Curse

danyjr · Oct 26, 2006, 12:26 AM // 00:26

as the topic says. It's been always a mystery to me, wasn't Shiro the emperors most reliable bodyguard? Then why did he even think of assassinating Shiro at the first place?

Sasuke The Betrayer · Oct 26, 2006, 01:35 AM // 01:35

In many storylines from many movies, games, etc...

There has always been a leader who fears a soldier they are in command of, (ex Shiro). Shiro was way too strong (as shown int he trailer where he kills the luxon/kurzcik support easily), and the emperor believed it would be something of a curse to keep him as the bodyguard, because with his tremendous power Shiro could almost do anything he wanted. The Fortuneteller told Shiro he would die, unless he killed the emperor himself. And that is what he did.

Arkantos · Oct 26, 2006, 01:53 AM // 01:53

The FT told Shiro that the Emperor would kill him. Nobody knows if this was true or not.

Kidney Licker · Oct 26, 2006, 04:24 AM // 04:24

No one knows why Shiro was invited into the temple during the Harvest ceremony either. The build up to Shiro killing the emperor was a bit weak IMO

Nightfall may contain some answers to this. Some ppl think another power was acting in the background manipulating events, and Nightfall may contain more about this (or it may not

).

Sair · Oct 26, 2006, 06:44 AM // 06:44

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Originally Posted by Kidney Licker

No one knows why Shiro was invited into the temple during the Harvest ceremony either.

Erm, because he was the Emperor's bodyguard? The tend to follow the people they're supposed to be guarding.

Rathcail · Oct 26, 2006, 07:27 AM // 07:27

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Originally Posted by Sair

Erm, because he was the Emperor's bodyguard? The tend to follow the people they're supposed to be guarding.

No one was allowed inside the temple except the Emperor, until that one time we saw in the cutscene.

Sophitia Leafblade · Oct 26, 2006, 09:46 AM // 09:46

I personally think the FT deliberatly told Shiro that the emperor was going to kill him so that he would kill the emperor even though it probally wasnt true, she seemed very cagey, come on if she could see the future she should have known was Shiros reaction to being told was gonna be, and even when she was mortally wounded still still kept on at him to kill the emperor when most normal people would have turned there back on there killer. I think she was more involved in the destruction of much of Cantha than one might initially think.

Pick Me · Oct 26, 2006, 02:07 PM // 14:07

According to Prima, Shiro was waiting during a cerimony performed by the Emperor. The Ritualists were at specific spots in the room. The Emperor had his back turned towards Shiro and Shiro saw the opportunity to strike.

Why did the Emperor want to kill Shiro? Know one knows. Not Shiro, not the bards, not you nor I. The fact remains that the Fortune Teller informed Shiro that he was going to die and the Emperor was responsible for his demise (beware - The Harvest Cerimony).

It has be speculated that the Fortune Teller is just a messenger, and Shiro was a vessel to which the 6th god was trying to create a situation where he can be free.

You could use the old saying, "keep your friends close, and your enemies even closer." Which case, Shiro was considered to be the enemy and was to be killed.

Strange how Shiro was allowed to keep his swords. If was to be killed, why allow him to have his swords?

Interestingly, any one who claims of a prophecy (or seeing the future) rarely says when, how, where, why and by whom this prophecy will be carried out.

As far as we know, the Fortune Teller was talking about the Harvest Cerimony that was going on in Raisu Palace, Shiro was alive and WE were the ones who were going to kill Shiro for the safety of the Emperor. As far as I know, the Emperor has no fighting skills at all. I'm sure it was the Harvest Cerimony that we kill Shiro. We beat that dragon at the Harvest Temple I think, and Shiro probably had to do a ritual during the Harvest Cerimony to become alive again.

Oh well, its my little theory.

danyjr · Oct 26, 2006, 03:57 PM // 15:57

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Originally Posted by Sophitia Leafblade

I personally think the FT deliberatly told Shiro that the emperor was going to kill him so that he would kill the emperor even though it probally wasnt true, she seemed very cagey, come on if she could see the future she should have known was Shiros reaction to being told was gonna be, and even when she was mortally wounded still still kept on at him to kill the emperor when most normal people would have turned there back on there killer. I think she was more involved in the destruction of much of Cantha than one might initially think.

Kinda agree with this one. Maybe the fortune teller was lying. Maybe the emperor's death meant more than her life. The vision...is blurred.

Guildmaster Cain · Oct 26, 2006, 09:46 PM // 21:46

Also odd that she didnt see her own death coming.. Or wait... maybe she did and she is not a human being and didnt care about dying. Just manipulating Shiro into doing what she wanted. Just like Glint manipulated the heroes from chapter 1 into letting the Lich create a rift, Shiro created a rift as well, by becoming a mortal again. This created a way for Abaddon to enter our realm again...

/end rant

draxynnic · Oct 27, 2006, 04:04 AM // 04:04

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Originally Posted by Pick Me

Strange how Shiro was allowed to keep his swords. If was to be killed, why allow him to have his swords?

Possibly because Emperor Angsiyan thought that Shiro would find taking his swords off him to be suspicious. And maybe he felt that whatever he planned to do Shiro in, Shiro being armed wasn't going to help him.

Besides, Shiro was the greatest swordsman of his day. Would you volunteer to be the guard to ask him to hand over his weapons?

Timeless Logic · Oct 27, 2006, 04:11 AM // 04:11

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Originally Posted by Pick Me

Strange how Shiro was allowed to keep his swords. If was to be killed, why allow him to have his swords?

There's also the matter of honor, even between foes. Keeping your friends close and your enemies closer necessitates a degree of respect for your enemies' abilities as a method of analyzing them for weaknesses.

V for Vendetta · Oct 27, 2006, 05:36 PM // 17:36

I think I read in Prima guide that FT was seen with Am Fah often, and it also said Shiro was bring Am Fah down, so I was thinking Am Fah was behind the whole thing, killing the Emperor who ordered Shiro to destroy Am Fah and Shiro who was destroying Am Fah. Thought it was brilliant move from Am Fah eliminate both of them through FT.

Steps Ascending · Oct 28, 2006, 12:55 AM // 00:55

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Originally Posted by Pick Me

Interestingly, any one who claims of a prophecy (or seeing the future) rarely says when, how, where, why and by whom this prophecy will be carried out.

I may have a theory about this. (if I did not got the sarcasm excuse me)
If the prophet would give every details of the prophecy, the people would act differently before (the most extreme example would be a civilisation who let itself be anihilated waiting for a prophecy to unfold) and while the prophecy is resolving(would the white mantle have been so helpful if they knew we would help destroy the Mursaats). If he think himself invincible, his attitude would change drastically.

If you want to manipulate someone, he must ignore you are manipulating him. Did someone here read the Fondation cycle(by Asimov)? There is a couple of discussion about this in the 4th book (Fondation foudroyée in french).

Pick Me · Oct 30, 2006, 03:56 PM // 15:56

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Originally Posted by Steps Ascending

I may have a theory about this. (if I did not got the sarcasm excuse me)
If the prophet would give every details of the prophecy, the people would act differently before (the most extreme example would be a civilisation who let itself be anihilated waiting for a prophecy to unfold) and while the prophecy is resolving(would the white mantle have been so helpful if they knew we would help destroy the Mursaats). If he think himself invincible, his attitude would change drastically.

If you want to manipulate someone, he must ignore you are manipulating him. Did someone here read the Fondation cycle(by Asimov)? There is a couple of discussion about this in the 4th book (Fondation foudroyée in french).

Okay, let's say you are correct about changing the characteristics of people if every detail was given. Would it change you that much?

I mean if someone said, you will kill the 68th Emperor on his birthday with his bedpan in the hall connecting to the kitchen. What would you do? Would you kill yourself right there and then? Would you spend your time finding out why? Would you kill the 68th Emperor on his 67th birthday just so the prophecy doesn't come true?

Let's say you try to find out why this prophecies involving you would come to pass. Let's say that you find out if you don't kill him, something terrible will happen. Why a bedpan? No weapon is permitted in the Castle/Palace. It becomes the only weapon available to you (stealing a weapon from a guard may cause too much trouble for you). If it is a true prophecy, then you can't fight fate/destiny.

Sadly, prophecies are ment to be interpreted, thus, many questions remain unanswered and it isn't always revealed who or what exactly is to take place. If you ever watched the TV show Angel or the movie Life or Something Like it, you may see what I mean.

fleshvirus · Oct 30, 2006, 08:34 PM // 20:34

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Originally Posted by danyjr

as the topic says. It's been always a mystery to me, wasn't Shiro the emperors most reliable bodyguard? Then why did he even think of assassinating Shiro at the first place?

The fortune teler lied, she was bound to something evil, she knew how Powerful shiro was, shiro was stupid and got fooled.

Did i make myself clear?

lapsus · Oct 31, 2006, 04:35 AM // 04:35

Its easy to see there is alot of interpreting room like nostradamus and his vague seeings. i think it was said best in DUNE, a seer can only see up to the first major choice but all the paths are laid out. The path that the FT speaks about, Shiro getting killed or killing the emperor, was the most common. Who knows maybe the Emperor had gone insane and thought of Shiro as a rival al la Nero (it might have been calligula but im not sure) and has him killed. The meanings and reasons arnt as important as the end effect. Every prophecy is neccisarly vague to create wonder or doubt.

PanGammon · Nov 03, 2006, 01:35 PM // 13:35

You can't see the obvious can you? It was Gwen's plot............

Bellucci · Nov 06, 2006, 04:17 AM // 04:17

******NIGHTFALL SPOILERS********

the emperor had no intention of killing shiro... the prophet that told shiro that the emeperor would do such a thing was a minion of Abbadon, and the interaction between shrio and the prophet tainted him... the headaches shiro always had during his human existence, as seen in the cinematics, was similar to what many others were experiencing when touched by abbadon.... it was all abbadon's doing, and he did the same with Varesh, as she also had interaction with a prophet like character who very much resembled the one from factions....

runeseeker1 · Nov 06, 2006, 04:30 AM // 04:30

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Originally Posted by Pick Me

According to Prima, Shiro was waiting during a cerimony performed by the Emperor. The Ritualists were at specific spots in the room. The Emperor had his back turned towards Shiro and Shiro saw the opportunity to strike.

Why did the Emperor want to kill Shiro? Know one knows. Not Shiro, not the bards, not you nor I. The fact remains that the Fortune Teller informed Shiro that he was going to die and the Emperor was responsible for his demise (beware - The Harvest Cerimony).

It has be speculated that the Fortune Teller is just a messenger, and Shiro was a vessel to which the 6th god was trying to create a situation where he can be free.

You could use the old saying, "keep your friends close, and your enemies even closer." Which case, Shiro was considered to be the enemy and was to be killed.

Strange how Shiro was allowed to keep his swords. If was to be killed, why allow him to have his swords?

Interestingly, any one who claims of a prophecy (or seeing the future) rarely says when, how, where, why and by whom this prophecy will be carried out.

As far as we know, the Fortune Teller was talking about the Harvest Cerimony that was going on in Raisu Palace, Shiro was alive and WE were the ones who were going to kill Shiro for the safety of the Emperor. As far as I know, the Emperor has no fighting skills at all. I'm sure it was the Harvest Cerimony that we kill Shiro. We beat that dragon at the Harvest Temple I think, and Shiro probably had to do a ritual during the Harvest Cerimony to become alive again.

Oh well, its my little theory.

The emperor has no fighting skills at all?!
every emperor of cantha (since chang hai) is an ascendant emperor. They have all become weh no su. kisu is the 31st emperor, but the 20th ascendant emperor.