Curse

Shadowlion · Feb 01, 2007, 04:39 AM // 04:39

Why the other Envoy don't use their power to create spirits and fight Shiro directly? I think Shiro is no match for all five of them.
and why the gods chose people that were criminal in life to become Envoy and did not have a way to shackle them from betrayal since they were not good in their human life?

-.- · Feb 01, 2007, 05:42 AM // 05:42

Plot device Mr. Frodo, plot device.

Seriously, I don't know. Might just be a plot device.

Free Runner · Feb 01, 2007, 07:50 AM // 07:50

If you remember the Envoys mention that Shiro is disrupting the balance by killing so many for his own evil plans, so it makes sense they would not go back on what they said and start building constructs themselves.

The Envoys got chosen to serve the Gods as punishment for their wicked deeds. I cant say why they dont do their own thing but i am betting there are rules they were told to follow and they stick with them or perhaps are trying to make up for what they did in life?

Mark Nevermiss · Feb 01, 2007, 09:53 AM // 09:53

The question is why is Abaddon allowed to maintain an envoy after his downfall?

Clord · Feb 01, 2007, 12:01 PM // 12:01

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Originally Posted by Mark Nevermiss

The question is why is Abaddon allowed to maintain an envoy after his downfall?

Because it is just gods power and because other gods left area they can't directly help and need to use their "minions" to help. I think gods pretty much sealed itself out from that world where characters are.

Free Runner · Feb 01, 2007, 04:13 PM // 16:13

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Originally Posted by Mark Nevermiss

The question is why is Abaddon allowed to maintain an envoy after his downfall?

Shiro lost his envoy status as soon as he became mortal. Also we dont know if Abaddon had anything to do with Shiros return - he simply sparked off the event of Shiro killing the emperor and at some point after Shiros death by us Shiro was dumped back in the Realm Of Torment under the very god that started his tormented past.

Maria Moon · Feb 03, 2007, 06:50 PM // 18:50

hmm ya that's true, also in the vinzuha square mission at the last cinematic, the 1 envoy says that they "fight shiro by acting like shiro" so maybe that was their lilttle part in all of it, though i must admit they did do very lilttle to help and only appeared after the heores had won the battle, i think even menhlo says at one stage that he hopes they do more than just watch, but sometimes like stated before , there are just so many loose strings to deal with the envoys that at one stage you just have to accept that that is the way it happened, hmm but i still want to know why did shiro become an envoy in the first place since he was evil,..but then when you look back at how abbadon tricked and lied to him about the emporrer trying to kill, i suppose shiro killed him as it was a matter of survival of the fittest, anyway the envoys, glint and danika annoy me all the time

Free Runner · Feb 03, 2007, 10:41 PM // 22:41

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hmm but i still want to know why did shiro become an envoy in the first place since he was evil

Thats actually why he became an Envoy in the first place - his most evil act in the eyes on of the Canthans - the Jade Wind. Envoys are chosen because of their wicked deeds in former lives so you could call it a punishment. If you look at the Envoys we meet you can instantly tell they are no heros.

You could say it was Shiro just trying to keep himself alive but it would be seen as a wicked deed - slaying an Emperor in cold blood and then causing an event that wipes half a continent out.

Shadowlion · Feb 03, 2007, 11:38 PM // 23:38

Shiro is not a evil guy at the beginning, he was used by Abaddon.
he was confused and had a conflict after the emperor's strange emotion. And did not know kill the emperor will cause so big trouble.
Also, he did horrrible crime in his return,

Guild Wars Guy · Feb 04, 2007, 08:57 AM // 08:57

he wasnt used by abaddon and why does everyone blame things on ABADDON. I remember something saying Once Shiro Was A bodyguard he studied forbidden books and after the wind he studied more and was able to make his constructs

Mark Nevermiss · Feb 04, 2007, 10:56 AM // 10:56

To be honest I think the Factions storyline is full of holes that a junuudu could easily pass through.

In Nightfall we understand that the fortuneteller was a demon sent by Abaddon to manipulate Shiro. We end up destroying that demon in the realm of torment if we take the quest.

After Shiro was killed he became an envoy for Abaddon. Since there were five other envoys: 1 for each of the 5 gods, it stands to reason that Shiro was made an envoy (whose job is to escort dead souls to the mists) for the fallen Abaddon. How would the 5 allow this and entrust the envoy of a fallen god to escort dead souls to the mists?

The question is why did Shiro want to become mortal again? to be able to directly influence the mortal realm without recourse to constructs? thats a load of BS. Here we see Shiro as a spirit killing, and he later killed Togo still being a spirit:

In this screenshot the envoy is talking about a debt owed to them by us? what debt could that be? the way I see it they are the ones heavily in debt to us for doing their dirty work for them.

Free Runner · Feb 04, 2007, 11:23 AM // 11:23

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he wasnt used by abaddon and why does everyone blame things on ABADDON. I remember something saying Once Shiro Was A bodyguard he studied forbidden books and after the wind he studied more and was able to make his constructs

Actually Shiro was being used by Abaddon just has the Lich was in Tyria. When Shiro was a bodyguard he came across the fortune teller who told him the Emperor was going to kill him. Since the fortune teller was Abaddons minion he was used as a way to make Cantha take a blow.

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After Shiro was killed he became an envoy for Abaddon. Since there were five other envoys: 1 for each of the 5 gods, it stands to reason that Shiro was made an envoy (whose job is to escort dead souls to the mists) for the fallen Abaddon. How would the 5 allow this and entrust the envoy of a fallen god to escort dead souls to the mists?

We dont know if Shiro became an Envoy for Abaddon. Again Envoy status gos to those that have done wicked deeds in former lives and what Shiro did was a wicked deed. Chances are Abaddon never came into contact with Shiro at all until he was put away into that special place the Envoys thought could hold him.

Oh and there are not Envoys for each of the gods. Their are probably more of them working on other continents and the Envoys we do see usually are alone.

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The question is why did Shiro want to become mortal again? to be able to directly influence the mortal realm without recourse to constructs? thats a load of BS.

Shiro obviously was pretty insane and obsessed with becomign a mortal again. He was very strong and smart but he seemed to hold on to that fact that what he did to save his life actually killed him.

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In this screenshot the envoy is talking about a debt owed to them by us? what debt could that be? the way I see it they are the ones heavily in debt to us for doing their dirty work for them

Not sure how you missed the debt part. Remember Vizunah Square? where Shiro demonstrated his power by killing 16 heros in seconds without lifting a blade?.The Envoys saw this and realised Shiro must be stopped. And thats where the plot comes into place - they ressurect us and we repay them by taking care of Shiro.

Taala · Feb 04, 2007, 02:10 PM // 14:10

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Not sure how you missed the debt part. Remember Vizunah Square? where Shiro demonstrated his power by killing 16 heros in seconds without lifting a blade?.The Envoys saw this and realised Shiro must be stopped. And thats where the plot comes into place - they ressurect us and we repay them by taking care of Shiro.

Indeed. They even said they require you to stop Shiro in return of resurrecting you back in Vizunah. This also most likely offered protection against Shiro so that he couldn't just snap his fingers and kill you again.

Mark Nevermiss · Feb 04, 2007, 02:16 PM // 14:16

Well yea now that you mention it they did resurrect us there. Bad bad Shiro!!

keli · Feb 05, 2007, 12:07 AM // 00:07

Now we know envoys. The answer for Shiros evil power is that Abaddon gave him "dark" power to corrupt souls (he easily could do this because he was an envoy..).

keli · Feb 05, 2007, 12:09 AM // 00:09

Now we know envoys. The answer for Shiros evil power is that Abaddon gave him "dark" power to corrupt souls (he easily could do this because he was an envoy..). It helps a lot if you do some torment quests.

Shadowlion · Feb 05, 2007, 03:22 AM // 03:22

I guess Shiro can not kill people in his envoy form after they become Weh no Su. That's why he did not kill us in Sunjiang District.

Taala · Feb 05, 2007, 10:42 AM // 10:42

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Originally Posted by Shadowlion

I guess Shiro can not kill people in his envoy form after they become Weh no Su. That's why he did not kill us in Sunjiang District.

I'm fairly sure Master Togo and possibly Mhenlo as well had done that before, and they were killed by Shiro in Vizunah anyway.

Sophitia Leafblade · Feb 05, 2007, 11:20 AM // 11:20

The reason he couldnt kill us in Sunjiang is because he was weakened by our meddling and by exerting his powers. Plus he had things to do, people to kill he couldn't me bothered with us hence why he just left instead.

Taala · Feb 05, 2007, 11:55 AM // 11:55

Or as I jokingly say, his "Kill target and adjacent parties" spell has long recast time.