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gilgameshx · Jan 17, 2007, 07:14 AM // 07:14

There's nothing I could find about what makes Guild Wars Prophecies, Factions, and Nightfall a trilogy? Where does it state that Anet said it or Gaile said it?

Unless this all ties down to Abaddon's trilogy then it would make a little sense. Since Abaddon caused the Lich to do something in Tyria, Shiro to do something in Cantha, and Varesh to do something in Elona.

If it were a trilogy, then all of our future speculations of Ch.4 and the hints we get from past chapters wouldn't make senese.

Free Runner · Jan 17, 2007, 07:48 AM // 07:48

It was said in several Nightfall previews that Nightfall would be the end of the story arc that started with Tyria. Nightfall wraps up almost every detail apart from a few things like the Mursaat. So you could say the first 3 games were about Abaddons revenge.

MegaMouse · Jan 17, 2007, 06:58 PM // 18:58

I agree that one story line was completed, but they leave so many other things unfinished that it is ridiculous. Here ar a few things that I would love to see cleared up:

1 GWEN. What happened to her. In the cutscene when the searing happens if I am not mistaken she is in an area that is not directly hit by one of those crystals. So the possibility of her survival is high.
2 The Mursaat. Although some have said they were destroyed, I think that it would be nice to know once and for all.
3 The Char. They were driven from their homeland by and "Unknown Force". Ok what was that force and do we ever get to battle it.
There are a lot more that are there and I will do as much research as I can to get them all down as I find them. These are the ones that irk me the most.

Mega Mouse

Feme Assassin · Jan 17, 2007, 07:19 PM // 19:19

dude nf was the end of trilogy
in gw1 abaddon made vizier destroy orr and then tricked him to open the door of komalie which is another exit from torment
in gw2 shiro was trying to take over cantha and spread the plague he was tricked by an abaddons agent to kill the emperor
in gw3 abaddon dies so everything is over

if i am right this makes them a trilogy so in ch4 we will see a new storyline
anyway this is a pointless thread

mrmango · Jan 17, 2007, 11:29 PM // 23:29

MegaMouse, the Charr were driven by the Titans, servants of Abbadon, who were like gods to the Charr.

gilgameshx · Jan 18, 2007, 12:05 AM // 00:05

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Originally Posted by Feme Assassin

dude nf was the end of trilogy
in gw1 abaddon made vizier destroy orr and then tricked him to open the door of komalie which is another exit from torment
in gw2 shiro was trying to take over cantha and spread the plague he was tricked by an abaddons agent to kill the emperor
in gw3 abaddon dies so everything is over

if i am right this makes them a trilogy so in ch4 we will see a new storyline
anyway this is a pointless thread

I already mentioned that if it is a trilogy, then it's Abaddon's trilogy. But if ch.4 decided to do something with the Mursaat, Charr, Corsairs, Giants, etc. would GW be a trilogy then?

draxynnic · Jan 18, 2007, 01:03 AM // 01:03

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Originally Posted by gilgameshx

I already mentioned that if it is a trilogy, then it's Abaddon's trilogy. But if ch.4 decided to do something with the Mursaat, Charr, Corsairs, Giants, etc. would GW be a trilogy then?

Think of it as like when you have more than one series set in a particular universe (and it's not a D&D world or the Star Wars universe or any of those other worlds that anyone can jump in and write for, but a universe where the author actually has the creative right over the universe rather than simply borrowing them for a book or two). Unless the author knows they're not planning to come back, the finale of a trilogy (or quadrilogy, or whatever), while bringing to a close the main plot threads in the trilogy, generally doesn't wrap up everything - there are usually one or two (apparently) relatively minor loose threads that can be picked up on in later installments.

Consider, to pick a random example, Feist. The Midkemia cycle is full of trilogies, duologies, quintologies, and subseries of similar nature. Each one normally has a climatic resolution that concludes most of the major threads in that plot arc - but there is still an underlying story that links one arc to the next.

So what we have is that Chapter 1, 2 and 3 do form a trilogy. Chapter 4, however, while still part of GW, is the start of a new subseries. Even if it does follow up some of the loose threads from previous chapters (ex: the Mursaat and Seers) the shift in focus is enough for it to be a new trilogy (or whatever) within the overall series.

Sophitia Leafblade · Jan 18, 2007, 10:34 AM // 10:34

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Originally Posted by gilgameshx

I already mentioned that if it is a trilogy, then it's Abaddon's trilogy. But if ch.4 decided to do something with the Mursaat, Charr, Corsairs, Giants, etc. would GW be a trilogy then?

Yes it would the main story Arc is a trilogy, the same people can turn up in another set of storys with a different main story arc and prophecies-Nightfall will still be considered a trilogy.

Eg. Lotr is a trilogy (although techically is was written as 6 books instead of the now current 3), the Similion isnt considered part of it, nor is the Hobbit, they are still set in the same world and have a few cross over characters etc. but all storyarcs are relativly self contained.

draxynnic · Jan 19, 2007, 01:46 AM // 01:46

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Originally Posted by Sophitia Leafblade

Eg. Lotr is a trilogy (although techically is was written as 6 books instead of the now current 3), the Similion isnt considered part of it, nor is the Hobbit, they are still set in the same world and have a few cross over characters etc. but all storyarcs are relativly self contained.

Probably a far better analogy than mine, because it also clearly showcases how relatively minor plot points can be expanded into larger ones.

For instance, the Ring: In The Hobbit, it's essentially just a toy for Bilbo. It does let him do a few things he wouldn't have been able to do without it, but while the history of his other toys (Sting and the mithral shirt) are explained (albeit briefly) it is left completely open as to how Gollum acquired such a powerful item. This loose plot thread than becomes the MacGuffin for the entirety of LotR.

While Hobbit isn't a trilogy, this does provide a clear example of how a relatively minor plot thread in one story can become important in the next.

Horseman Of War · Jan 19, 2007, 07:38 PM // 19:38

at its current state, it is a trilogy and fits the model. however, guildwars is not a trilogy... and any future expansions will (well... expand) upon the lore and the story.

Nightfall is definately the chapter that brings it all together (titans, plague, margonites) but its not the end. There will always be demons, chapter 3 is simply the one where we kill their god. Some people are exaggerating their memories of this past summer by saying the dev's call it a trilogy... Its pretty clear if you just watch the behind-the-scenes dvd that it is not a trilogy. ANet has said that it would tie up loose ends in the lore, but they never once put it in concrete that this is a trilogy.

Its going to be fun speculating on the chapter 4 story, but I dont think anet's giving anything away just yet so lets not get too heated over people's conflicting opinions.

MegaMouse · Jan 20, 2007, 06:56 AM // 06:56

Mrmango the Char worshiped the Titans as gods. Saying that why would the Titans drive the Char out of their homeland? In the lore it tells us the Char were driven out of their homeland by an unknown force and we find out in nightfall that the Titans abbandoned the Char because the Char were too Stupid?? (not sure the reason been a while since I have actualy been in the realm of torment but i think this is close enough). They never tell us what or who drove the Char out of their homeland leaving it unknown.

Mega Mouse

Feme Assassin · Jan 20, 2007, 10:32 AM // 10:32

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Originally Posted by MegaMouse

Mrmango the Char worshiped the Titans as gods. Saying that why would the Titans drive the Char out of their homeland? In the lore it tells us the Char were driven out of their homeland by an unknown force and we find out in nightfall that the Titans abbandoned the Char because the Char were too Stupid?? (not sure the reason been a while since I have actualy been in the realm of torment but i think this is close enough). They never tell us what or who drove the Char out of their homeland leaving it unknown.

Mega Mouse

because we may visit their homeland in a future chapter

Elemeninki · Jan 20, 2007, 11:19 PM // 23:19

Cut it with all the philosophical junk. Guild Wars is not a trilogy for one reason.
A trilogy would have to have three parts to it (TRI-logy) and if there's a guild wars 4 coming out, that can't be possible. End of.

Arkantos · Jan 21, 2007, 12:35 AM // 00:35

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Originally Posted by Elemeninki

Cut it with all the philosophical junk. Guild Wars is not a trilogy for one reason.
A trilogy would have to have three parts to it (TRI-logy) and if there's a guild wars 4 coming out, that can't be possible. End of.

GW4 could be the starting of a new trilogy?

gilgameshx · Jan 21, 2007, 09:44 AM // 09:44

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Originally Posted by MegaMouse

Mrmango the Char worshiped the Titans as gods. Saying that why would the Titans drive the Char out of their homeland? In the lore it tells us the Char were driven out of their homeland by an unknown force and we find out in nightfall that the Titans abbandoned the Char because the Char were too Stupid?? (not sure the reason been a while since I have actualy been in the realm of torment but i think this is close enough). They never tell us what or who drove the Char out of their homeland leaving it unknown.

Mega Mouse

I don't think they were driven out of their homeland. The Charr was used as pawns for Abaddon. The Titans also set themselves as gods for the Charr just like how the Mursaat did with Saul. I think the reason why the Charr destroyed everything was because of these quotes from Scorch Emberspire

"The Charr have always found strength in the flames. When the Titans appeared before our people in a towering inferno, we knew that surely these must be our gods."

"Through our gods our people found a purpose, one that bound us together and drove us onto a path of conquest."

"Following signs from the gods, we cut a swath of destruction into the lands of men. Victory was our birthright. Fire and steel became the hands with which we would grasp it."

"Always toward Arah, where the gods once lived. All that awaited us there was death. What sort of god would lead its people to destruction?"

I'm sure they were looking for ascension just like how the elonians and whoever wanted to seek ascension in the crystal desert.

Free Runner · Jan 21, 2007, 10:49 AM // 10:49

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Originally Posted by MegaMouse

Mrmango the Char worshiped the Titans as gods. Saying that why would the Titans drive the Char out of their homeland? In the lore it tells us the Char were driven out of their homeland by an unknown force and we find out in nightfall that the Titans abbandoned the Char because the Char were too Stupid?? (not sure the reason been a while since I have actualy been in the realm of torment but i think this is close enough). They never tell us what or who drove the Char out of their homeland leaving it unknown.

Mega Mouse

They were driven out by the Titans telling them to head to Arah and invade the human provinces. In the Realm Of Torment the Titans have given up the charade of being the Charrs gods since they acomplished the destruction of Arah.
Look at it all as a chain of events leading up to what Abaddon wanted.

Abaddon wants Arah destroyed sending the Titans:

> Titans appear before Charr.

> Charr head from their homeland through Ascalon and towards Arah while the Guild Wars end.

> Charr get to the outskirts of Orr.

> Tereck persuades Khillbhron to use Ancient magic to stop the Charr.

> Orr gets blown up killing everyone in Orr and the invading Charr.

> Khillbhron becomes lich.

>The Flameseeker Prophecies begin to roll out.

AnkurP992 · Jan 31, 2007, 09:48 PM // 21:48

I think GW should make the next game wrapping all this up (as in the first 3 games and then start a new story line). There are still many mysteries about the mursaat and the titans. I also want to see what the mursaat city looks like. After seeing wut they did to vabbi the mursaat city would look like hevean. And also they need to say wut happened to GWEN

Avatara · Feb 01, 2007, 01:27 AM // 01:27

Dude Gwen is totaly irralivant in the GW story... it's just a funny little thing but nothing big. I wonder what happened to the npc that died when I first walked outside of KC the first time -.-