means both parts would hav had a mutral agrement But this is just going on what i hav seen in game a big clue 2 my thery is if we look at the larger crystals left behind after the seering they are infused with the same material that jade armors are formd off... and im also working on the thort that the char are more advansed than we first thort after going inta dragons guilt i fist thor it was a anchent human templ 1nc far bigger and grander than ToA but then i came 2 a archway with the carving of a char shamens face sarounded by human skulls then did a lil more exploring just out side the flame temple and found char sarounding a banner (in blue) with the same image on it... the char a advansed race a bit hard to belev but hay if u botha 2 look its there... who knows it could hav been the The Mursaat that broke their hole race just to stop the profacy BUt thats just my opinion

Warcheif_Jonval · Jul 18, 2006, 02:52 AM // 02:52

We are just as evil as the mursaat really.
They sacrificed countless masses of us to keep the titains from escaping.
We killed damn near all of them to let the titans out.

yay for humanity sending another species to the extinction block!

And about the Charr being manipulated by Glint...

As suggested earlier in the thread and by me in another thread about the charr, I belive Vizeir had something to do with the Charr moving south.

He needed a reason to get to the scepter of Orr, he needed a way to get heros from ascalon into kryta so he could direct them where he wanted them. and the Charr made a great means to those ends.

MMSDome · Jul 18, 2006, 02:59 AM // 02:59

sorry if this is off-topic but has anyone seen a female charr?

Warcheif_Jonval · Jul 18, 2006, 03:14 AM // 03:14

Im fairly certain I couldent tell the diffrence if I looked. Nor would I want to look.

And besides, why would it matter, by the time you figure it out one of two things has happend:
1) You died because you spent too much time looking up your foe and he/she killed you out right.
2) You got ostricised from society for feeling up a dead Charr.

So, after comeing to a conclusion about the gender of your foe, no one would know your revelation anyway :P

Roupe · Jul 18, 2006, 03:38 AM // 03:38

Even if the Charr would have some worship of the Mursats , it doesnt mean they consider the Mursat their "good" gods. Sort of like Christians having descriptions of Satan.

Charr would simply worship the Mursats because the Mursats have imprisioned the Titans. That is they could worship both -for diffrent aspects

Flopjack · Jul 18, 2006, 07:55 PM // 19:55

I have been reading (the majority) of the posts here and this seems to be going all over the place. My buddies and I have had numerous discussions about what the heck exactally took place in Prophecies. This was the closest thing to a conclusion we did... or something similar to this:

Im a nut shell, the Flameseeker Prophecies (FP) were coming and Glint was the... mediator of it all.

I think the Mursaat knew of the FP and also knew how devestating the Titans would be, thus they needed to kill the people who they thought were 'Chosen' to stop the FP and not allow the Titans to come out. (the eye thing chose the chosen) (or keep the Titan's sealed) Saul found Mursaat, Mursaat gained power over White Mantle to do their bidding (Though good intentions had to get those intentions by killing people)

Charr worship fire. Fire = Titans. Titans want to kill crap. Thus the Charr wants to kill crap. (Crap = everything. The Charr attacked freaking Asclaon, Kryta AND Orr. The Lich accidently sunk Orr trying to stop the invasion like an idiot.

SO...

All the PvE chars = Chosen since the Mantle kept killing the "other Chosen". (Because one way or another this Prophecy is going down weather you like it or not. Glint is gonna have to start kickin' puppies if she has to.)

The Chosen people are the various champions of Ascalon and travel across Tyria learning of everything as the FP begin to unfold before them (us). Lich uses us to Ascend to BEAT the Mursaat as they stand in his way of the Titans. He turns us against our 'allies', the White Mantle (even though they were murdering people, they wanted to stop the FP, when all along it had to run its course, the Mursaat said: "These people are the unbelievers, the tained.. or whatever, in order to get the White Mantle (WM) to kill the Chosen.)

We find out WM's deeds, kick some butt. Lich says: We gotta run morons, to the desert and Ascend!

We Ascend, find mursaat, get seer to help us and convince (good) dwarves to help us attack Mursaat, all the time playing to the Lich's hands. We break Mursaat stronghold, the only thing that was stopping Lich from getting the Titans. He Busts out some Titan action, but didn't read the fine print of the Flameseeker Prophecies. He gets burned in the end like the idiot he once was.

THEN....

Charr re-unite with titans, have a good hug and continue their carnage on Ascalon. Idiot King wont give up and move to Kryta. We come back to resuce his face again... same family issues... END!

That was sort of hosh-posh mess, but is anyone on the same wave-length here? Or is this all bogus?

Warcheif_Jonval · Jul 19, 2006, 06:11 AM // 06:11

That acctualy seems really close to the sentiment in the thread, Flopjack >_>

I still think the Lich and Glint did a lot of behind the scenes manipulations though. :P If not simply to make the rather poorly made enemies we had to slaughter seem less stupid. ^_^

Flopjack · Jul 21, 2006, 02:09 AM // 02:09

Good, then I guess I am on que with everyone here.

serpant queen · Jul 21, 2006, 09:49 AM // 09:49

well now that i think of it day are more lykly to be linked with the linch as in last day dawns they are fighting with the titans not agenst them and the masut are trying 2 stop us from opening the gate ant they?

Goats17 · Jul 21, 2006, 03:41 PM // 15:41

Ouch, my eyes.

Makaelthos Solcry · Jul 29, 2006, 04:05 PM // 16:05

1.Glint didnt tell the lich any part of the prophecy ,he 'read' it.
2.Glint is a cannieving bitch,though .
3.During the searing ,the char summoned massive crystal formations (or jade) ,very similar to that in dragons lair and the material on the jade armors .
4.Anyone wondered about teh name-dragons gullet ?
5.Its because the charr summoned glint (a dragon) to destroy ascalon by nuking them with magical crytsal ,which she got from her lair.
6.If the charr worshp titans, then they worship creatures who could only come by opening the door of komalie .
7.What i mean to suggest is that the door of komalie had to be opened sometime before ,otherwise the charr could never know who or what the titans were .
8.In the quest- defend droknars forge ,the titans are made of ice ,this suggests that they can addapt very very quickly to their surroundings .
9.According to that logic ,jade armors,jade bows ,all jade mursaat followers,boulder elementals,stone elementals ,ice golems,possible flesh golems,and all other kinds of golems are in fact titans .Perhaps when the door of komalie was first opened ,a similiar thing happened as the prophecies lore ,except that the chosen failed and died ,but the dor of komalie was closed in teh process.Since they were dead ,the door of komalie was closed and they had no lord to command or give them power ,many spread to different areas of tyria and adapted to the surroundings .
10.If the titans escaped from teh ring of fire,how could they have possibly gotten to the main continent ? tehy cant swim or tehy wouldve died ..
11.They traveled first south west through the rof ,into the land of elona (be excited) and through the crystal desert ,some got left behind there ,then they split into two different groups, one going to the shiverpeaks and the others going northward into ascalon (they mgiht have even passed glint along the way)
12.This explains why there are no titans in kryta or maguuma.
13.i can think of more stuff ,but ill post later;grasp this stuff first .

Doomlord_Slayermann · Jul 29, 2006, 04:19 PM // 16:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Makaelthos Solcry

1.Glint didnt tell the lich any part of the prophecy ,he 'read' it.
2.Glint is a cannieving bitch,though .
3.During the searing ,the char summoned massive crystal formations (or jade) ,very similar to that in dragons lair and the material on the jade armors .
4.Anyone wondered about teh name-dragons gullet ?
5.Its because the charr summoned glint (a dragon) to destroy ascalon by nuking them with magical crytsal ,which she got from her lair.
6.If the charr worshp titans, then they worship creatures who could only come by opening the door of komalie .
7.What i mean to suggest is that the door of komalie had to be opened sometime before ,otherwise the charr could never know who or what the titans were .
8.In the quest- defend droknars forge ,the titans are made of ice ,this suggests that they can addapt very very quickly to their surroundings .
9.According to that logic ,jade armors,jade bows ,all jade mursaat followers,boulder elementals,stone elementals ,ice golems,possible flesh golems,and all other kinds of golems are in fact titans .Perhaps when the door of komalie was first opened ,a similiar thing happened as the prophecies lore ,except that the chosen failed and died ,but the dor of komalie was closed in teh process.Since they were dead ,the door of komalie was closed and they had no lord to command or give them power ,many spread to different areas of tyria and adapted to the surroundings .
10.If the titans escaped from teh ring of fire,how could they have possibly gotten to the main continent ? tehy cant swim or tehy wouldve died ..
11.They traveled first south west through the rof ,into the land of elona (be excited) and through the crystal desert ,some got left behind there ,then they split into two different groups, one going to the shiverpeaks and the others going northward into ascalon (they mgiht have even passed glint along the way)
12.This explains why there are no titans in kryta or maguuma.
13.i can think of more stuff ,but ill post later;grasp this stuff first .

Well, here's all the ways that you're wrong:

True
No idea where this one is coming from, but sure, if you say so.
The Jade armors are very, very dissimilar to the crystals in appearance.
This is currently unknown, and perhaps always will be. We shall see.
Um, wrong. The Charr worship the Titans, Glint's enemies.
Right, and you will want to read the Guild Wars manual to discover that the Door has indeed been opened before.
See #6.
The titan boss is still a regular titan, by the way.
Logic? How the hell is this logic? Titans are titans.
Well, they did. Maybe they took a boat.
Wrong. They were sent to their individual locations by the Lich directly.
Try the quests Defend Denravi and Defend North Kryta Province to see just how wrong you are.

Makaelthos Solcry · Jul 29, 2006, 04:24 PM // 16:24

A few more :

1.Theres a brotherhood in droknars forge -brotherhood of the dragon it hink ,which includes devotees or flint ,now why glint ?I think glint was at one time or the other called to help the dwarves fight the titans .
2.Why should the charr worship the titans ? If my perception of the titan journey is correct ,then the charr could have easily squashed the titans ,who somehow got all the way till dragons gullet unnoticed,but they didn't .In stead they worshipped them and fire .Why do you think this is ?
3.This may sound crazy ,but i think glint could be gwen.
4.I've read somewhere that glint herself makes these prophecies ,thats intriguing..
5.If anyone knows their destiny ,they have no destiny ,so obviouslt that explains why the lich failed to see his own death in teh flameseeker prophecies,and also that's the reason the mursaat guard the ring of fire, risking their lives a lot ,where as they could just hide away far away ,and they would've never died .
6.In the streets of Arah ,khilbron read the forbidden magic which sunk the entire peninsula ,and arah was the city of the gods ,put that all together and this is what you get : The scroll he read was the ultimate and supreme spell of GRENTH (or dhuum) ,which could make a common man an undead minion god ,get what im saying ?
7.And he read a scroll ,so i doubt its written by grenth himself ,someone found out the godlike ability of grenth and converted it to the from of a rune .
8. the power that made teh peninsula sink was merely an attribute of the power of the destruction bloodstone .
9.the elonians knew of the FP .Now that is a very important (and very true) sentence .Thats why they went to the crystal desert seeking ascencion .This absolutely proves my previous theories of the titans crossing elona .
10.brb on ym laptop for more of my impartment of wisdom . :P

Makaelthos Solcry · Jul 29, 2006, 04:25 PM // 16:25

A few more :

1.Theres a brotherhood in droknars forge -brotherhood of the dragon it hink ,which includes devotees or flint ,now why glint ?I think glint was at one time or the other called to help the dwarves fight the titans .
2.Why should the charr worship the titans ? If my perception of the titan journey is correct ,then the charr could have easily squashed the titans ,who somehow got all the way till dragons gullet unnoticed,but they didn't .In stead they worshipped them and fire .Why do you think this is ?
3.This may sound crazy ,but i think glint could be gwen.
4.I've read somewhere that glint herself makes these prophecies ,thats intriguing..
5.If anyone knows their destiny ,they have no destiny ,so obviouslt that explains why the lich failed to see his own death in teh flameseeker prophecies,and also that's the reason the mursaat guard the ring of fire, risking their lives a lot ,where as they could just hide away far away ,and they would've never died .
6.In the streets of Arah ,khilbron read the forbidden magic which sunk the entire peninsula ,and arah was the city of the gods ,put that all together and this is what you get : The scroll he read was the ultimate and supreme spell of GRENTH (or dhuum) ,which could make a common man an undead minion god ,get what im saying ?
7.And he read a scroll ,so i doubt its written by grenth himself ,someone found out the godlike ability of grenth and converted it to the from of a rune .
8. the power that made teh peninsula sink was merely an attribute of the power of the destruction bloodstone .
9.the elonians knew of the FP .Now that is a very important (and very true) sentence .Thats why they went to the crystal desert seeking ascencion .This absolutely proves my previous theories of the titans crossing elona .
10.brb on ym laptop for more of my impartment of wisdom . :P