Curse

Goats17 · Jul 21, 2006, 03:02 PM // 15:02

Might be hard for Glint to take it, seeing as how she is dead.........Dragon's Lair Bonus FTW! I do think she took it though. I don't know how..............GWEN DID IT!

Avarre · Jul 22, 2006, 02:51 AM // 02:51

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Originally Posted by Raiin Maker

Indeed the lore in the handbook rocks.

It takes precedent over speculation in that it's actually canon.

Roupe · Jul 22, 2006, 08:03 PM // 20:03

Well, The Cannon is conflicting... sometimes..

"Kryta becomes a colony" 300AE

--The Timeline at manual BookI page 34

"The seat of Power in Kryta, Lion´s Arch housed the royal palace of King Doric and his line until after the last Guild War...."

-- Read from Lions Arch Description on the World map ingame

"And when the world rang with the clanging of swords and did fire fall from the skies, Dwayna, goddess of life and air, heard the wailings and pleas of the weak.

And when the rumblings of war did not cease, cameth Her charge Doric, who did prostrate himself at Her feet.

And cast She now a glance upon the war-torn lands and wasted flesh of the fallen, and with tears upon Her cheek did lay her gentle hands upon the prostrate man. Then saith She unto him and all Her charges, Lay down thy weapons, and as I have done unto ye, so ye must do for your brethren. Offer protection to the weak. Give solace and shelter to those who need it. Be ye a salve to the wounded.

For I am your goddess, and I will give blessings to all who follow these teachings."

-- Scriptures of Dwayna: 115 BE

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Thus Lions Arch existed before 300 AE, and parts of Kryta thus was populated by Dorics decendants before it became a colony... Since BE is before AE timewise...

I doubt that Dorics Lions Arch and the Current Lions Arch is two seperate cities at seperate locations (as York and New York irl) , especially when Lions Arch description mention Doric...

Perhaps Lions Arch become more savage and declined in its high status civilization... thus causing Orr later to anew populate it. and forcing what was once the Empire of Dorics center of the world to become a colony.

Eldin · Jul 22, 2006, 11:20 PM // 23:20

Since (for the most part), this thread is pretty clueless, think of it this way:

[SPOILERS IF YOU HAVEN'T MET GLINT]

The Flameseeker Prophecies
1) The White Mantle worship the Mursaat.
2) The Mursaat, Glint, the Lich, and few others know of the Flameseeker Prophecies.
3) The prophecy says that the chosen shall be the ones to unleash the titans - sealing the Mantle's "Gods"' doom.
4) The Mursaat, knowing that the mantle worship them, have them protect them from the titans. They do this by:
5) The Mantle seemingly take the chosen off to an academy, but really slaughter them on the bloodstones. Not only do their souls help power the Soul Batteries and keep the Door of Komalie shut, locking away the titans, but it eliminates the threat of these Chosen going about and freeing the titans.
6) The Scepter of Orr has the power to control the Titans. The mantle seemed as if they were searching for it (as suggested by their tones of voice and dialog in the ending cinematic for Gates of Kryta), so the mursaat probably told them to find the Scepter and keep it away from the chosen (and the undead).
7) Vizier Khilbron, aka The Lich, manipulates you into giving him the scepter.
8) You ascend, free the titans, blablabla, setting off the prophecy.

The Cataclysm
The Cataclysm brought Khilbron, along with the rest of Orr, back as undead. Most likely being killed by such a tragic, immense, and evil magic prevented their souls from finding rest, and thusly brought them back as undead. It is unknown whether Khilbron wanted to start this off, so he would be both a powerful lich and have control of his own army, or if he really was loyal to Orr, and was unaware that he'd turn evil and stuff.

Lion's Arch
It is most likely that LA existed before Kryta became a colony. It could have just been a few huts and hobos, and that isn't legally a colony yet.

The Scepter of Orr
What I wonder is how it wound up in that Krytan Tomb. How did it travel to the other side of Tyria? Was it even kept in Orr? Was it even related to Orr? The mind wobbles.

Roupe · Jul 23, 2006, 12:38 AM // 00:38

King Doric traveled to Arah, city of the gods In Orr. (lore)
was granted their help, Bloodstones. (lore)
Doric most likely got the Scepter there also. (speculation)
Bloodstones keystone is right beside the Door of Khomali/prison of Titans
(gameplay)
King Dorics Palace lies in Lions Arch, (lore)
thus if he got the scepter he brought it to Kryta.(speculation)
the scepter was most likely was buried in Majesties rest (speculation)
Scepter of Orr found in Majesties rest (gameplay cinematic)

Urban_Nomad · Jul 23, 2006, 02:14 AM // 02:14

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Originally Posted by Raiin Maker

The point of the spell was to destroy the marching amy of charr, marching to destroy the city of the gods.

The vizer, the kings personal avdiser went down into the catacombes and read a spell from an ancient scroll/tablet. The resulting explosion sunk all of orr. The ironic thing is the charr never reached orr, if i remember correctly they turned back... XD

What I meant was that the VIZIER meant to destroy the Charr army, but that, more than likely, the actual point of the spell that he used was to become a Lich, and he misunderstood the ancient scroll in his rush. I don't understand why the main point of an ancient spell would be to destroy everything within possibly hundreds of miles, and the whole Lich thing being a side-effect of that. However, if the point of the spell was to become a Lich, and the esplosion was the side-effect, that makes more sense. The vizier, in his haste to destroy the Charr army, merely misunderstood it.

Urban_Nomad · Jul 23, 2006, 02:16 AM // 02:16

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Originally Posted by Roupe

King Doric traveled to Arah, city of the gods In Orr. (lore)
was granted their help, Bloodstones. (lore)
Doric most likely got the Scepter there also. (speculation)
Bloodstones keystone is right beside the Door of Khomali/prison of Titans
(gameplay)
King Dorics Palace lies in Lions Arch, (lore)
thus if he got the scepter he brought it to Kryta.(speculation)
the scepter was most likely was buried in Majesties rest (speculation)
Scepter of Orr found in Majesties rest (gameplay cinematic)

That sounds very plausible, but I don't get why they would call it the Scepter of Orr in that case. Unless that was the name of the entire kingdom before Orr split off, of course.

Ristaron · Jul 23, 2006, 02:30 AM // 02:30

I'm thinking that the theory that Doric brought it back from Arah is the most reasonable.
I still don't understand why it's not called 'Doric's Scepter', then...

Ristaron · Jul 23, 2006, 02:37 AM // 02:37

<Edit:> retarded doublepost. Refresh FTL.

Avarre · Jul 23, 2006, 03:12 AM // 03:12

The Sceptre was a mighty weapon of Orr that the gods gave to him to help defend the Human race? Would still be called the sceptre of Orr, especially if it had been in prominence in Arah already.

Roupe · Jul 23, 2006, 10:49 AM // 10:49

Precisly

Not to mention , the Vizir/Lich is from Orr, not from Ascalon. Ascalonians & Dorics decendants could still have called it "Dorics Scepter". and thus unitentionally messing up earlier searches for the Scepter of Orr. Hard to find something that has another label.

Those From Orr would have called it "The Scepter of Orr", in remembrance of their Lost Scepter. Why the Whitemantle calls it The Scepter of Orr, I do not know, perhaps the Mursat also remembers the Scepter originating from Orr. Or everyone calls it the Scepter of Orr

in Abaddon's Mouth , the Lich states that "the old legends where true" when he manages to command the Titans.

Since The Scepter of Orr was at some point well known, the records & legends of it should have been found in (well before it got blown up) Kingdom of Orr.

The Vizir/lich had prior knowledge about the scepter & its powers over Titans, but was a bit unsure about the scepters full powers, and had to try it on site.

It was ancient times when the Titans got inprisoned, thus the scepter (that can command them) should be as ancient.

Cherrie · Jul 31, 2006, 11:36 AM // 11:36

I had same thoughts myself - Scepter of Orr would mean "Scepter from the City of the Gods", maybe the Titans were also sent by Gods to help Doric, who got the Scepter to command them, and when all was over, sealed in Ring of Fire as well as the parts of the Magic Stone (since Gods thought it will be the safest place to keep things away). Doric - or his ascendant - could keep the Scepter and got burried with it at Majesty's Rest.

Roupe · Aug 01, 2006, 02:12 AM // 02:12

Yes, It isnt hard to imagine that Doric used the Titans to conquer all of Tyria with the staff & that The Lich wanted to repeat that feat, using the same means.

Avarre · Aug 01, 2006, 11:29 AM // 11:29

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Originally Posted by Roupe

Yes, It isnt hard to imagine that Doric used the Titans to conquer all of Tyria

What?

Humans never conquered Tyria, the human nation managed to expand after the magic of the bloodstones was locked up, and they were no longer under attack by level 50 W/N/Me/Mo/R/E/P/A/D/Rt combo-mobs (oldschool mursaat and seers?)

Plus there would be human records of the Titans, which there wasn't... only the ancient races (mentioned above) knew about them. The lich was working with the Seer, who wanted revenge on the Mursaat, and maybe on the humans for causing their power to be locked away (and therefore losing eventually to the Mursaat), don't forget.

Tien ak · Aug 01, 2006, 06:48 PM // 18:48

hmm I have douts that the septor of orr was known during the char invasion as its hardly a weapon as you can controll the lost souls of Orrian who died from the cataclism, so it couldn't of been made before that.

Also remeber that the Lich read a dark magic scroll before blowing all of orr up, perhaps he knew he would become a lich same with all the other orrians that would become undead soldiers.

Maybe the scroll he read told him all about the Flameseeker prohpies and all about the Titans the lore about Titans is that they have the power to kill gods and imagine if you had the power to controll them

But on to the name of the septor of orr well only the White mantle knew the name septor and its more than likely a name the mursat or White mantle made up.

also about the Mursatt maybe they found out about the flame seeker prophies from their technolgie or maybe from the seers who knows...what I do think is that murrsat helped the char destroy Ascalon (Jade look a likes dotted around ascalon) but of course the Mursat eventually double crosed the char and helped the white mantle.

Why help the white mantle? well in the Lore book it says the founder stumbled apon them and thinking they were gods he bowed before them, I reckon the mursat saw this as a surrender and then stoped the char from taking over Kryta or their new planet.

Why betray the char? well when they first met the char the had a great power in fire and in numbers so they would do great in killing the chosen. Once they destoried two cities Orr and Ascalon all that remained was Kryta. When the founder came to the Mursat and bowed before them I think perhaps they decided that humans were alot easier to control than the Char and could be eaiser to destroy and not only that but the Humans could be used to kill the chosen alot easier.

Anouther reason why they backstabbed the char was if you look in pre-searing and some places in searing you will see burining statues they look alot like Titans don't you think? perhaps they saw them as a threat?

However the septor of orr thats a tricky one as I said there is no way it could of been crafted before the char invasion as why would the gods give humans that much power. Perhaps it came out of the rifts eg Grenth's or this cast out god that is going to appear on Nightfall maybe as revenge for casting him out. I think the Lich did play some part and maybe infused it to be able to controll the Orr undead.

All shall be clear when Nightfall comes out I reckon or will it answer some questions and then give us new questions? who knows looking foward to the result tho

Venice Queen · Aug 05, 2006, 05:59 PM // 17:59

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Kryta was a colony. Orr founded Kryta, arrived by sea to the Krytan shore (since they have ships). Lord of Orr or whatever left scepter there when he died or such.

End Avarre theory.

Kryta was a booming kingdom when Orr was destroyed, and thats when the scepter was lost so eh....

methinks Glint has something to do with it

Venice Queen · Aug 05, 2006, 06:09 PM // 18:09

"2) The Mursaat, Glint, the Lich, and few others know of the Flameseeker Prophecies."

Untrue. Go back to Fronteir Gate and there is a random monk yelling "The flameseeker prophecies are coming true!" or something to that extent. This would lead one to beleive the prophecies have been widely known and spread.

Roupe · Aug 05, 2006, 06:18 PM // 18:18

I have serious doubts that the Scepter of Orr is a "new" artifact.

After all it can command Titans as well as undead, Titans have been locked up for quite some time it seems. so artifier crafting the Scepter must have known about the Titans & how to craft something that could controll them. Of this it follows that the Scepter of Orr was created before the Titans was locked up.

The Gods did give humans powerfull magic in the ages past then removed it, at Dorics request using the Bloodstones. And there is a Bloodstone at the Titans jaildoor.

At the Time of MAgic, a scepter of Orr should have been more easily done.
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But sure, lets consider that Hypothesis. "If the scepter was a rather newly created device"

The artifier could have simply read about the Titans, and did an artifact following some instruction from a Flameseeker Prophet. The Mursat could also in theory have made the scepter, they do know about the Titans after all.

but then its strange why they didnt use it them selfs -if they were so afraid of the Titans.

Its also strange why the scepter of orr was discovered at a ancient burial site & not given from the Mursats.