Curse

Maria Moon · Dec 26, 2006, 08:09 PM // 20:09

ok i knowthis might seem abit stupid but i was wondering about this, and i am sure it is not in the game booklet (plz feel free to correct me if i am wrong) and in prophecies when the searing happens the story line does not go into too much deatil about the 2 question i would hope to be answered.

1, where/how did the charr get the power to preform the searing?
2. wat exactly are those giant meteors/crystalines "things"

any insight would be appreciated and if do respond thank you for taking the time to.

Tide to Go · Dec 27, 2006, 01:30 AM // 01:30

hmmmm i dont find an exact statment but question 1. they just have elementalist and i guess they only used that cannon thing just because it was some type of ritual
2. its probably hot rock that froze over time....dont really know
and if u dident know they where the things that the charr shot at ascalon
you could see the outline in the cut scene looks just like them

Crushedskulls11 · Dec 27, 2006, 07:54 PM // 19:54

To answer ur questions

*SPOILERS*
1. In 1 of the quest in the Realm of Torment, it involves the char in the titans. As u know from the titan quest and the shrine to the titans in Noloni Acadamy mish, the char worshiped the titans. As it turns out the Titans are in fact Abadons minions or posibly the 3 titan bosses from titan source (which u kill during the quest) or maybe are in fact generals as well like shiro and the lich. The titan showed themselves to the char and the char who always found power in fire saw the fiery titans and began worshiping them. The char listening to the will of there "gods" attacked the human kingdoms causing the searing and also the catclysm in Orr when they attacked it.

2. As for the crystals im guessing that those are a power granted to the char from abbadon to cause the searing

Edit: Changed the wording a bit concerning the 3 titan bosses as generals thats just speculation on my part

Xiaxhou of Trinity · Dec 28, 2006, 05:10 AM // 05:10

Nightfall is, as I see it, the conclusion and convergence of both the Prophecies and Canthan campaigns. This builds suspense in our anticipation of Chapter 4; for one, it'll be backtracking and explaining the history of Tyria, and I doubt little mention of Elona and Cantha will be made, thusly starting a brand new story (in the sense that it will not be connected to Cantha and Elona; Tyria and it's events past, present, and future will always be interrelevant to each and every expansion/campaign)
But one question that comes to mind for me is did the Mursaat recognize or worship the 5 gods? Did they fear the power of Abaddon and so guarded the Door of Komalie? I suppose they did since they sacrificed the Chosen on the Bloodstones, to both prevent the Flameseeker Prophecies from coming true (though they were not the Flameseeker) and to draw power fromt he bloodstones. If they used the bloodstones so they must have understood their history. So my question is: What was the Mursaat's purpose in coming to Tyria?

Tide to Go · Dec 29, 2006, 03:03 AM // 03:03

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Originally Posted by Crushedskulls11

To answer ur questions

*SPOILERS*
1. In 1 of the quest in the Realm of Torment, it involves the char in the titans. As u know from the titan quest and the shrine to the titans in Noloni Acadamy mish, the char worshiped the titans. As it turns out the Titans are in fact Abadons minions or posibly the 3 titan bosses from titan source (which u kill during the quest) are in fact generals as well like shiro and the lich. The titan showed themselves to the char and the char who always found power in fire saw the fiery titans and began worshiping them. The char listening to the will of there "gods" attacked the human kingdoms causing the searing and also the catclysm in Orr when they attacked it.

2. As for the crystals im guessing that those are a power granted to the char from abbadon to cause the searing

the charr worshiped the titan before they came into tyria it said they worshipd giant beast described as dragons or titans from the north

Mesmer in Need · Dec 29, 2006, 07:46 AM // 07:46

well, the crystals strewn around ascalon do look like the crystals in the dragons layre mission. and remember, glint wanted to defeat the mursaat, who wanted to keep the titans sealed in abbadons mouth. so could it be posible that glint works with titans, the charr, and the viser? remember, viser sent you to the desert to ascend and meet glint. and then the mursaat and the stone summit were working with the stone summit in thk. and that also adds the white mantle with the mursaat. so its possible that the mursaat were actually good, but because they worked with the white mantle they were considered enemies, as well as being told by the viser that they were bad.

draxynnic · Dec 30, 2006, 12:00 PM // 12:00

The Mursaat and the Stone Summit weren't working together - there are multiple points, especially in Iron Mines, where the Summit and the White Mantle are fighting each other. Essentially, you have three factions - the Stone Summit and their slaves, the Mursaat and White Mantle, and the Shining Blade remnants and the Deldrimor Dwarves.

The Mursaat force attacking THK after you clear it of the Summit aren't there as reinforcements for the Stone Summit - they were attacking the keep for their own reasons. In fact, sometimes it is possible to get the Stone Summit forces in the first wave or two to get into fights with the Mursaat forces.

In a similar vein, Glint and the Seers are enemies of both the Mursaat and the Lich. They used the Lich to defeat the Mursaat, but afterwards they too sought to bring down the Lich and the released Titans.

Tide to Go · Dec 30, 2006, 09:48 PM // 21:48

the stone summit dident work with anyone because they dident like anyone but themselves they killed anything that came in contact that wasent in thier culture

and that thing about lich and glints sounds interesting mesmer in need, glint could be representing the north lands because dragons where described to be there and along the ways of lich and the proph they could have meet. Lich saw here powers and brought her to abaddon and there ya have it......but now that !!!!!!!NIGHTFALL END OF THE GAME INFO!!!!!!!!!!abbadon is dead she has no purpose to help him now, but that then confuses the purpose of her helping us, and why is she hiding in a grain of sand??? if you go to dragons lair the snake guy will tell you where she is....since we had to go threw the stages to get to her she might have been scared of something......yet you can kill her witch leads me to think she wont be part of the game but her brothers and sisters will......the egg in her lair......you can find one in anguish outside the portal, forget the name but its very dark outside. There is a egg like glints that produces light and i forget the effect.

Crushedskulls11 · Dec 30, 2006, 09:56 PM // 21:56

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Originally Posted by draxynnic

In a similar vein, Glint and the Seers are enemies of both the Mursaat and the Lich. They used the Lich to defeat the Mursaat, but afterwards they too sought to bring down the Lich and the released Titans.

*Major Spoilers*

In the sense of this, it can be possible that Glint was tainted by Abaddon, like Shiro, The Lich, and the Char. Though then again Glint being a Seer she wants the prophecies to come True.

What i think though is that Glint knew a lot of this stuff was gonna happen and knew that if the flameseeker prophecies didnt occur Abaddon might end of breaking free succesfully, instead of being defeated. Cause if Glint didnt send us to the Fire Islands the titans would have been released and eventualy there would have been nothing we the heros couldnt have done about it and might have gotten killed.

About the crystals, come to think of it it might be possible that Glint helped out in the searing? Just a maybe, but w/ out the searing there would be no flameseeker prophecies as the heros from ascalon might never have left. Thus never starting out on the path to eventualy defeat Abbadon.

Thinking on this it might be that Abbadon never caused the searing after all, he might have just sent the titans in to get the char to worship them and then attack Ascalon and kill the would be heros.

Glint seeing this intervines and causes the searing knowing that w/ out that Abaddon would be able to break free of his prison. But on a side note it looks like in the cutscene before the searing in pre it looks like the char are casting a spell, so it might be that Glint messed w/ there spell causing it to go horribly wrong, for the char and ascalonions, and thus causing the searing so the heros would eventauly set off on there quest to defeat Abaddon.

HeHe little contridictory of myself, but it does cover quite a bit of the sides

Saleh No.1 · Dec 30, 2006, 10:04 PM // 22:04

I think Glint knew about Abaddon from the start and that the flameseeker prophecies extended longer than we were led to believe. The reason for this is that the Forgotten are in the realm of torment and are also servants or somthing of Glint. So with this in mind either the Forgotten went against Glint if she did work behind the scenes slightly for Abaddon but the problem with that is that when we kill her we can talk to her in Droknar's Forge and she tells us where the titans are.

There was somthing else I was thinking about but I forgot what it was.

Saleh No.1 · Dec 30, 2006, 10:08 PM // 22:08

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Originally Posted by Crushedskulls11

*Major Spoilers*

In the sense of this, it can be possible that Glint was tainted by Abaddon, like Shiro, The Lich, and the Char. Though then again Glint being a Seer she wants the prophecies to come True.

What i think though is that Glint knew a lot of this stuff was gonna happen and knew that if the flameseeker prophecies didnt occur Abaddon might end of breaking free succesfully, instead of being defeated. Cause if Glint didnt send us to the Fire Islands the titans would have been released and eventualy there would have been nothing we the heros couldnt have done about it and might have gotten killed.

About the crystals, come to think of it it might be possible that Glint helped out in the searing? Just a maybe, but w/ out the searing there would be no flameseeker prophecies as the heros from ascalon might never have left. Thus never starting out on the path to eventualy defeat Abbadon.

Thinking on this it might be that Abbadon never caused the searing after all, he might have just sent the titans in to get the char to worship them and then attack Ascalon and kill the would be heros.

Glint seeing this intervines and causes the searing knowing that w/ out that Abaddon would be able to break free of his prison. But on a side note it looks like in the cutscene before the searing in pre it looks like the char are casting a spell, so it might be that Glint messed w/ there spell causing it to go horribly wrong, for the char and ascalonions, and thus causing the searing so the heros would eventauly set off on there quest to defeat Abaddon.

I see you thought of the same thing as me but with more detail.

Tide to Go · Dec 30, 2006, 10:23 PM // 22:23

now that i think of it the forgotten look like abbadons servents maybe the guy by the portal isent guarding it from abbadon but guarding it for abbadon. maybe abbadon sent his forgotten to guard glint from the discoverys people would make of her. The forgotten are even in the realm of torment....guarding abbadon. Ugh this is crazy i need to go look into this glint and forgotten thing

Crushedskulls11 · Dec 30, 2006, 10:33 PM // 22:33

I Doubt the forgotten are working w/ Abbadon as in many of the quest in the Realm Of Torment and around the get to it in the Waste theres a lot of quest deatiling u working against Abbadon and his minions the Margonites, which u get from the Forgotten.

Also in the Realm of Torment the Forgotten give u quest to defeat the Margonites and also say or imply that the Forgotten along w/ other races in the torment are working against Abbadon.

As for y there in the Realm of Torment, from what i know u dont have to work w/ Abbadon to end up there. U can simply fight the Margonites or work for him unknowningly and be tainted. Why u and kormir get put in the Realm of Torment, being that both of u, have fought the Margonites.

Saleh No.1 · Dec 30, 2006, 10:49 PM // 22:49

Actually Kormir's there because she read the Apochripha(or whatever its called).

Some Guru Named Kai · Dec 30, 2006, 11:01 PM // 23:01

The Forgotten works for the Five Gods in creating the world. They retreated to the Crystal Desert where the Five Gods were once believed to have lived in the world, because humans took over and the Five Gods have already left the world. <- Straight from the GW Manual Scripts.

And as for why you end up in the realm of torment, the area where you fought Varesh, was the last place she needed to be to knock down the walls that held Abaddon captured. So after you killed Varesh, it was probably already too late to close the portals (remember the floor breaking up) so you got sucked into the Realm of Torment whether you liked it or not.

Tide to Go · Dec 30, 2006, 11:02 PM // 23:02

how do u know the magonites wherent good? They where imprisoned because of thier power and now they have excaped to stop abbadon and the realm has turned to torment.....magornites do attack anyone...but because they are stupid and wherent created to do anything but that

also id like to post a little organized short story

The invasion

The mountains are a blanket that the gods cover our eyes with, held there for wich are eyes are not ready to see...The trade route to the north lands was discovered and the blanket was lifted. The elonians could not believe thier eyes. They saw a scarce land of life. The poeple wondered of this land and many came to study the region.They uncovered a continental battle filled with torment. The battle unrapped questions though to never be answered. The battle explained a powerful force swiping the continent apart. The Battle was the begining of an invasion. The charr ran south.as south as they could feeling betrade by all around them, truating no one. The seer where wiped out 1 bye 1 , but there was a lucky surviver that fleed south into a cave. Glints race was also beginning to be wiped out but while all destruction was going on abaddon saw that face, he knew there was something special about her and captured her to make a deal. Eathier glint could serve for him for an eternity to save her race, or she could ruin it for everyone and kill every moving thing. She would not stand for it and got agressive thinking of the future of her new born. Abaddon begane to get nervous seeing the true power of glint. He then started a rampage to get her out of his way she saw her eggs being crushed, and let out a big roar clawing anyone in her way to get to her babys. Abaddon saw he weakness. He told glint that if she served him he would guard her and her eggs for until she died of age. The seer knew of the plans going on and had to help stop it. Glint sat back and watched everything unfold as abaddon wanted she did not say a word, help a single soul. Abaddon told her she had to lead the heroes of tyria into his trap so that he would have no threats for the rest of his life. Glint did so and watched abaddons plan break as the heroes defeated abaddons servent and his titans. Abaddon did not show any signs of change has he waited, and waited for them to vanish. Hes plan dident work and was cought off guard with little of an army as he fell to the heroes and all his power....knowledge was given away. As glint understood that abaddon was dead she still stayed in her grain of sand.....she dident move nor flee, she felt protected from those who would find her secrets, and those threats where givin in the future by not only the heroes, but the protectors of the world.
ya? lol.....add on plz add on, I did it because I though it was fun!

Crushedskulls11 · Dec 31, 2006, 03:46 AM // 03:46

To ur questoin about the margonites - from what i know and information in game and in thes forums. The Margonites were humans to begin w/ and along w/ the elonions - who traveled w/ Turia Ossa - and also the ascalonions. These 3 factions traveled to the now desert. Except then it was an ocean w/ islands.

These 3 factions all contested in trying to gain the favor of the gods and eventualy failing. At the time the Margonites were and still are comparable to the type of people who believed in there god - Abaddon - so much that they would do anything, even killing.

During this time, the Margonites went on a holy quest in essense and went to war w/ the other factions, desecrating the temples of the 6 gods and only leaving shrines to Abaddon untouched.

This act brought the fury of the gods upon the Margonites and also upon the 6th god Abaddon, finaly ending in the climax of the 5 gods defeating Abbadon and inprisoning him in the Realm of Torment.

Also im guessing that about this time the Crystal Desert formed, and The Gods left Tyria anlong w/ the forgoten moving into the desert. I think for more than 1 reason though. 1 being as said in the manuscripts to get away from the humans, the other i think was to guard the gate to Abbadons realm which resides in the southern portion of the Crystal Desert.

Most of this info is based on quest and mishs in Prophecies and NightFall, also in the handbooks as well. Of course a bit of speculation is involved, naturaly

At ur story, id have to say rly good job there

, could use a bit of gramer work and paragraphs always help other than that its good, kinda missing a bit of what happens in the desert though.

About glint in the story thats a nice way to look at it never rly thought of it, kinda hits the middle ground of her being good or allied w/ abbadon.

According to ur story, if u think about it would mean that Glint told u all this stuff and pretty much guided u to the defeat of the Lich, because Abaddon told her to, thus causing u to eventualy end up facing him in the end. Though i think his defeat was a miscaculation as in his mind he is a god, right? And mere mortals cant defeat a god. Also this fits into the fact that everything that happend in the 3 chapters was all a masterplan of abbadon.

draxynnic · Jan 01, 2007, 03:02 AM // 03:02

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Originally Posted by Tide to Go

yet you can kill her witch leads me to think she wont be part of the game but her brothers and sisters will......

Not necassarily. She can still project her image after Dragon's Lair, which implies that if you kill her, there is still some part of her consciousness still able to act in the world.

It may be that she's a ghost, or it could be that one of her Forgotten attendants resurrects her after the players leave. Or, for the conspiracy-minded, the Glint we see may not even be the real Glint, instead being another aspect with a greater concentration of her power than the others.

Milennin · Jan 01, 2007, 04:51 PM // 16:51

You don't kill Glint in the Dragon's Lair mission, you only defeat her.

gilgameshx · Jan 02, 2007, 03:33 AM // 03:33

What bothers me about the Charr is how they got to Orr? Did they magically teleported there? I'm sure they destroyed most of Ascalon but there's no way they got to Orr from Ascalon. And if Kryta did manage to push the Charr away, then they shouldn't reach Orr. Unless they all decided to attack each kingdom in seperate armies.