Curse

Yoom Omer · May 08, 2007, 06:48 PM // 18:48

I was bored so i made a little research about nebu terrace and i red the statue of dwayna story.

"come her charge, doric"
the scriptures of the statue was made 115 BE, that means Doric was alive in 115BE.
now, we know that the bloodstones made after magic was gave, and before god left tyria. gods left tyria in year 0. magic was given year 1 BE. than King Doric must be 130 years old or even more when the bloodstones was made.

the conclusion - Dorik is not a mortal.

What do you say?

Neriandal Freit · May 08, 2007, 07:06 PM // 19:06

That's what it would appear to be, yes, but, ANET (unfortunately) doesn't seem to have the ability (yet) to make sure their story and tales are set properly.

Now, if Doric was indeed Dwayna's charge (chosen?), of course he could easily be immortal and could be living up in the stars with his goddess for all we know. He could also be/have been a proxy to her, countless things that would enable him to be immortal or live ten times the amount of an average human.

Shadow Kurd · May 08, 2007, 07:16 PM // 19:16

Dude what u talking about, the GW story is one of the best story's ive ever seen.

Mournblade · May 09, 2007, 04:08 AM // 04:08

Is there some other research somewhere that tells us what the average lifespan is for a Tyrian? Maybe 130 was middle age to them.

madman24749 · May 09, 2007, 06:11 AM // 06:11

They have magic healing powers and gods favoring them!
So we cant have a clue how old people in tyria get

Sophitia Leafblade · May 09, 2007, 08:56 AM // 08:56

Maybe it was a prophecy written about him before he was born, we know others like that have occurred

*cough Flame Seeker prophecies cough*

Milan-V · May 09, 2007, 07:11 PM // 19:11

He just got ressed, doh.

No serious, I personally think this is a miscalculation.

cellardweller · May 09, 2007, 10:30 PM // 22:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mournblade

Is there some other research somewhere that tells us what the average lifespan is for a Tyrian? Maybe 130 was middle age to them.

Or maybe their planet moves around the sun much faster than hours and 130years is in fact only few weeks

Axagoth Baal · May 10, 2007, 12:39 AM // 00:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoom Omer

I was bored so i made a little research about nebu terrace and i red the statue of dwayna story.

"come her charge, doric"
the scriptures of the statue was made 115 BE, that means Doric was alive in 115BE.
now, we know that the bloodstones made after magic was gave, and before god left tyria. gods left tyria in year 0. magic was given year 1 BE. than King Doric must be 130 years old or even more when the bloodstones was made.

the conclusion - Dorik is not a mortal.

What do you say?

I read something about this on guildwiky, the king Doric u see on the statue is not the same Doric we see in prophecies' story, they just have the same name. King Doric was the name of the first king of all Tyria, when it still was one and only realm (Rin + Orr + Kryta)

Have a look here
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Doric

P.S. GW story is one of the best i've ever seen

Neriandal Freit · May 10, 2007, 01:22 AM // 01:22

It's right, GW Story is one of the best I have ever seen to. But, like all stories, there are things like this (loose ends) none of us truely know anything about. That is what I talk about in my first post to this thread, not dissing the story line. If I was, I wouldn't be playing this game as avidly as I do, nor be a old member of this forum.

Reguardless, I think many questions more will be answered come GW:EN in just a couple of months. Then, we have two years for more answers in updates to be revealed to us in new places to go, new items, new events, etc.

Xiaxhou of Trinity · May 10, 2007, 06:15 AM // 06:15

i have no idea how anybody drew that Neriandal's post was against the GW storyline. You are either A) cannot read or B) relatively new to GW since you don't know about gwen's unfinished story and the dwarf in Kamadan during wintersday (oh the rumors and the cruelty of Anet's great big laugh on that joke lol). Also, is the statue and tablet dated on the event of what is stated or dated on when the statue and tablet was erected? Realize that things may be written about long after they have actually occured. Granted, the writing itself could have been edited to imply Doric lived for so long to further support his "image". Just analysis of the authors eh? Or of course it could just be that Anet did not care much for coordinating the dates?

Blauwe Tomaat · May 10, 2007, 06:35 AM // 06:35

It probably occured before 115 BE. Every one of those statue stories tells us something about one of the gods and then the source, for example Lyssa's writngs, Dwayna's Learnings or whatever. That was written in 115 BE. So we can be fairly sure it happened before that time.

Guildmaster Cain · May 10, 2007, 09:32 AM // 09:32

I knew about this the first time I read the statues, but didnt bother to think about that stuff much.

Anet basically thought up a loose storyline and tries to be vague and let us speculate the parts in between.

If they would make a 100% lore, they would need to spend an incredible amount of time to fill in all the gaps and irregularities. Instead, they let us speculate on things and we will never find out the 'truth' in this fantasy-game.

My guess is, Dwayna gifted him with longevity. Or perhaps, like the Numenor Kings of Lord of the Rings, the Royal bloodline has a natural longevity in their DNA or something.

Yoom Omer · May 10, 2007, 01:22 PM // 13:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blauwe Tomaat

It probably occured before 115 BE. Every one of those statue stories tells us something about one of the gods and then the source, for example Lyssa's writngs, Dwayna's Learnings or whatever. That was written in 115 BE. So we can be fairly sure it happened before that time.

That's just make my conclusion stronger...

To the one which said i'm new to guild wars, no. I'm not. 22 months aren't nothing. and if, like you said, they wrote about something that happen alot of years ago, let's say in 300 BE, that means he was more than 300 years old, which means, i was right.

The one that showed me the wiki about doric, i don't see what's bad there. like i said, doric was alive in 115 BE and in 1 BE.

Neriandal Freit · May 10, 2007, 01:27 PM // 13:27

We can't take out the possibility that Doric your speaking of, isn't a different Doric. For all we know, Doric is a nice name in Tyria (much like Brad, John, etc. are used in America alot) and this isn't the King.

But, if it is, then we have a hundred different questions that have been risen by here. What is it that Dwayna has with the Royal blood line? Often in fantasy settings, if a goddess has interest in the Royal bloodline (one might even use Jesus and God should you be so bold), there is something more to it..

racerx2105 · May 13, 2007, 01:36 AM // 01:36

Well at least to cap it off he couldn't have been more than 205 years old when the exodus occurred. Humans didn't appear on Tyria till 205 BE.

But on a more interesting note and you can do the math if you like. Why is the engraving marked 115BE when the battle didn't happen till right before the exodus. Thats what caused the exodus in the first place, the battle forced the gods to take away magic and step away from the world of humans. So its just a error more than likely that it says 115BE.

But I'm not going to rain on the parade yet because you can't forget what is written at King's Watch.

Founded: Season of the Phoenix, 1 A.E

To endure is greater than to dare;

To keep heart when all have lost it;

To fore go even one's own life when the end is gained;

Who can say this is not greatness?

On this site, more than one hundred years prior, the first king of the new Republic of Ascalon was crowned. It was dedicated, on this, the ninety-fifth day of the year, in the Season of the Phoenix, in honor of the passing of the greatest of all kings. This stone stands in memory to the first of all sons of Ascalon, King Doric. For it is through his sacrifice that we now live on. May his blood have been spilled for the good of all.

So Doric was still crowed well over 100 years prior to the exodus and I doubt he was crowed at the age of 1.

So even if this is another error it still adds to the longevity of Doric. I know this didn't answer the question of why but at least now there is a different angle to look at that no one mentioned yet.

But I do believe Doric was mortal because if such a great king was still alive his royal house would not have been ran out of Kryta by the White Mantle.

Yoom Omer · May 13, 2007, 02:54 PM // 14:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by racerx2105

Well at least to cap it off he couldn't have been more than 205 years old when the exodus occurred. Humans didn't appear on Tyria till 205 BE.

But on a more interesting note and you can do the math if you like. Why is the engraving marked 115BE when the battle didn't happen till right before the exodus. Thats what caused the exodus in the first place, the battle forced the gods to take away magic and step away from the world of humans. So its just a error more than likely that it says 115BE.

But I'm not going to rain on the parade yet because you can't forget what is written at King's Watch.

Founded: Season of the Phoenix, 1 A.E

To endure is greater than to dare;

To keep heart when all have lost it;

To fore go even one's own life when the end is gained;

Who can say this is not greatness?

On this site, more than one hundred years prior, the first king of the new Republic of Ascalon was crowned. It was dedicated, on this, the ninety-fifth day of the year, in the Season of the Phoenix, in honor of the passing of the greatest of all kings. This stone stands in memory to the first of all sons of Ascalon, King Doric. For it is through his sacrifice that we now live on. May his blood have been spilled for the good of all.

So Doric was still crowed well over 100 years prior to the exodus and I doubt he was crowed at the age of 1.

So even if this is another error it still adds to the longevity of Doric. I know this didn't answer the question of why but at least now there is a different angel to look at that no one mentioned yet.

But I do believe Doric was mortal because if such a great king was still alive his royal house would not have been ran out of Kryta by the White Mantle.

I thought he died when the gods made the bloodstones...

racerx2105 · May 14, 2007, 02:04 AM // 02:04

No, it just says they used a drop of his blood to seal each stone. And they also charged him and his descendants with the burden of protecting the stones.

So I assume he finished his rule and the line continued until they started losing site of their purpose. At that point the magic was seeping back into the world and the new countries started forming and his descendants became nothing but a high class family that ruled a somewhat lordship until the charr came at that point they ran.

Pwny Ride · May 19, 2007, 08:15 AM // 08:15

GW:EoTN still has loose ends to tie up. For all we know Doric could have gone into hiding in the northlands