Curse

Azael Durge · Feb 23, 2008, 03:46 PM // 15:46

So we all know that it is possible to become a god by deafting one then absorbing said gods power, such as Kormir has done to Abbadon and Grenth to Dhumm.
My question is, do you think Grenth could be a charr? The skull certainly isnt human.

Danius · Feb 23, 2008, 03:51 PM // 15:51

If Grenth was a Charr, he would be a Charr god...

Balthazar and the Goddess of Truth are the only two 'human' gods.

Tatile · Feb 23, 2008, 03:52 PM // 15:52

Grenth is no longer human, and has been around for a fair while. Given the power the Gods seem to have, perhaps he chose to change his appearance, or in the strange way that mythology and worship works, his followers changed his appearance?

Maybe he was a goat, too bad we can't ask him

Free Runner · Feb 23, 2008, 10:47 PM // 22:47

Charr hate the 6 gods altogether. I doubt one would go through the trouble of defeating and becoming one of them.

Its true Grenth could of changed his form to be more death like. However if he didnt whatever he was it wasnt human. He reminds me of a Gaki.

mazey vorstagg · Feb 24, 2008, 08:24 AM // 08:24

I agree with Gaki,

Look:
http://gw.gamewikis.org/images/e/e8/...ungry_Gaki.jpg
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Image:G...al_Gandara.jpg

although, it is interesting if he was a gaki as they're very rare and currently mysterious creatures. If he's a gaki then they must be as intelligent as humans.

Eldin · Feb 24, 2008, 03:37 PM // 15:37

I still believe that the Gods' true forms, if they have one, are not necessarily human. Naturally as us humans look on them as great beings, we imagine them as being very visually appealing and so we depict them in our statues and murals (remember they are the works of us humans) as appearing in the form most familiar and appealing to us - other humans.

But yeah, I have always questioned why Grenth's mural has that odd skull. Perhaps it's the skull of some creature that symbolizes everything Grenth stands for?

Or maybe it's one of those generic bull skulls you see in deserts in the cartoons.

Azael Durge · Feb 24, 2008, 04:52 PM // 16:52

Oh, it definatly resembles the gaki more than the charr. I have never seen, or at least noticed, the gaki before.
And as for the whole "They arent human but look like that because it appeals to use." thing i dont go with that idea really, Abbadons murals look pretty close to the imprisoned Abbadon.

draxynnic · Feb 25, 2008, 03:02 AM // 03:02

On the other hand, the god avatars (the ones that appear at shrines, to a much lesser extent the ones a Dervish transforms into) aren't the result of human artwork, and at least a couple of those appear human - implying that if there is an element of humanocentrism in depicting those gods as human, it's one that the gods themselves have done nothing to dispel. It's also worth mentioning that the old gods did actually live on Tyria once, and that people back then may actually have seen the gods in order to make depictions of them.

'Course, there's nothing to say that the gods can't take whatever form is convenient at the time, so what humans think they are may have absolutely nothing to do with who they really are.

shoyon456 · Feb 25, 2008, 03:26 AM // 03:26

oh wow, the gaki thing is something i never thought of before...

At any rate, I doubt Grenth was human. Seems to me that Grenth became a God before humans were put/born in tyria, Ill have to check wiki/game manual though to confirm that

Operative 14 · Feb 25, 2008, 07:56 AM // 07:56

If we're going by looks alone, perhaps Grenth is a Mursaat?

Though I have to agree, I've never seen a Gaki before (never really delved into Echovald myself) but they do bear a visible resemblance to Grenth.

Mechz · Feb 25, 2008, 09:11 AM // 09:11

The Gods used to roam the lands. Remember that guy who beat Balthazar in a boardgame, and got his skull crushed for it? x]

In other words, the depictions of the Gods may not be entirely off.

Sophitia Leafblade · Feb 25, 2008, 02:52 PM // 14:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danius

If Grenth was a Charr, he would be a Charr god...

Balthazar and the Goddess of Truth are the only two 'human' gods.

I would say Dwayna, Melandru and Lyssa are also represented as 'human' gods, Grenth is the only real one that is never fully humanized especially due to his mask/face.

Having said that Melandru seems to be the template for the Sylvari as presumably her Ascension to God-hood has evolved her into that form over the eons. Presumably the longer you are a god the less human like you become (Abaddon being the oldest of all the gods until his defeat, and his replacement being the most human like god as she is the youngest)

RiKio · Feb 25, 2008, 05:49 PM // 17:49

I think Grenth is a cross of:
-A goat
-A drunken necromancer with no idea of what is he doing with the goat.

B. Dent · Feb 27, 2008, 07:51 AM // 07:51

I believe the goat head/skull to be a just a mask or a representation of of the qualities that are associated with death. ie.
goat=stubborn
death= stubborn
or like how in some cultures the family members of the recently dead would have mask cast of the person's face. or like how the sarcophaguses(sp?) had a face on them. or something like that.

[M]agna_[C]arta · Feb 27, 2008, 01:00 PM // 13:00

Dwayna is the oldest, She created Melandru and Balth, She's the Mother.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Dwayna

Dunno with, Dhuum nor Abaddon, So Abaddon isn't the First XP, ^^.

Free Runner · Feb 27, 2008, 04:27 PM // 16:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by [M]agna_[C]arta

Dwayna is the oldest, She created Melandru and Balth, She's the Mother.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Dwayna

Dunno with, Dhuum nor Abaddon, So Abaddon isn't the First XP, ^^.

Could you possibly point us to the information regarding Dwayna creating Balth and Melandru because i dont think i have ever come across that. And if i had i would of been sure to remember it.

In fact its never said anything about Balthazar or Melandru being created.

Gmr Leon · Feb 27, 2008, 08:11 PM // 20:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by B. Dent

I believe the goat head/skull to be a just a mask or a representation of of the qualities that are associated with death. ie.
goat=stubborn
death= stubborn
or like how in some cultures the family members of the recently dead would have mask cast of the person's face. or like how the sarcophaguses(sp?) had a face on them. or something like that.

A good observation, really. I think that Grenth is simply wearing the skull as a mask as pagan cults involved with the worship of death would have the priest wear a skull over his/her face.

Big G · Feb 28, 2008, 06:17 PM // 18:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by B. Dent

I believe the goat head/skull to be a just a mask or a representation of of the qualities that are associated with death. ie.
goat=stubborn
death= stubborn
or like how in some cultures the family members of the recently dead would have mask cast of the person's face. or like how the sarcophaguses(sp?) had a face on them. or something like that.

I agree, that's what I was thinking about, it's just a mask, apparently it looks like a skull of a cow, and for me it resembles death.

^
Cows skull

right? ;P

Fangclaw · Mar 05, 2008, 07:13 PM // 19:13

Thats right... I looked at the wiki, but didnt find anything. Maybe you confused it with the lore of another MMO, or real-life Mythology (Greek, for instance...).

I believe that Grenth is either a human wearing a mask, or the representant of a long-gone species. Who knows? Dont gods have all kinds of powers? Including the one to change their appearance...

Eldin · Mar 05, 2008, 08:23 PM // 20:23

The mask probably symbolizes something, though in his statue Grenth just looks like an old man wearing robes and with funky facial hair.

Remember, there is speculation that Abaddon may have worn a mask.

If Grenth is supposed to resemble death in the least, his face is probably INCREDIBLY unpleasant looking...