Curse

Guildmaster Cain · Nov 02, 2006, 05:39 PM // 17:39

About the above post:

SPOILER ALERT

The Titans were evil on their own, they were minions of Abaddon. The Charr saw the Titans as gods, but that does not mean that they were evil inherently. The true motive into invading the human lands was because their gods told them to.

Cataclysm · Nov 10, 2006, 06:52 AM // 06:52

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Originally Posted by SnipiousMax

I do think it's interesting that they came to the aid of Kyrta in helping the founders of the mantle to throw the Char back. Seems to me they would have just let the Char swarm them and Ascalon and let the beasts do their dirty work. Then again, maybe they like having fully charged soul batteries...

I know I like to keep my soul batteries charged.

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Originally Posted by lapsus

Every successful person is. war is cruel cold and mean, society is cold and mean. society is everyones beliefes as a whole. the big rich business man, fires thousands of workers he is being cruel but hes also successful. Bill gates lies, cheats and steals not to mention he is ruthless and mean. Any athelete is mean and self centered, they have to be.

Charities, support groups and many other concessions we give the weak and the helpless only exist to make us feel like less of an animal. We have a rising number of shrinks and analysts to tell us were repressing things, to say we arnt expressing ourselves fully this is a sign of the falsity we are all living.

We deny we are animals, we invent religion to makes us feel better about death. we have wars but we condemn them, we dispise that which we are. we invent technology to raise us from being animals. All of the human animal is mean, because we need it to compete, we are all cruel at times, because we are all spiteful, we are all cold because we think of ourselves before anyone else to survive.

Yes. Exactily. I could not have said it better myself.

bsumlin · Nov 14, 2006, 05:34 AM // 05:34

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Originally Posted by Stockholm

The Mursaat came from another world and tried to rule the ppl of Tyria, that makes them "evil"

Dunno about the "another world" part (not that far in Prophecies) but it seems to me that when Saul D'whatever first discovered the Mursaat in the forest and began to worship them, the Mursaat saw this as a keen opportunity to use one of the Human kingdoms as a legitimate face to their anti-titan operation.

It's also been suggested in other forums that the Mursaat were trying to attain godhood in the same manner that *spoiler* does at the end of *spoiler* when *spoiler spoiler* runs into *spoiler* and then *spoiler*. So maybe the Mursaat were neither good nor evil, they just had their own agenda for survival and evolution, and we happened to be subject to all the consequences thereof.

Tide to Go · Nov 18, 2006, 06:51 PM // 18:51

the white mantle arent evil they looked that way in tyria only for certian reasons they where are friends in tyria and in elona but i forget whitch mission but that lady confesses a secrete :O

Sophitia Leafblade · Dec 13, 2006, 03:35 PM // 15:35

*Spoiler Alert*

Ok Nightfalls now got me a lil confused. Before Nightfall we knew the titans were banished creatures that the charr worship and whom were the only beings capable of defeating the mursaat (which apparently they did, although im sure the chosen helped due to all there meddling) The scepter of Orr being the control mechanism for them and somehow linked in with releasing and locking them away again. But it was all nice and easy to understand.

Then comes along Nightfall and we now discover than the Titans are manufacted by the forces of Abaddon and are not gods (the charr have discovered this also) and whom work for Abaddon. If this is true then why did the Lich who also apparently worked for Abaddon need the scepter to control them if they are on the same side?

Perhaps the Staff allowed the titans to exist in the mortal realm, it certainly seemed atleast too boost the Lich's power over the dead but since we dont know the full extend of his powers to begin with thats unclear). one possilble thing could be the titans have no will of there own, they are simply mindless contructs and while away from abbadons influence they are inert (much like the titan from Abaddons mouth) And the Staff allowed the Lich to extend Abaddons control over them into the mortal realm.

Nextly the Jades; the summoned elementals that the mursaat have created are mysteriously in a form of Abaddon (much like the margonites) but this would mean too that they follow abaddon, and so why would they eliminated by the titans?

One possibility that i can think of is that the mursaat were once followers of Abaddon (hence why Jades looks like Abaddon), who broke away from his control Knowing Abaddons hold on the lands of Tryia is weak (at the time) they make sure that the abaddons mighty servants the titans cant harm them but taking over control of the keystone, so the titans cant be released to elimate them for their treachery. The Mursaat would therefore be neither good nor evil aligned.

The Seers could be of the same race as the mursaat or atleast a splinter or sister race whom still have there alegance to Abaddon (hence why they help to you to break into the mursaat lands to release the titans.) the Seers certainly have similaritys with the mursaat and do have a much darker look (typical of evil beings

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Alternativly ( a longshot) the Jades could be margonites that didnt align with Abaddon who were Altered by the Jade wind unleased by Shiro (which could therefore have been an attempt to wiped them out by Abaddon by using Shiro which may or maynot explain why the whole betrayal occured and why shiro used his Death Wail granted to him by Abaddon). who joined with the Mursaat after they rebelled from Abaddon

Pick Me · Dec 13, 2006, 06:50 PM // 18:50

Sophitia,

I like your theory, but I have one problem with it. It is in regards to the Titans controll and the Scepter of Orr. As I recall, the Scepter vanished after the defeat of the Lich. The Titans were still roaming around in Tyria without anyone using the Scepter. So there is no possibility of them being like mindless constructs.

Is it possible that the Scepter is a key to allow the Titans to enter into the mortal realm? Yes. Is it then possible that the Door of Komali is indeed a door that separates the two dimensions? Yes.

I believe that the Vizir has control over the undead (without the Scepter) as the undead were looking for the Scepter when the White Mantel had it.

draxynnic · Dec 14, 2006, 02:02 AM // 02:02

It is possible that the Lich does require the Sceptre as a control mechanism. Even though the Titans and the Lich are working for the same master, that doesn't mean the Lich (and possibly even Abaddon) trusts the Titans not to do their own thing when released into the world. The Sceptre ensures that the Titans don't stray out of line.

In fact, the only time the Lich directly employs the Sceptre against a Titan is the one in Abaddon's Mouth. Could it be that the purpose of the Sceptre is simply to render a Titan inert? Once he's shown - to himself and to the other Titans - that he can do it, that keeps the others in line.

Drawing conclusions from the appearance of the Jades is dangerous. There are other explanations - for instance, they could have been originally designed before Abaddon went bonkers. Unlike the Titans, they certainly are automatons - there are Jades in at least one mission that don't activate unless a Mursaat gets close to them.

Sophitia Leafblade · Dec 14, 2006, 02:47 PM // 14:47

*Spoiler Alert*

Hmm actually that would fit nicely, if the rather than a true control mechanism (as in directly controlling them) the Scepter was more of a punishment control weapon that affects the titans in order to keep them in line while they are free in the mortal realm so they cant enjoy their freedom and do anything Abaddon doesnt wish. Think of it as a significantly more powerful version of a whip to keep them in check

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Although this is going off topic another interesty thing to note is that Titans seems to take on an essance of there surroundings, ie. while in the Jungle they have a forest Essence, in the shiverpeaks that have an icy Essence etc. and yet when they were released in the Fire isle they all had a Fiery Essence even the ones the Lich commanded to go the areas aforementioned. The ones in Nightfall seems to have a demonic Essence which fits considering they are in a demonic realm. Although i have yet to find out a reason why they are like, hopefully there is some explaination in the DoA although I have yet to find it.

Back on topic:

As for the Jades true they could have been made before Abaddon went crazy but that would still fit in with the Theory of the Mursaat abandoning following him hence why they are now enemys of Abaddons Titans. (or where atleast until the titans wiped most or all of them out).