Curse

Shinigami God · Aug 06, 2006, 11:09 PM // 23:09

This has kinda been buggin me, so I'm asking. Were the mursaat/white mantle really good? I mean at first it seems like they only kill the chosen so they won't be killed by them, but then I find the titans and I think that maybe the mursaat were really good, trying to protect the door of komalie from being opened and having Tyria go down the drain. Your thoughts?

Avarre · Aug 07, 2006, 08:21 AM // 08:21

The mursaat were evil, but that doesn't mean they can't be defenders on the Earth. There is no group on Tyria that is 'good', all were involved in immense slaughter, but some are on different sides.

xiao1985 · Aug 07, 2006, 11:08 AM // 11:08

evil in what sense? selfish maybe, craving for one's survival and believing in a prophacy, klling chosens so they won't be killed... but evil as in killing things for sport (which, mind you, lots of royals in real life do, and i suppose in tyria does as well), mursaat are much nicer...

ok that being said, i hate their agonising touch too...

Avarre · Aug 07, 2006, 11:28 AM // 11:28

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Originally Posted by xiao1985

evil in what sense? selfish maybe, craving for one's survival and believing in a prophacy, klling chosens so they won't be killed... but evil as in killing things for sport (which, mind you, lots of royals in real life do, and i suppose in tyria does as well), mursaat are much nicer...

ok that being said, i hate their agonising touch too...

Another primarily self-fulfilled prophecy... if the mursaat and mantle never killed any chosen (they certainly didn't need ALL of them to power their jade structures), no shining blade would be set up, and no investigation would lead to oppose the mantle and later the mursaat. So by killing the chosen out of fear, the Mursaat doomed themselves. That doesn't make them good

Yakumo · Aug 07, 2006, 12:00 PM // 12:00

Nah, they're not good... it's only that their actions for self preservation can be preceived as good. Sealing the Door of Komalie is in their own interest rather than that of others. The Titans are a threat to them, and the protection of Tyria is just a fortunate outcome from them protecting themselves.

If you believe that the enemy of your enemy is your friend, then you can say that they are good, but I just see them as being the lesser of two evils.

Virulance · Aug 07, 2006, 12:07 PM // 12:07

You're sort of correct. The Mursaat feared the Titans more than anything else because they believed that once the Titans are released, life would end. They were allied with the White Mantle so both could benefit- the White Mantle recieved powerful allies and skills needed to defend the Krytans, and in exchange, the Mursaat recieved the souls of The Chosen in order to keep the Door of Komalie from being opened. The souls of The Chosen are supposedly 'stronger' than normal ones, and therefore required fewer to keep the doors shut. Since the Liche made you believe you were fighting for the right cause, the Mursaat and White Mantle tried to stop you from allowing the Door to be opened. They would have had no problem with killing you before, but once they learn you are going to cause the Door to open, they really don't like you

I guess this will lead to the question "Is the Seer good or evil?"

Avarre · Aug 07, 2006, 01:00 PM // 13:00

Seer's a vindictive creature that lead you to destroy the mursaat in vengeance for its defeat in the war, and then has you clean up the mess for it. Utter evil, and also one of the coolest NPCs (with a better voice, and some skills, it'd be awesome!)

Mournblade · Aug 07, 2006, 02:33 PM // 14:33

Anything that attacks me unprovoked is an enemy. Beyond that it's up to facts and perceptions to form my opinion. lol

The Mursaat were involved with deceit and trickery to achieve there ends. That swings them towards evil to me.

Avarre · Aug 08, 2006, 09:12 AM // 09:12

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Originally Posted by Mournblade

The Mursaat were involved with deceit and trickery to achieve there ends. That swings them towards evil to me.

Please elaborate, I don't recall much trickery from the Mursaat themselves. Much of it was dealt by human minds, the White Mantle. The Mursaat aren't fast, they're slow and more methodical, and believe in their own racial strength to roll everything (mursaat pack chasing you in ice caves, they don't bother to rush because they know when they catch you, you're gone).

Numa Pompilius · Aug 08, 2006, 01:00 PM // 13:00

...and then there's Glint, using the player to get hold of the staff... Is Glint the master puppetteer, pulling the strings of player & lich alike through intervention and "prophecies", or just the beneficial oracle she claims to be?

...and the poor deluded Charr. Was it their own idea to attack Ascalon?

Shinigami God · Aug 08, 2006, 08:20 PM // 20:20

actually the charr are like the disciples of the titans... or at least they worship them =X It really comes down to whether or not the mursaat kept the door sealed out of wanting to protect tyria, themselves, or both. What I mean by "evil" is that would they be like allies if the door opened and we didn't eat them all alive before that happening? o.O

B§x¿44¶»1@$ · Aug 08, 2006, 08:44 PM // 20:44

Virulance, it was to my knowledge that that is true, but the blood stones were used more as a means of no escape for chosen, because by the flame seekers prophecies, the chosen would open the Door of Komalie and they would die.

You can't tell me they had no knowledge of the Flameseeker Prophecies also, street rats in Frontier Gate etc rant about them coming true, so this isn't some unique to just those who listened to the Vizier.

IMO, Mursaat didn't want to die. And if in the process the world gets to live along side them so be it. Remember, they all but slaughtered the seer's race. Both he and Glint described them as evil at some point or another (or thats just what we get from listening to them talk of the immense slaughter).

Yanman.be · Aug 08, 2006, 08:55 PM // 20:55

They were killing the species of the Seer remember? Bad boys!

Stockholm · Aug 08, 2006, 09:31 PM // 21:31

The Mursaat came from another world and tried to rule the ppl of Tyria, that makes them "evil"

master koa · Aug 08, 2006, 10:43 PM // 22:43

In Guild Wars, everyone hates everyone. Warriors hate monks for not rezzing them fast enough. A lot of people hate mesmers [why?]. We hate Mursaat. Mursaat hate us. We're all enemies.

ryanryanryan0310 · Aug 08, 2006, 11:06 PM // 23:06

Everyone must die...Some one will always be stronger that you... unless you get a nice solo built, and then bust him/her a new hole....

Mournblade · Aug 09, 2006, 12:12 AM // 00:12

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Please elaborate, I don't recall much trickery from the Mursaat themselves. Much of it was dealt by human minds, the White Mantle. The Mursaat aren't fast, they're slow and more methodical, and believe in their own racial strength to roll everything (mursaat pack chasing you in ice caves, they don't bother to rush because they know when they catch you, you're gone).

Well, yes they did use the White Mantle. They allowed them to worship them as gods and to do their bidding. Doesn't that seem manipulative and sneaky? =)

Avarre · Aug 09, 2006, 01:07 AM // 01:07

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Originally Posted by B§x¿44¶»1@$

IMO, Mursaat didn't want to die. And if in the process the world gets to live along side them so be it. Remember, they all but slaughtered the seer's race. Both he and Glint described them as evil at some point or another (or thats just what we get from listening to them talk of the immense slaughter).

The Seer's race also slaughtered them, just not as well. The Seer want's you to succeed by releasing the titans, then wants you to clean up the mess. They're the real manipulative bastard. As for Glint, prophets like to be right, so she makes sure it comes true

Mournblade, I don't think the mursaat expected worship but it was helping them, so Optimus Caliph wasn't about to tell the Mursaat 'omg kill teh noobs'.

lapsus · Aug 09, 2006, 04:02 AM // 04:02

Besides who doesnt want an army of lackeys?

SnipiousMax · Aug 09, 2006, 05:00 AM // 05:00

I do think it's interesting that they came to the aid of Kyrta in helping the founders of the mantle to throw the Char back. Seems to me they would have just let the Char swarm them and Ascalon and let the beasts do their dirty work. Then again, maybe they like having fully charged soul batteries...