Curse

Dutch Masterr · Nov 14, 2006, 06:18 PM // 18:18

we find out about my favorite npc in the game--palwa joko (he just says the funniest things). but my question is, after we get to the bone palace, we never hear of him again. when we first meet him he seems like he will play bigger role in the game besides telling you how to use the wurms. ill also quote zhed shadowhoof "im sure well be seeing him again". and we all know hints like that in guild wars are always an obvious hint to the rest of the game. now i may not remember correctly, but what exactly happens to palwa joko after the gates of desolation/bone palace?

Shadis · Nov 14, 2006, 06:20 PM // 18:20

Judging by how upset he was over his forces falling into such disarray, he's probably seriously considering stuffing himself back down in that tomb.

Avarre · Nov 14, 2006, 06:21 PM // 18:21

As far as the storyline tells, he stays at the palace using his armies to battle the Margonite armies, allowing you to essentially walk up to Varesh.

Also, this goes to lore.

The undead Mesmer · Nov 14, 2006, 07:54 PM // 19:54

Perhaps they just gave a little spoiler about who we might see back in ch4

Who knows perhaps palawa is our next evil super villian :/

(Dont want that the undead dude is cool)

Omega X · Nov 14, 2006, 08:31 PM // 20:31

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Originally Posted by The undead Mesmer

Perhaps they just gave a little spoiler about who we might see back in ch4

Who knows perhaps palawa is our next evil super villian :/

(Dont want that the undead dude is cool)

I doubt it. They will probably add in some Glint-like quests to put him back in his prison.

Xiypher · Nov 14, 2006, 08:48 PM // 20:48

kormir and palawa team up to unleash hell

i dont like kormir, power hungry and stupid

Makkert · Nov 14, 2006, 09:14 PM // 21:14

my money is on 'Dhuum' as next big supervillian.

Ic Zero · Nov 14, 2006, 10:18 PM // 22:18

maybe one of abaddon's loyal workshipper is gonna bring him back to life.....

ah well, i watched too much ''Harry Potter''

FireFox · Nov 14, 2006, 10:26 PM // 22:26

seeing as he was pretty evil in his day I dont really see the player teaming up with him anymore now that abbadon is out of the picture

draxynnic · Nov 15, 2006, 02:43 AM // 02:43

It's actually an interesting question. Is it, for instance, possible for Palawa to redeem himself - or at least decide that he's tried and failed once, he's going to sit around and be nice in his own territory for a while?

It is worth noting that by the end of Nightfall, he knows there are heroes around that were responsible for bringing down a god - and even before that, at least some of the heroes around will have taken down a lich before. He's probably smart enough not to make himself the next target on the list...

Furthermore, if you return to the Chantry of Secrets, once you've crossed the Desolation there's a quest available which is basically "find the tunnels Palawa used to invade Vabbi in the first place". Ultimately, if Palawa was going to attack again, he's not going to catch Elona by surprise like he did the first time - even if you don't do the quest, they're still going to keep in mind that they should keep an eye on the mines as long as he's sitting on the other side.

Metagaming it a little, it is worth noting that he does end up as a permanent feature in an outpost, where major characters destined to have an unpleasant end normally only show up in missions and explorables. It would kind of destroy the suspension of disbelief if you were to kill him in some quest, then come back and find him still standing around in his palace giving out quests... (It's actually something I think ANet messed up a little. Even if they plan on having him remain in place forever, they should have kept him out of the outpost just to keep the issue in doubt...)

The undead Mesmer · Nov 15, 2006, 07:26 AM // 07:26

I still put my bets on Palawa having a major role in ch4 he just has the whole super villian scheme all over him (Although in a stupid way ya know with those villians that never succeed but always come back)

We need more Joko love mon!

Btw! look in the manual what does his text say? ''Who knows, History is still being written.''

Bellucci · Nov 15, 2006, 09:14 AM // 09:14

if joko were to gain power, it would take a lot of time.... most of these campaigns take place very close to each other, they are proximal in the sense of time... it really doesnt make sense to add a quest where palawa joko becomes all powerful, because then what? So he rebuilt his whole army in a day? 1 year? so you see the issues you could have there... I assume palawa joko would need several upon several years to regain any strength?

Kit Engel · Nov 15, 2006, 10:10 AM // 10:10

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Originally Posted by Bellucci

if joko were to gain power, it would take a lot of time.... most of these campaigns take place very close to each other, they are proximal in the sense of time... it really doesnt make sense to add a quest where palawa joko becomes all powerful, because then what? So he rebuilt his whole army in a day? 1 year? so you see the issues you could have there... I assume palawa joko would need several upon several years to regain any strength?

He's dead, he might just have a veeeery long take on things. For him, getting to something soon might mean in a hundred or a thousand years --- the time is of little consequence to him unless someone comes in to interfere first.

draxynnic · Nov 15, 2006, 01:29 PM // 13:29

On the other side of things - how long did it take the Lich or Shiro to amass forces that could threaten the entire continent? Undead forces - or forces otherwise formed from converting an innocent or even enemy populace, such as through the Affliction - can be built up a lot faster than a mortal army. And that's without considering the possibility of finding some other source of troops like the Titans.

Still, I suspect his plan for reestabolishing domination, if he has one, does have "wait until the current swarm of heroes has died down." Really, considering what the PCs have accomplished at the end of Nightfall, he'd be stupid to try something while they're still around.

thezed · Nov 15, 2006, 03:46 PM // 15:46

I agree. He waited almost 200 years to get out of his tomb, I think Joko will continue to defend his teritory for another few hundred years before making another move. And by that time I doubt our PC heros will still be around.

feye · Nov 15, 2006, 04:32 PM // 16:32

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Originally Posted by draxynnic

Furthermore, if you return to the Chantry of Secrets, once you've crossed the Desolation there's a quest available which is basically "find the tunnels Palawa used to invade Vabbi in the first place". Ultimately, if Palawa was going to attack again, he's not going to catch Elona by surprise like he did the first time - even if you don't do the quest, they're still going to keep in mind that they should keep an eye on the mines as long as he's sitting on the other side.

There's such a quest?

Guildmaster Cain · Nov 15, 2006, 10:32 PM // 22:32

Shhh... Palawa Joko is going to replace Grenth in chapter 4, much like Kormir replacing Abaddon...

But dont tell... remember I heard this from my best friends uncle that does the garden roses in Palawa Joko's third wife's garden.

draxynnic · Nov 16, 2006, 12:46 AM // 00:46

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Originally Posted by feye

There's such a quest?

From the Whispers Adept at the Chantry of Secrets.

Tarus From Taros · Nov 19, 2006, 04:02 AM // 04:02

Ya know, He kinda reminds me of Skeletor. His whole attitude and the way he treats those under him is really......Skeletor-ish.

draxynnic · Nov 21, 2006, 07:54 AM // 07:54

From the Whispers Adept on completing Scourge of Vabbi:

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Originally Posted by SPOILER

Now that we know how he moved his forces, we can prepare for his next invasion. He will attack again, I am sure of it. It may not be soon, but Palawa Joko can afford to wait until we are dead and gone. Sooner or later he will seek rule over Elona again. The Scourge of Vabbi can hold his breath for an eternity if need be...