Curse

Eldin · Jan 23, 2006, 01:12 AM // 01:12

The charr do worship the power of the flame, perhaps they...started the Flameseeker Prophecies? Such prophecies are too mysterious, we need some actual phrases from it. Also, what of the seer's race? Glint has had those eggs for thosuands of years, you think we'd have miniglints running around, unless there are miniglints running around (that become the bone dragons in some missions...?).

MMSDome · Jan 23, 2006, 01:15 AM // 01:15

i wish the 4 seasons had an effect on the world of Tyria:

Season of the Zephyr
Season of the Phoenix
Season of the Scion
Season of the Colossus

Eldin · Jan 23, 2006, 01:27 AM // 01:27

That may be a bit hard to manage, since it'd be like 4 "wintersdays". If it had a global effect, like over all areas in the game, that'd be ridiculous. Maybe in capital cities...

generik · Jan 23, 2006, 04:44 AM // 04:44

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Originally Posted by Ellington

This isn't so much a storyline issue, but I've always thought it was kind of strange that soldiers in a well-coordinated army like the Mursaat or Stone Summit will stand idly by while their comrades are being slaughtered, unless the fight comes within about fifty yards. Are they just that lazy? :\

Yes, it happens when you are working for the government.

koneko · Jan 23, 2006, 09:01 AM // 09:01

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Originally Posted by generik

Yes, it happens when you are working for the government.

Not if you work for the Russian government, though. Phew. Try being lazy then :|

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Originally Posted by MMSDome

what bugged me is they never thought to tell us why they were at the war with the charr.

I always assumed it was just a simple case of Man vs. Nature...people exploit the kitties for their fur coats, kitties get angry and eat people, people hunt kitties out of revenge, kitties harness the power of fire and burn people, blah blah blah...

BBoy_Manchild · Jan 23, 2006, 09:34 AM // 09:34

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Originally Posted by Andy_M

To be honest, does ANY MMORPG (or whatever GW is defined as this week) have a decent plot ? Nice way to turn a funny post about the plot into a trashing of the game by the way...

the plot for endless ages was awsome, it was all out war between the frogs, humans, and grobic

Kook~NBK~ · Jan 23, 2006, 10:12 AM // 10:12

As for Rin - it's actually SOUTH of the wall, south of Nolani Acadamy. It's natural that the capital city is not necessarily the capital - Washington DC is not that big, for example.

Now why Nolani (or any of the other locations) are North of the wall is what I don't get.

As for Markis, you learn that he is behind the sinking of Evinea's ship in Sanctum Cay - That's revealed at the cut scene with the Visier (Who's already GOT a scepter of Orr before you give the one you've got to him - why does he need two?) half way through the mission.

Eldin · Jan 23, 2006, 08:20 PM // 20:20

To fill in the vizier-already-having-scepter plothole, ArenaNet will say...

"He's got a cheap imitation of it, and hoped it would be good enough to rule Tyria. Alas, it isn't good enough, and he has to spend time weaving his stupid liar identity to get the real thing."

Surmia's Academy is north of the wall, too. Makes me wonder why Stormcaller is there in the charr lands...unless it wasn't always there and magically went poof and appeared there. The charr could have broken down that door the entire time, like they do after we flee through the portal to Nolani. But I guess they don't think a horn that makes it rain on an already-lost city is worth being destroyed or stolen or anything.

Ayres_Spellbinder · Jan 23, 2006, 08:57 PM // 20:57

You know, I never really thought about the storyline till now. I was just like a sheep being hearded through the missions. I'm still trying to figure out how Chap 2 is going to relate into Chap 1.

benmanhaha · Jan 23, 2006, 09:36 PM // 21:36

Storm caller was stupid. It was supposed to save Rin, but it didn't do jack. I wish I hasn't skipped so many cutscenes, I would probably know what was going on.(stupid peer pressure to skip the cutscenes)

Drake Ditheon · Jan 24, 2006, 12:33 AM // 00:33

OK, so you have the Lich, who wants the Scepter so he can raise and control the Titans. Then you have the Charr which also seem to worship the Titans (they fight together in the Last Days of Dawn quest).

The Lich wants to use the Charr to help raise the Titans. But it looks like the Titans can only be raised from the Fire Islands in the south. The Charr are from the north (I guess) and really, are just trying to get down to the Fire Islands to help raise them.

But Ascalon stands in the way with their Great Northern Wall. The Charr were stuck North of Ascalon and couldnt move south. So I think the Lich helped them destroy the wall and most of Ascalon. The Charr also tried to move south through Kryta (possibly to help find the Scepter

), but were defeated by the White Mantle.

The White Mantle worship the Unseen Gods, also known as the Murrsat. The Murrsat have a Flameseeker Prophecy that states a chosen one will release the Titans. The the Murrsat order the White Mantle to find the chosen ones and kill them. The only thing that can really defeat the Murrsat are the Titans. This is why there are tons of Murrsat and forts, etc on the Fire Islands - they are guarding the Titan front door thingy.

Anyways, we as the players are naive and stupid, like the Shining Blade. We see the White Mantle as evil (which in a case they are) and fight against them and the Murrsat. Meanwhile the Murrsat are just trying to stop us from releasing the Titans. We end up helping the Lich by getting him the Scepter and releasing the Titans. Then we're like oops

, my bad and try to clean up the Titans.

Just my theory on the story.

Jack Lost · Jan 24, 2006, 01:25 AM // 01:25

this was weird but if you do the cutscene in nolani or the one with stormcaller and have prince rurik selected, and then have the cutscene cut-off at some point in the cutscene where rurik does the storm-caller thing, you should be able to see what it does actually.

p.s. if you arent able to do it stormcaller is a skill and it cuts the charrs health by 100

Eldin · Jan 24, 2006, 01:26 AM // 01:26

That all seems right. In truth, though, in the past, the charr attacked Orr. For the scepter, perhaps? But why? This was before the cataclysm, and before Khilbron became The Lich Lord. Unless the charr also know of the prophecies and had planned things accordingly (suicide attack into Arah so that Khilbron blows everyone up to continue the flow of events that are supposed to happen in the prophecy, lol). You are definitely right about the mursaat on the ring of fire islands. They are very well aware that, according to the prophecy, if the titans are unleashed, they're screwed. So, they erected these gates and fortresses to guard the Door of Komalie. Pre-searing does have that statue of a titan north of the wall, so the charr definitely worship them.

My idea on some bits:

Post-Searing Ascalon: The Charr are trying to get by Ascalon, either to conquer it or to simply make their way to Kryta for the scepter, or perhaps to aid the Lich Lord, like Drake said. After fooling around to stop them, and then we have stormcaller as a total ripoff, and the conflict between Rurik and Adelbern, we set off into the shiverpeaks.
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Clearly, the main parts we are not truly sure of...

If the mantle and mursaat have any reason to attack us and the shining blade, and sacrifice the chosen other than to prevent the prophecy. Wtf was with that eye, also, as chosen, why were we not taken away with the other group to bloodstone fen? I remember the shining blade intervene...then again, I don't really remember if they capture us too or not. But we do end up in maguuma, so, perhaps. Glint, the seer, a few scribes (like Meerak), the mursaat, possibly the mantle, Lichie, and a few others know the full prophecy? We've still no idea as to the entire truth of these prophecies other than the entire titan and scepter scenario.

Markaedw · Jan 24, 2006, 01:39 AM // 01:39

That just about covers it, except that if the mursaat would have been more up front about their role we would have saved everybody the trouble and went after the lich first.

For instance. Post searing, Mursaat comes floating by "n00bs, you are so pwned by the charr, you know why? The undead lich helped them because he wants to raise uber lvl monters down in the fire islands. Why don't we go down there and lay a beating on this lich!"

Eldin · Jan 24, 2006, 02:05 AM // 02:05

It's like Halo...instead of preventing the prophecy/activating the ring, they have the protagonist do it. Lazy bums.

The npc in Hell's Precipice outpost, when you ask what to do, he says "Catch that lich." Yeah, everybody knows you should "Go get the lousy lich for pete's sake instead of travelling all over Tyria switching alliances and junk." But then we wouldn't be going to many places, and Rurik might have never died, we'd have no idea how the stone summit are doing against the Deldrimor, plus we'd be lvl 7s or so and get pwnd at the ring of fire.

SisterMercy · Jan 24, 2006, 02:17 AM // 02:17

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Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~

... the cut scene with the Visier (Who's already GOT a scepter of Orr before you give the one you've got to him - why does he need two?) half way through the mission.

=========Spoiler warning for those who haven't finished========

Of course, there's that cut-scene after you give the scepter to the Vizier and well before you find out he's the Lich, in which we see the Lich carrying it.

Bye bye surprise ending.

Excer · Jan 24, 2006, 03:22 AM // 03:22

well actually if you watch the cut scene at the end of abbadon's mouth, you'll know that the Lich planned to take over the entire world, not just kill the mursaat. so you can see the mursaat and white mantle are actually just trying to save the world. they'd rather sacrifice the people they think are the chosen then have everyone killed, but the shining blade dont know about the titans and junk so they think the mantle are evil and try to stop them. although it is kinda weird that justicar hablion would talk in that evil voice and wish we had died in that cut scene in bloodstone fen before he even knew we were about the betray him

Theory 1: about the charr. we know they worship the titans. so they just did the weird ritual thing you see in the cut scene after the pre-post mission and the titans gave them the power to destroy ascalon. why? because the charr like to kill people...there doesnt have to be a complex and elaborated reason for everything you know

Theory 2: the lich knew part of the prophecy but not the whole thing. he didnt get the part where it says the flameseeker would die at the end

but he did know the chosen come from ascalon and that in order for them to start on the path to freeing the titans, they must leave their homeland, and thus ascalon must be destroyed. so he gave the charr the power to create the searing.

Brianna Heartfire · Jan 24, 2006, 04:24 PM // 16:24

Well, actually, more like nature vs. nature. Basically you've got two top predators, in this case humans and charr, competing for the same territory. Things escalated. Both sides have now tried their best to wipe each other out. Neither side is going to dare try to stop fighting now, because the winner is certainly going to annihilate the loser. Not much to hope for in that scenario.

Eldin · Jan 24, 2006, 09:52 PM // 21:52

Makes sense that the titans gave the charr the power to cause The Searing. I mean, perhaps they are aware of the prophecy as well? Thustly, the charr had to start the searing in order to destroy Ascalon, and later (Nolani's ending cutscene) drive the chosen out of Ascalon, so they'll begin their quest to get Lichie the scepter and open the door, etc...but the titans most likely gave them the power to destroy Ascalon in order to set the prophecy events in motion.

Fantomvz · Jan 25, 2006, 02:21 AM // 02:21

Didn't mean to flame the game and all, but just talk about the fact.

About the "Charr", well there is an NPC in the "Gates of Kryta".

Where she talk about “Charr” had attack three Human Kingdoms, which are Ascalon, Kryta, and one other. (Can’t remember the name…)

And that “Other Kingdom” fell first, and Kryta was on the edge getting destroyed. That when “Mursaat” come over organized “White Mantle” – (The new Kryta Military). And push “Charr” out of Kryta.

With that says, I would expect “Charr” is either Nature vs. Nature. Or a fault creation by the Lichie…lol

Anyway I will try to post the some screen shot, where that NPC talk about all this.

BTW very nice posts loved +).