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Avatara · Jan 23, 2008, 01:40 AM // 01:40

Sylvari wouldn't need genders anyways... I mean they grow on trees. No need for sex

shoyon456 · Jan 23, 2008, 08:56 AM // 08:56

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Originally Posted by itsthatkid

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Firstborn

Notice that the article refers to the firstborn Sylvari as 'it'.
I think it will be interesting that Sylvari will only be one gender (feminine).

I also think Charr should only be male... But ehh.

The problem with this is that if they are indeed "it"s, then like you say there is no need for a gender, including feminine. Yet, they concept art is clearly shown to have feminine attributes. It was said before that this could be due to them being created in Melandru's image, but it still begs the question of why do they have these organs if they serve for no purpose?

Either way, I'll be looking forward to this race in particular.

Aubis · Jan 23, 2008, 03:28 PM // 15:28

I wonder if the Dreams of Dreams have a connetion with the gods cause the nigthmare it said the Sylvari hear a dark and evil voice maybe abbadon or the other evil gods

KalleDamos · Jan 23, 2008, 03:32 PM // 15:32

The charr don't have any 'female' concept art does that mean the charr will be a male only race? And seeing as how the Sylvari cannot reproduce would not having a male counterpart be more for the concept of fitting in with the other races who have both a male and female gender?

Hyper Cutter · Jan 23, 2008, 05:09 PM // 17:09

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Originally Posted by KalleDamos

The charr don't have any 'female' concept art does that mean the charr will be a male only race?

Charr have females, we just haven't seen them (the Ecology of the Charr article explained it, iirc)...

itsthatkid · Jan 24, 2008, 11:50 PM // 23:50

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

The problem with this is that if they are indeed "it"s, then like you say there is no need for a gender, including feminine. Yet, they concept art is clearly shown to have feminine attributes. It was said before that this could be due to them being created in Melandru's image, but it still begs the question of why do they have these organs if they serve for no purpose?

Either way, I'll be looking forward to this race in particular.

Well, I don't think the people that make guild wars would go too in depth as to why they have those body parts. It could be merely decoration, eh? I mean, they look rather nice...

Vicks · Feb 06, 2008, 05:23 AM // 05:23

Technically, if they do not reproduce there would be no need for breasts, as they have no young to suckle. Lack of reproduction also implies they are all sterile, so they are probably all devoid of sexual organs no matter if they look more like a human-female or more like a human-male. There's probably going to be Sylvari who resemble either of the human genders but that will be cosmetic differences at best. There's plenty of ways to describe them looking the way they do despite having no actual reason to, evolutionarily. That is to say, why some of them would look curvy and voluptuous ("female) while others to be angular and stocky ("male") when they don't even have a real gender. It could all lie in the mysteries of that seed pod the guy stole from the cave.

The passage says the cave was guarded by plant monsters. Well, those monsters were probably born from those pods. Think of them as "proto-sylvari". The pods must have some capacity to be imprinted upon by what is around them, either magically or physically. Maybe some of Ronan and Ventari's DNA was imprinted on the pods, which had formerly only had the bare vegetation of the cave they were in to imprint. This could have caused the birth of the new race after the pod grew and matured, incorporating this new genetic material into its sprouts.

It could also be magical, which seems fitting given this subconscious dream-like connection between all the Sylvari. Perhaps the seed was imprinted upon in a more mystical nature by the emotions and wisdom of Ventari, and the friendship he had with Ronan. This could have caused it to change into something more pure and gentle than the ones which remained in the harsh and barren cave system.

Either way, whether it was physical, magical, or a combination of the two, if it's imprinted upon by something that has genders then the resulting product will certainly have some residual or vestigial traces of those genders.

Onarik Amrak · Feb 06, 2008, 06:27 AM // 06:27

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Originally Posted by Avatara

No need for sex

So what do they do for fun?

Laughing Bat · Feb 06, 2008, 09:28 AM // 09:28

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

But still, why female AND male if they dont reproduce, whats the point of having both sexes with their respective "parts"? XD

I believe the scientific term is super happy fun time.

Anyways its one of many reasons why you shouldn't change very little to humans and call it a new race(asura and charr ftw!) Personaly I thought the Sylvari concept art looked great and will likely have a male counterpart if for no other reason than to give us more options. I think Vicks gave the best idea for how it would fit into the lore.

Fangclaw · Feb 07, 2008, 03:38 AM // 03:38

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Originally Posted by Laughing Bat

I think Vicks gave the best idea for how it would fit into the lore.

Hard to beat that. XD

ragnagard · Feb 07, 2008, 11:17 AM // 11:17

Nah I will try to explain a bit:

When a male and a female loves theirselves too much, they aproach each other till they are together and (within a time of pleasure, rofl) the male put a little Seed on the female. That seed grows and it turns into a new baby.

Emm and,,, yeah, lol. on the topic.... Boobs should be there for a reason; other than looking for em.

I think that the mysticism about this new race will lead me to directly play with a sylvary even if I can be a female, male or both chars.

PD: If we discuss about boobs on a descendant from melandru... why we dont discuss too why did original melandru has boobs for? :P

Tatile · Feb 07, 2008, 11:37 AM // 11:37

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Originally Posted by ragnagard

PD: If we discuss about boobs on a descendant from melandru... why we dont discuss too why did original melandru has boobs for? :P

Probably originates from the traditional personifications of nature being a female (Gaia for example). Nature and women* give life, so it only makes sense that the two would be connected in lore.

*Traditional, I say. The mother is seen to magically grow a child within and men were quite rightly mystified by this.

ragnagard · Feb 07, 2008, 12:19 PM // 12:19

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Originally Posted by Tatile

Probably originates from the traditional personifications of nature being a female (Gaia for example). Nature and women* give life, so it only makes sense that the two would be connected in lore.

*Traditional, I say. The mother is seen to magically grow a child within and men were quite rightly mystified by this.

I know, just like old fertility icons... good explanation to my question!

Vicks · Feb 08, 2008, 09:46 AM // 09:46

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Originally Posted by ragnagard

PD: If we discuss about boobs on a descendant from melandru... why we dont discuss too why did original melandru has boobs for? :P

As far as I can tell, the gods are supposed to have actual genders because, if Balthazar and Menzies are any indication, they do in fact have familial relationships.

Also, if Grenth and Kormir are any indication, some or all of the gods were originally mortal beings who merely absorbed or inherited some sort of celestial essence, in which case they would probably retain their previous features.