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SPIRIT OF THE SEA · Jan 31, 2007, 03:59 AM // 03:59

Rather bored decided to post the whole deal on the gods (got info from wiki)

Lyssa twin goddess of beuty and illusion, Melandru goddess of nature and earth, Dwayna goddess of life and air, Balthazar god of war and fire, All 4 were gods along with Dhuum a evil god deafeated by Grenth for the title of god of death and ice.
Abbadon also a god for water and knowledge was departed from the other five gods but was soon deafeated by brave heros who knew the truth that abbadon was evil (end nightfall).His powers was greansfered to Kormir the sunspear marchel, To turn her into the Goddes of truth.
A war has been oging on bettween Balthazar and Menzies, His half brother and leader of the shadow army fighting for controll of the Fissure of woe, A holy place where both Balthazar And menzies were born.

It is said that Abbadon,Menzies, and Dhuum hate the five gods of Tyria and with Abbadon in the lead created the realm of torment to destroy them. Menzies and Dhuum create cretures in the realm of torment giving creddit to Abbadon

There are also other gods such as The Great Dwarf Who is worshiped by dwarfs of the Shiverpeaks. Also the Great Destroyer, Nemisis of the Great Dwarf. The Great Destroyer is worshoped by the Stone summit.

Dervishs are also messengers of the gods and are able to borrow the strengths of gods in there avatar (elite skills of course)

Well tehre ya go bored so your welcome

gilgameshx · Jan 31, 2007, 04:51 AM // 04:51

Any reason why your spelling is off? It would be fine if you just copy and paste from the wiki.

Feme Assassin · Jan 31, 2007, 10:48 AM // 10:48

first of all dhuum was god of death not ice grenth was for ice
second great destroyer is abaddon and great dwarve is balthazar
do a little research and you will find it out

there is another theory that dhuum wasnt a god but a giant like the titans in greek mythology

and another tip alla gods are siblings and took there place from some other creatures that ruled the world which makes the theory that dhuum was giant true

btw why did you made this thread every ''guild wars historian''knows this things

Free Runner · Jan 31, 2007, 05:42 PM // 17:42

Dhuum was the god of death before Grenth overthrew him becoming the god of death and ice (taking his throne in the Ice Wastes. Also the Great Destroyer and the Great Dwarf are for all we know different beings from Balth and Abaddon - they are part of dwarven lore along with The Great Forge.

Dhuum and Menzies already had there armies and jsut sent them to Realm Of Torment in hopes that Abaddon would previel. We know this because Dhuum sent his forces into The Underworld and the Ruins Of The Tomb Of the Primeval Kings and menzies sent his armies into the Fissure Of Woe to fight the Eternals.

Feme Assassin · Jan 31, 2007, 07:49 PM // 19:49

ok destoryer and dwarve are from the dwarven mythology but if you search a bit you will find another name for abandon which is grewt destoryer
we also know that balthazar has some forging skills thats why there is an armor forger and weapon in fow

also we dont know the real name of abandon(abandon was named by the margonites) so in the quest unspeakable unknownable we try to stop an evil dwarvemage of reveling his master(great destoryer)name
despite of that even in real world all religions has similar things for example christ is mentioned in korani like a profet of alax.And in order to seal the name the priest uses balthazate crystals oo another refearance to balthy

the great forge may be fow

and indeed balth(and the rest)fought abaddon a long time ago

also great dwarve is refered as a giant dwarve which means he may be in human size so voila he has the same size as balthy

there is also the exodus in tyria that gods left the world in dwarve mythology great dwarve left the world to go to the heavens ooo another possible connection

the above are enough for me if you have any questions i will be pleased to answer you

Feme Assassin · Jan 31, 2007, 07:53 PM // 19:53

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

Dhuum and Menzies already had there armies and jsut sent them to Realm Of Torment in hopes that Abaddon would previel. We know this because Dhuum sent his forces into The Underworld and the Ruins Of The Tomb Of the Primeval Kings and menzies sent his armies into the Fissure Of Woe to fight the Eternals.

Dhuum is just trying to take his throne back thats why he has minions in uw and tomb he also sends some army in abby's aid but thats all
Menzies has army in fow because he wants to take fow from his halfbrother(see balthy)

Feme Assassin · Jan 31, 2007, 07:54 PM // 19:54

sry for the double post bad lag

Free Runner · Jan 31, 2007, 08:55 PM // 20:55

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Originally Posted by Feme Assassin

ok destoryer and dwarve are from the dwarven mythology but if you search a bit you will find another name for abandon which is grewt destoryer
we also know that balthazar has some forging skills thats why there is an armor forger and weapon in fow

also we dont know the real name of abandon(abandon was named by the margonites) so in the quest unspeakable unknownable we try to stop an evil dwarvemage of reveling his master(great destoryer)name
despite of that even in real world all religions has similar things for example christ is mentioned in korani like a profet of alax.And in order to seal the name the priest uses balthazate crystals oo another refearance to balthy

the great forge may be fow

and indeed balth(and the rest)fought abaddon a long time ago

also great dwarve is refered as a giant dwarve which means he may be in human size so voila he has the same size as balthy

there is also the exodus in tyria that gods left the world in dwarve mythology great dwarve left the world to go to the heavens ooo another possible connection

the above are enough for me if you have any questions i will be pleased to answer you

Abaddon is Abaddons true name...it is not a false name

Also none of that proves anything about the Great Dwarf or the Great Destroyer being Balth and Abaddon. I would also like to point out the Great Dwarf fought the Great Destroyer and won. 2 Gods fought Abaddon and lost..it took all five of them to beat him and the fact the Great Destroyers name cannot be spoken is another thing...

None of the gods are human size...they are giants to Humans.

The Great Forge is where the Dwarves beleive they will go...we see no dwarfs in the Temple Of War (the name of the Forgemasters residence). It is simply the Dwarves version of a type of Hall Of Heros. Oh and the Dwarves believe the Anvil shaped mountain on Anvil Rock was the forge of the Great Dwarf.

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Dhuum is just trying to take his throne back thats why he has minions in uw and tomb he also sends some army in abby's aid but thats all
Menzies has army in fow because he wants to take fow from his halfbrother(see balthy)

I know

. I was just saying it in response to somethign the OP said:

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Menzies and Dhuum create cretures in the realm of torment giving creddit to Abbadon

What i was saying is that Menzies and Dhuums armies had been around for a long time.

Tuner89 · Jan 31, 2007, 11:49 PM // 23:49

I remember hearing a theory some where that Grenth is actually an ascended Mursaat, I have no idea where this came from, but that should be considered in this all as well

which brings up another question: Where exactly did Grenth come from? he sorta jst appeared and defeated Dhuum...

gilgameshx · Feb 01, 2007, 01:18 AM // 01:18

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Originally Posted by Tuner89

I remember hearing a theory some where that Grenth is actually an ascended Mursaat, I have no idea where this came from, but that should be considered in this all as well

which brings up another question: Where exactly did Grenth come from? he sorta jst appeared and defeated Dhuum...

I'm not sure if that's the theory I remembered. But on the gwonline.net lore forums, someone name Quintus Antonius had a theory about the Mursaat and their plan was to become gods themselves. It's a pretty interesting read. You can read it here.

Feme Assassin · Feb 01, 2007, 11:59 AM // 11:59

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

Abaddon is Abaddons true name...it is not a false name

Also none of that proves anything about the Great Dwarf or the Great Destroyer being Balth and Abaddon. I would also like to point out the Great Dwarf fought the Great Destroyer and won. 2 Gods fought Abaddon and lost..it took all five of them to beat him and the fact the Great Destroyers name cannot be spoken is another thing...

None of the gods are human size...they are giants to Humans.

The Great Forge is where the Dwarves beleive they will go...we see no dwarfs in the Temple Of War (the name of the Forgemasters residence). It is simply the Dwarves version of a type of Hall Of Heros. Oh and the Dwarves believe the Anvil shaped mountain on Anvil Rock was the forge of the Great Dwarf.

I know

. I was just saying it in response to somethign the OP said:

What i was saying is that Menzies and Dhuums armies had been around for a long time.

ok i am wrong about the name my bad

but you cant be sure the gods are huge even for humans their statues are but not them and dont forget a god can take multiple formations not just one

despite of that there are other things that prove it the fact that the exodus of the gods may be the exodus of the great dwarf

also look at balth clothes he is dressed for rly cold climates(that doesnt prove anything but i wanted to write it

)

how about the balthazate crystals you use in unspeakble unknowable to seal away the great destroyers real name?
balthazate-balthazar(pretty similar)

they believe it was the forge of their god not the forge they go after life(that is in heavens)

also in fow we see centaurus is there any centaur that was worshiping balth?

it did took all the gods to defeat abaddon i agree but dwarves believe in monetheism(menhlo found this monotheism stupid)so other gods may ruin their entire religion and thats why they only refer to great dwarf

anyway there are still many unanswerd questions about gw story that i am sure we will eventually found out some day till then we can only make hypothesis
but i am sure(my opinion)that great destroyer is abby and great dwarf is balthy

Free Runner · Feb 01, 2007, 04:11 PM // 16:11

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Originally Posted by Feme Assassin

ok i am wrong about the name my bad

but you cant be sure the gods are huge even for humans their statues are but not them and dont forget a god can take multiple formations not just one

despite of that there are other things that prove it the fact that the exodus of the gods may be the exodus of the great dwarf

also look at balth clothes he is dressed for rly cold climates(that doesnt prove anything but i wanted to write it

)

how about the balthazate crystals you use in unspeakble unknowable to seal away the great destroyers real name?
balthazate-balthazar(pretty similar)

they believe it was the forge of their god not the forge they go after life(that is in heavens)

also in fow we see centaurus is there any centaur that was worshiping balth?

it did took all the gods to defeat abaddon i agree but dwarves believe in monetheism(menhlo found this monotheism stupid)so other gods may ruin their entire religion and thats why they only refer to great dwarf

anyway there are still many unanswerd questions about gw story that i am sure we will eventually found out some day till then we can only make hypothesis
but i am sure(my opinion)that great destroyer is abby and great dwarf is balthy

Actually you have me on the God size thing. I remember the story of the canthan hero Karei in which Dwayna took the form of a human. I was basing the size off the fact Abaddon the youngest of the gods appears as a giant from many pieces of art work to the form we fight ourselves. I would think of this giant form as a normal form.

But we say Abaddon alot and it does nothing. And Abaddon is already at work with his Vizier- Titans plot when we enter the Shiverpeaks. Since the Gods went to all the trouble of erasing Abaddon from history for his crime and then putting him away in the Realm Of Torment i dont think they would of been stupid enough to allow his name to break him free.

The Great Dwarf may of left long after the exodus of the Gods or long before. And i also see the Balthazite (sp?) Crystals as being named after Balthazaur to be a simple thing of good vs evil - the good being named after a god so in this case Balthazaur god of fire and war, fitting for the situation. But like you said its all speculation and theory until we get some much more concrete info on this deity.

Feme Assassin · Feb 01, 2007, 04:48 PM // 16:48

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

But we say Abaddon alot and it does nothing. And Abaddon is already at work with his Vizier- Titans plot when we enter the Shiverpeaks. Since the Gods went to all the trouble of erasing Abaddon from history for his crime and then putting him away in the Realm Of Torment i dont think they would of been stupid enough to allow his name to break him free.

as you said gods erased abaddons dids and scripts refering to him and thats what has happened with great destoryer great dwarf erased everything about him and maybe a book with old scripts was passed unoticed and thats why the evil mage tries to recover it in order to reveal his masters name

Free Runner · Feb 01, 2007, 07:28 PM // 19:28

The Great Dwarf banished his name. He did not erase it exactly like the gods did. Abaddon can be spoken because his name wasnt banished it was just covered up (very poorly since there is still a major location named after him).

Feme Assassin · Feb 01, 2007, 09:06 PM // 21:06

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

The Great Dwarf banished his name. He did not erase it exactly like the gods did. Abaddon can be spoken because his name wasnt banished it was just covered up (very poorly since there is still a major location named after him).

banished covered ok there is a difference but in a point it is the same and except abaddons mouth i dont personally know another area named afer abbaddon

Tuner89 · Feb 04, 2007, 07:30 PM // 19:30

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Originally Posted by Feme Assassin

but i am sure(my opinion)that great destroyer is abby and great dwarf is balthy

How on earth did you come up with that? Balthazar and Abbadon have nothing in common at all...

A more likely guess, IMO, ist hat the Great Dwarf is Balthazar and the Great Destroyer is Menzies.
FoW is owned by balthazar, in there is a giant forge (the great forge owned by the god =0) Menzies is constantly trying to destroy this forge, and take it for himself (BOMG DID I SAY DESTROY!?!?)

This can easily lead to Balth = Great Dwarf, Menzies = Great Destroyer

Free Runner · Feb 04, 2007, 07:50 PM // 19:50

Actually i would likely say that Abaddon would be more likely Great Destroyer more than Menzies. Abaddon has alot more similarities to the Great Destroyer than Menzies.

His name was erased from history much like the Great Destroyers which was banished. Abaddon also destroys in his revenge and even his name means it.

Menzies does not want to destroy the Temple of War or any of FoW he just wants to take it over to gain the upper hand over his half brothers Eternals.

keli · Feb 04, 2007, 11:49 PM // 23:49

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Originally Posted by SPIRIT OF THE SEA

Rather bored decided to post the whole deal on the gods (got info from wiki)

Lyssa twin goddess of beuty and illusion, Melandru goddess of nature and earth, Dwayna goddess of life and air, Balthazar god of war and fire, All 4 were gods along with Dhuum a evil god deafeated by Grenth for the title of god of death and ice.
Abbadon also a god for water and knowledge was departed from the other five gods but was soon deafeated by brave heros who knew the truth that abbadon was evil (end nightfall).His powers was greansfered to Kormir the sunspear marchel, To turn her into the Goddes of truth.
A war has been oging on bettween Balthazar and Menzies, His half brother and leader of the shadow army fighting for controll of the Fissure of woe, A holy place where both Balthazar And menzies were born.

It is said that Abbadon,Menzies, and Dhuum hate the five gods of Tyria and with Abbadon in the lead created the realm of torment to destroy them. Menzies and Dhuum create cretures in the realm of torment giving creddit to Abbadon

There are also other gods such as The Great Dwarf Who is worshiped by dwarfs of the Shiverpeaks. Also the Great Destroyer, Nemisis of the Great Dwarf. The Great Destroyer is worshoped by the Stone summit.

Dervishs are also messengers of the gods and are able to borrow the strengths of gods in there avatar (elite skills of course)

Well tehre ya go bored so your welcome

Erm. I heard that the five gods created the realm of torment to close abaddon into it.

Arkantos · Feb 04, 2007, 11:52 PM // 23:52

The spelling makes me want to cry.

Sophitia Leafblade · Feb 05, 2007, 10:44 AM // 10:44

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

Menzies does not want to destroy the Temple of War or any of FoW he just wants to take it over to gain the upper hand over his half brothers Eternals.

I agree, Menzies just likes to War with his half brother. Who better to argue and war with than family. There both warlike with immortal armys that creates a never-ending struggle. IF one won out over the other they would have no one to fight against which would ruin their fun hence why they keep an eternal stalemate. Thats the way they both like it. Menzies ultimate goal probally would be to become in charge the Temple of War like Balthazar currently is but he wouldnt never totally defeat his half brother. He would allow it so they switch round and Balthazar would then take on the role of trying to recapture the Temple.