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Konig Des Todes · May 26, 2008, 02:41 AM // 02:41

Dru, I don't think thats possible, as Dhuum is still VERY lively, as he is waging war on Grenth.

Dru Stratas · Jun 05, 2008, 04:58 PM // 16:58

Yeah, very true, however if gods are all powerful, could Dhuum not've altered his Aspect to cope with such a major blow, its all very old norse, but I mean, is it not possible?

Turtle222 · Jun 05, 2008, 08:30 PM // 20:30

hmm could be a faun?

Lakdav · Jun 06, 2008, 06:40 PM // 18:40

I dont think Grenth's skeletal face is a mask of some sort. Remember, he despises illusions and deceptions, and a mask is clearly the hiding of the true face. I dont get the point of the Gaki-theory either...As far as i have met gakis, they were pathetic foes...also not as tall (compared to the size of head) as Grenth. I dont think he was human either. 1st for the skull and then just the concept: To become a god of death starting as a mortal, u should accept and even worship death, but with Dhuum being a cruel god of death, its not likely possible. My vote is for the 'deity of the Mists'-theory. His physical appearance might be an instrument of what people fear the most. A skeletal face (decay) and not even a human skull (nothing to do with human values, thus u gain no symphaty).

Kallesh · Jun 11, 2008, 01:40 PM // 13:40

I have always assumed it to be a mask, not his actual face.. Masks being worn by Death, and even more often Necromancers, is very prevalent in fantasy literature.
The most well known example is Kel'thuzad from Warcraft, a character worked on by many of the Anet team leaders while working for Blizzard.
http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:WC3Necromancer.jpg

Ubin4 · Jun 11, 2008, 05:09 PM // 17:09

maybe its dhuum skull that he took as a trophy

Dru Stratas · Jun 11, 2008, 05:36 PM // 17:36

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Originally Posted by Ubin4

maybe its dhuum skull that he took as a trophy

That's what I said.

On the point that Grenth may not be human, what could he have been?-- this is why I say it could be a mask, and it still could be Dhuums mask, but thats looking less likely.

Mister_Smiley · Jun 12, 2008, 06:59 PM // 18:59

If you read about Grenth, it tells you about his history. Quoted "He has defeated Dhuum, the former god of death, in such an easy way that, "It was humiliating." as Dhuum had said, in the Realm of Torment."

also note "Monuments to Grenth portray him with the body of a man and the narrow skull of a beast"

Konig Des Todes · Jun 13, 2008, 12:06 AM // 00:06

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Originally Posted by Mister_Smiley

If you read about Grenth, it tells you about his history. Quoted "He has defeated Dhuum, the former god of death, in such an easy way that, "It was humiliating." as Dhuum had said, in the Realm of Torment."

also note "Monuments to Grenth portray him with the body of a man and the narrow skull of a beast"

Yes Mister Smiley, thank you for stating out what the whole thread has been about. You answer nothing. I wish people would take their +1's elsewhere >.<

Kallesh · Jun 14, 2008, 12:30 PM // 12:30

I don't think he was looking for a +1 i think he was just...well stupid ^^
On topic though.
I really think this is reading too deep into it, like far too deep.
He either was some goat creature or its a trophy mask.
Dhuum is likely to have an insectiscoid dryder look, not a goats head.

Sleeper Service · Jun 14, 2008, 09:46 PM // 21:46

Its a little know fact that Grenth challenged Dhuum to a final game of polymock on his deathbed.

On being bested with the Gaki piece Dhuum cursed Grenth with its face as he fell into the Underworld.

The other gods tactfully avoid mentioning the game when Grenth is about....he gets quite uptight about it.

Mister_Smiley · Jun 15, 2008, 02:52 AM // 02:52

Wasn't looking for a +1 and calling me stupid is well......

My theory is that that Grenth comes from a race that since had died out or was orginal worked for Dhuum and saw what he was doing and did what he did. of course this is just a theory.

I really think that we haven't even seen the TRUE forum of the gods, since a lot of information has been lost we most likely never find out or will find out in GW2.

Konig Des Todes · Jun 15, 2008, 03:01 AM // 03:01

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Originally Posted by Mister_Smiley

I wasn't looking for a +1 and i'm not stupid, i was just pointing out some GOOD points. Grenth isn't a charr(way to skiny to be one and his shap dosn't fit it), seeing that his mask dosn't look like a charr one also, it is most likey a Trophy like Kallesh said. I still think he is a Human, he just looks too much like a human.

I also want to point out, that because they are Gods and we have yet to see there REAL forum, they could look total differenet.

and again, I say, that you basically summarized the entire thread, except for the whole Gaki idea.

Kerwyn Nasilan · Jun 15, 2008, 03:37 AM // 03:37

It is a mask If you look at alot of his shrines he has a humanoid face, didnt the manuscipts say something about it being a mask too?

Amen Henn · Jul 21, 2008, 09:55 AM // 09:55

I don't think it's a mask o.o Grenth champions the casting off of illusions... the thought that one will never die being the greatest illusion of all. so I believe his bestial skull-face is a symbol that the world is at it's core cruel and we shouldn't put our trust is asthetics. As for the overthrowing of Dhuum I'm certain that Abaddon and Dhuum were almost like the Titan of Greek Lore. Being extremely primal with no rhyme or reason to what they do. Abaddon for instance has really no mplan or no motivation than to end existence and make all thing that were once known secrets. Dhuum was probably an absolutionist... meaning he believed all things either didn't deserve to live or were being saved from hardship by death.

Konig Des Todes · Jul 21, 2008, 06:29 PM // 18:29

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Originally Posted by Amen Henn

As for the overthrowing of Dhuum I'm certain that Abaddon and Dhuum were almost like the Titan of Greek Lore. Being extremely primal with no rhyme or reason to what they do. Abaddon for instance has really no mplan or no motivation than to end existence and make all thing that were once known secrets. Dhuum was probably an absolutionist... meaning he believed all things either didn't deserve to live or were being saved from hardship by death.

I disagree with what you said about Abaddon. He does have a plan pretty much, and there is nothing towards him wanting everything to be a secret, if anything, I would say he wants nothing to be a secret, as he is revealing himself to the world, the biggest secret of the True Gods.

Abaddon's plan was, in it's simplest form, revenge on the True Gods, and to free himself from his prison, not just destruction of everything. Also, by revealing his presence, and his powers, he in turn gives more knowledge out, like how he gave too much magic out when he distributed magic.

If Dhuum was primitive like you suggest, then I would say that Arachnia, if it's to be believed as it did exist, and if it was Abaddon's predecessor like I believe, then it would be Arachnia, not Abaddon, who was primitive and "primal" along-side Dhuum, and possibly other gods.

natmarie21 · Aug 16, 2008, 04:32 PM // 16:32

what if grenth was a gaki who died and became a mummy type thing explaining the skeletal mask/face, it would also contribute to the fact that he's the god of death.

viper11025 · Aug 18, 2008, 01:18 AM // 01:18

*Cough* Maybe Guild Wars 2 will explain this?
*Choke* Ughhh, Lets have the gods fight each other. If there as weak as abbadon, it might not last too long. (YES I KNOW He wasent at full strength in NF)

XD

draxynnic · Aug 18, 2008, 02:23 AM // 02:23

To nitpick, I don't think Abaddon was trying to get out of his prison - he was trying to expand it while sucking everything else in.

viper11025 · Aug 18, 2008, 02:37 AM // 02:37

Indeed.
XD
A big battle cutscene would rox