Curse

arsie · Nov 22, 2007, 05:04 AM // 05:04

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I felt Rurik's death was rather empty - he should have at least died by being swarmed by stoen summit dwarves...

He made up for it by dying again swarmed by a bunch of PuG. Haha. Yeah, if he had died fighting, it would've been a glorious cutscene.

Maybe its to show how treacherous the Stone Summit are, to kill him with traps instead of Mano-A-Norno. Rurik would be getting a screenful of yellow numbers using Hundred Blades on a horde of Charr, at least for a few seconds.

Sakura Az · Nov 22, 2007, 07:20 AM // 07:20

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He made up for it by dying again swarmed by a bunch of PuG. Haha. Yeah, if he had died fighting, it would've been a glorious cutscene.

hehe and then remember how very little hesitation that your character has in dealing the final blow to him, he's like end my misery and then you're like BAM and you kill him, not even a second thought.

Zahr Dalsk · Nov 22, 2007, 07:30 AM // 07:30

Palawa Joko for the win. He is, beyond a doubt, my favourite character in Guild Wars. I do hope that when we meet him in GW2 we're able to take his side, because he is just too awesome for us to not be able to.

BenjZee · Nov 22, 2007, 03:49 PM // 15:49

Btw isn't it Jalis not Jalil.
I always thought he was pretty cool and that he would come up in other games.
after THK i thought he would be safe in a stronghold and the he builds up a dwarven defence

Theo Godscythe · Nov 28, 2007, 10:52 PM // 22:52

Best leader is definitely Palawa Joko. Although he did seal my Dervish in stone and left him there for 150 years....

I must also admit Usoku is a good leader, he unites his Empire, and he get's rid of any opposition, both human and non-human. Now the only thing he has to worry about are those huge dragons waking up, no biggie *lol get it big-biggie I crack myself up*

PS read "Your character's story" thread to understand what I mean.

KalleDamos · Dec 12, 2007, 06:26 PM // 18:26

Alright, going with the idea of Kormir interveining and helping Elona from Palawa Jokko, think for a second, when gods make the world their battle ground, we all loose. Look what became of the crystal desert for crying out loud. Most gods in any kind of game/story seem to have a firm rule about directly interveining with their creations. Abbadon broke this by making his followers just as powerful as the followers of all 5 gods. So yeah, gods tend not to make the world their battle grounds, as well as not directly intervine.

But this begs the question, would Kormir not of, with her new powers, seen what Palawa would have done, known where all the dragons were, etc.

Fangclaw · Jan 11, 2008, 11:28 PM // 23:28

and tell the players about their hiding places so they can kill them?
GW2 would be over in a day or so...

Eldin · Jan 12, 2008, 07:12 PM // 19:12

The Gods are so useless in Tyria nowadays.

They have time for stupidity like Wintersday, but no time to help the world from the million-and-one evils?

I gotta admit, Emperor Usoku sounds like the first practical leader. I mean, we all know he's an asshole for turning Cantha into dictatorship, but, finally, someone who decided to kick the Luxons and Kurzicks' asses and get things in check. Good too considering how Cantha was pretty much chock full of problems when we were there (Am Fah, etc).

As long as we play as human chars in GW2, nothing to complain about with this guy.

Mark Nevermiss · Jan 12, 2008, 09:18 PM // 21:18

My favourite leader in GW is King Adelbern. He is a steadfast man. He is not the type to cower behind his men demanding sacrifices whilst he offers none, he beats his men to the forefront of the battle. Even at old age he still has the determination to fight on.

Jalis Ironhammer is probably number 2.

Konig Des Todes · Jan 24, 2008, 04:17 AM // 04:17

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King Adelbern
The archetypical over-the-hill warrior king. He was great once, and his biggest challenge came during his last years.

Depicted to be a stubborn die-hard by Prince Rurik in the first chapter, I think he somewhat redeemed himself somewhat when we went to rescue him in the Titan quests. Leading from the front!.

My opinion:Typical stubborn man, I'd agree with what Rurik thinks of him. I can say he "somewhat" redeemed himself, but only in the aspect of his hate for his son and opening his eyes*second part is a maybe*.

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Prince Rurik
Man of Action, for a while anyway. Depicted as the real hero of Ascalon, by leading the people in a retreat. What? Oh well, heroism is not all about killing stuff.

His decisions are questionable in an "out of a pan into the fire" way. He did make the ultimate (or maybe not) sacrifice for his people. I'm just glad the White Mantle did not take our betrayal out on the Ascalonian refugee.

Unlike many people, I do like Rurik, but he would make a better leader then a warrior, thats for sure. Unlike his father, he knew that there are times to fight and times to retreat, and for all he knew, he wasnt going to be brought back as an undead to fight the players.

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Jalil and Brechnar Ironhammer
Suicidal buggers. (See Thunderhead Keep and Ring of Fire Mission) Nice enough chaps, thought they look completely silly in the movie clips.

Besides their suicidal tendencies, they seem to make level-headed decisions. Not bad as leaders go, while they are alive.

Suicidal? I would disagree, besides, NPCs can't be perfect and Brechnar sacrificed himself so that the players could end a huge threat to both humans and dwarves, an honorable thing to do I say.

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Confessor Dorian and Justicar Hablion
We thought they were good, now they're just throw-away evil characters. Their motivations are unknown, although they could have lived it up in Lion's Arch, instead they were trampsing in the swamp and snow, getting themselves killed.

I don't think this was posted before the BMP came out, but they did START as good guys, but became corrupted by the mursaat and their will to protect their land. In terms as leaders, ignoring being good or bad, I must say that they were decent to say the least, besides if they didn't kill of choosen or go to the shiverpeaks, the mursaat woulda killed them.

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Evennia and Sadira
Typical young rebel leaders. They were doing well until they started messing with forces beyond their understanding.

Handing the Sceptre of Orr to Vizier Khilbron? Not too smart, ladies. In the end, their organisation paid for their failures, and one of them paid with her life. The other is living it up with the Seven Dwarves in S. Shiverspeak. FAIL.

Vizier Hkilbron played them for fools, how were they suppose to know he was evil, the players didn't untill the very end as well. For rebel leaders, its hard to be a "good" leader.

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Vizier Khilbron
Since its the Kingdom of Orr, I assume there's a King of Orr, who has an evil Vizier of the Sinbad mould. That alone drops points for the King of Orr. Shame on you.

As for Vizier Khilbron, his mistake was probably to constantly underestimate players who paid for their game. We'll win eventually. Get that into your thick skull. Got us at every turn though until the end though. Too smart to be a good guy.

Again, the king didnt know Khilbron was evil. Also, the reason why he tried fooling the players so much was because of the flameseeker prophecies, which he did not know the end to *so it seems*.

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Seer and Glint
Enigmatic, so I am not sure if they are actually the good guys. Their granny voiceover kills it for me though. Guides more than leaders.

And for though people wondering why Glint and his descendents won't help us in GW2, take a look in the mirror at what you were doing to get Bonus for Dragon's Lair. Sunny side up for you, sir?

Those two were not ment to be set as leaders, just as guides, and we don't know if glint helps out in GW2 or not, for all we know glint could be the Crystal Desert Dragon. Or maybe she acts like the gods and retreats, ignoring everything around her. Or perhapes she does help out the GW2 players.

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Master Togo
Top bloke, lead from the front all the way to the bitter end. (Except when he gets stuck in Vizunah Square Mission).

He's always right, and made the ultimate sacrifice. 10/10 leader. *Yawn*

I think Togo was the perfect canthan hero, i agree with the 10/10 but not the *Yawn* :P.

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Emperor Kisu
Everyone was quick to use the "N" word to describe his descendant, but lets take a look at the good Emperor for a while.

Ok, Master Togo and a couple of Canthan Peasants praise his good work, but open your eyes. Look at the state of the place and tell me he's a good leader. Sure, he might very well be a benevolent leader surrounded by corrupt officials, but that makes him a failure too.

He does not have a troops to keep the city in order. So no wonder he does not want a protracted war in the distance against the Tengu. Anyway, the Tengu can talk, and are geographically a barrier between the humans and the non-talking Kappa and Nagas. Don't praise his sentient humanoids policies just yet.

Lets not forget that he's descended from an Emperor who allowed himself
to be killed by his super powerful bodyguard.

Who he is descended from and who descends from him has nothing to do on the person your judging. He couldn't keep the city in order because of the plague and the guilds attacking people. He was praised because he was doing everything he could to help people, unlike everyone else in that crummy government.

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Count Zu Heltzer and Elder Rhea
What the heck are you guys fighting over? Both of them are push-overs with regards to their national treasures. Gave it to a bunch of strangers at the urgings of a few foreigners. I'm glad our storage systems aren't run by these guys. Dubious moral leadership.

I agree with that.

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Kormir
She admitted it. Its all her fault, all this Nightfall business. Curiousity got the better of her and she unleashed it on the world. And just to add insult to injury, she gets rewarded for it, instead of us.

Elona deserves Palawa Joko just for that reason. Curse ye Gods! The first thing WE would've done if we became a God is to feed Palawa Joko to Aijundu. (ok, maybe not, we all love Palawa Joko.)

Notice how she never fights when she's in the missions with you? At least give us some Shouts! All she taught me was how to use the Ressurect Signet, and everything else she did was either wrong or dubious.

Again, agree.

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Elder Suhl and Co.
Bunch of blame-shifting softies. They deserve their Corsairs and monsters. Leeching beaurocrats! I hope Palawa Joko got you!

Agree.

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Warmarshal Varesh and her Generals
We never even got a chance to think they were good. Varesh is too pretty to be evil, although the extra eyes became a bit disturbing after a while.

The fact that the Kournans on the ground were not interested in the fight is obvious. Varesh and Co. were foiled as often by their own Kournan troops as by us. Think about it. Poor detached leadership and a failure to bring the populace alone with their policies.

Agree.

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The Princes of Vabbi
They whimpered, they promised, they ran and hid, and eventually were cajoled into helping. Two of them had throw-away personalities, but Prince Bokka the Magnificent rocked.

Typical autocrats, taking care of themselves first, and hiding their heads in the sand when trouble comes. Their only good decision is in the fashion sense for their soldiers.

Agree.

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Palawa Joko
A sparkle in a sea of characters that lacked personality. So what if he is an evil undead tyrant, we love him.

He was decent to us, as well. So what if he wants to rule the Desolation, its not as if anyone else wants to be there, except to farm SS/LB points.

Crafty bugger made us do ALL his reconstruction work for him. Thats astute thinking. Obviously the undead are as lazy as humans without his leadership. And if he's able to band them all together again to threaten the world, all the power to him.

Agree.

Overall, I think you purposly went on negatives except for Joko. Also, the NF leaders did seem like the crappiest leaders *except for Joko*.

Vicks · Jan 24, 2008, 05:16 AM // 05:16

Hmmm... well... if I think about it there really is only one leader in all of Guild Wars who can actually be called a good leader.

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THE PLAYER!

Desman · Jan 30, 2008, 10:38 AM // 10:38

I'ts just way u think who is good leader, in main story comes various leaders but most of them get killed^^ I prefer Rurik (fiery dragonsword FTW) but i also like tyria most so it might be from my start in tyria.

Kerwyn Nasilan · Feb 10, 2008, 10:07 PM // 22:07

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I felt Rurik's death was rather empty - he should have at least died by being swarmed by stoen summit dwarves...

Acually If I recall correctly he "died" being swarmed by us

Numa Pompilius · Feb 11, 2008, 03:14 AM // 03:14

Didn't Rurik technically desert, and commit treason, both in a time of war?
I remember being very unwilling to follow him as he went AWOL and led civilans and parts of the army (thereby weakening Ascalons defence) in a very poorly planned escape. Would we have considered Patton a great leader if he, in 1942, had defied Roosevelts orders and fled with the western task force to Argentina instead of fighting Rommel?
And, to continue the analogy he fled at the request of Vichy France (White Mantle), and without securing safe passage first.

Also, in a stroke of tactical brilliance he fled with those civilians and parts of the army FROM level 8 charrs THROUGH level 10 dwarves TO level 14 gargoyles. Let's hope the civilians levelled during the trip.

No, I don't think I can sign on him being a great leader.

His finest hour was no doubt in the Nolani mission, where he briefly was both useful and ran in the right direction.

The one ascalonian leader, apart from Adelbern, I have any confidence in is Captain Greywind.

Lishy · Feb 11, 2008, 03:40 AM // 03:40

General Morgahn is pretty cool.Hes like Mullen from Grandia.
Also, FYI paragon heroes are GODLY!

Eldin · Feb 11, 2008, 08:31 PM // 20:31

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The one ascalonian leader, apart from Adelbern, I have any confidence in is Captain Greywind.

I agree. Also Master Armin Saberlin, and possibly Sir Tydus.

All three of them were always busy keeping things in check when we saw them, and gave some pretty nice quests too. I was really hoping we'd see more of them past Ascalon.