Curse

Karuro · Nov 05, 2008, 06:48 PM // 18:48

The light version is just an invert of the original black version. Got a "whole" copy here:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...023_551726.jpg

Taking a closer look at the cut-off version..
It looks like the circle has been copied and enlarged, so its a circle in a circle.

So on that note, maybe we're supposed to see that one as looking down a tube.
Or to be more precise, see it as "Layers" on top of each other.

Konig Des Todes · Nov 05, 2008, 08:47 PM // 20:47

I can't agree with the tube or layers idea, because if it were layers or a tube, one end would be different then another, not the exact same.

I think the copy/paste affect was done to make it look more complicated then it actually is, to confuse people in order to prevent people from solving out how to use the map, and the real map being the white version. The fact that the black version isn't in the gw.dat but the white version is, is further support for that, in my opinion.

Edit: Something I noticed on the white version:

"Mors" and "Toro" (still think that's what it says) are at opposing sides of the circle, similar to the two bigger symbols within the circle (the one with the bubble and the one that looks like the Eye of Janthir). Along with that, "The World of Tyria" looks a bit more like "The World of Toro" to me (the last word seems to have 4 letters, and none goes lower then the rest like a y would). "The World of Toro" and "Mors" are on opposing sides of the symbol (that is in that edge piece) that is also in the center of the circle, just like the two symbol I mentioned.

Because of this, I believe that those two symbols represent worlds/dimensions called "Mors" and "Toro," while the center represents Tyria. One of which, whenever looks like the Eye of Janthir, could be the Mursaat homeworld (IF, and that's a big if, Quintus' hypothesis on the Mursaat being inter-dimensional is correct, which I still doubt).

I still do not know what the smaller circles are, however, I believe that they may be "smaller" worlds - which is why their size is smaller, they represent smaller things. I believe that many of the smaller symbols are repeated along the edges, but I cannot tell with them being small as they are, my print outs being cut off at the edges of Mors/Toro (which prevent me from having a good close look without hurting my eyes), and the quality being poor.

Also, since I apperently did not mention this before, the 5 big symbols at the bottom of the bottom right edge, I believe are symbols for the Five True Gods, Balthazar, Melandru, Lyssa, Dwayna, and Grenth (in that order from left to right). I say this because the Dwayna one, which I previously thought to be the Scepter of Orr/Staff of the Mists, looks like the Dwayna statue, but with arms stretching upwards. The one I consider Balthazar, I only base on the symbol looking like a W, which could stand for War (God of Fire and War). The center one I believe to be Lyssa because that symbol, for some reason, makes me think of a symbol for "chaos" and Lyssa is commonly connected to chaos as mesmer spells cause Chaos damage. The one I consider Melandru looks like the symbol that the word "Ranger" is next to in the Circle. Which left the last for Grenth.

Also note that the upper most symbol in that edge looks a lot like the symbol for Lyssa, with just two circles as an addition. Keep those circles and remove the part that would be Lyssa, and you get the symbol of the lower most symbol within the Circle, which is the end of the line with Mesmer on it. Another possible support for the middle of the 5 bigger symbols being Lyssa.

The smaller symbols between the "five god symbols" are too poor of quality to really tell, however the one between "Dwayna" and "Grenth" is repeated on the bottom left edge, near the bottom of that edge.

Free Runner · Nov 05, 2008, 11:10 PM // 23:10

I also thought it said The World of Toro at first but upon looking closer the second letter looks too much like a Y. However you are correct - there does appear to be only four letters. I'm not sure if the i is just too close to the a or r, or they screwed up on the naming.

As for the .dat thing i wouldnt say that really counts. None of the Alchemy Circles appear ingame and almost everything appears to be unique to the Circle (the runes, symbols) so making it even harder to figure out isnt even nescessary.

I've not looked at the symbols properly yet (only compared them) but it would be interesting if they were symbols for the gods. Though i still feel i've seen those runes somewere...i'm wondering if they are perhaps the glyphs from certain spells.

Konig Des Todes · Nov 06, 2008, 12:14 AM // 00:14

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

As for the .dat thing i wouldnt say that really counts. None of the Alchemy Circles appear ingame and almost everything appears to be unique to the Circle (the runes, symbols) so making it even harder to figure out isnt even nescessary.

Interesting fact about the .dat: There are tons of things that are on packages and the boxes in the .dat file, such as a picture of Nika and the Ritualist that are on the Factions box.

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

I've not looked at the symbols properly yet (only compared them) but it would be interesting if they were symbols for the gods. Though i still feel i've seen those runes somewere...i'm wondering if they are perhaps the glyphs from certain spells.

I too feel like I've seen them somewhere. I have looked at some of the animation textures of spells, one does seem like the symbol in the "bubble" on the Tyrian Alchemy Circle, but they are not the same. As for the Nightfall Alchemy Circle Runes, I have yet to see anything similar, but do seem familiar.

Karuro · Nov 06, 2008, 06:17 PM // 18:17

Thought popped in. Aren't those from the online store?

Konig Des Todes · Nov 06, 2008, 10:28 PM // 22:28

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Originally Posted by Karuro

Thought popped in. Aren't those from the online store?

If you mean the things in the .dat not in game. Not all are, some are, but not all. I think the Alchemy Circle might be though. I'll go check.

Edit: Yes, the Alchemy Circle is in the online store, the background, two of the white versions, spinning around. That's on the main page and Prophecies page, on the Nightfall Campaign page is the Nightfall Alchemy Circle. On the EN page it's something else, doesn't look familiar. On the "Upgrades" page, there are swirls with tiny writing next to the lines.

Enko · Nov 07, 2008, 01:55 AM // 01:55

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

EDIT: Okay heres the actual version:

is it just me or does that really look like a 3d image of some kind that was then flattened.

Konig Des Todes · Nov 10, 2008, 06:38 AM // 06:38

Something I recently noticed:

The Alchemy Circle is on the backgrounds of some of the backgrounds on the GW website. The backgrounds that I found are:

Grenth (Prophecies Circle - overlapped 3 times)
Mad King Thorn (Nightfall Circle - hard to see if overlapped)
Eve (Prophecies Circle - hard to see if overlapped)
Razah (Nightfall Circle - overlapped multiple times, hard to tell how many times)

I find it funny how I just overlooked those before. Didn't have even a second thought to it.

Long shot but maybe something can be found with how they overlap the circles in these.

Free Runner · Nov 10, 2008, 05:40 PM // 17:40

Yes the backgrounds of a lot of GW related things have the Alchemy Circle somewere on them. After looking ingame i realised that the Eye of the North books (Master Dungeon Guide and Heroes Handbook) also use the circles as backgrounds.

Heres another place one of three circles appear in:

The circle at the top right is the Realm of Torment circle.

BenjZee · Nov 10, 2008, 08:36 PM // 20:36

woah this is quite an interesting read, makes me look forwqrd to the lore books even more rreally. Maybe the tyiran version was an older version and the new one has sections to do with the newer professions. Is it anything significant this circle into how the the different professions get their powers, are the rune symbols similar to the ones on actual rune items in the game.

Konig Des Todes · Nov 10, 2008, 10:37 PM // 22:37

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

Yes the backgrounds of a lot of GW related things have the Alchemy Circle somewere on them. After looking ingame i realised that the Eye of the North books (Master Dungeon Guide and Heroes Handbook) also use the circles as backgrounds.

Heres another place one of three circles appear in:

The circle at the top right is the Realm of Torment circle.

Interesting that there is a Circle in Concept Art. And Realm of Torment for Grenth. Hmm.

I wonder if Jeff Grubb and other Lore-Making staff of ANet were getting annoyed that we did nothing with these circles and decided to put them everywhere in front of our faces.

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Originally Posted by SmithyBen

woah this is quite an interesting read, makes me look forwqrd to the lore books even more rreally. Maybe the tyiran version was an older version and the new one has sections to do with the newer professions. Is it anything significant this circle into how the the different professions get their powers, are the rune symbols similar to the ones on actual rune items in the game.

Very interesting indeed. The new one has no writings that we can translate. I doubt it is just an "updated" version, because it is missing a majority of the things that the Prophecies one has. Also, as stated, the runes are not like any we have seen so far elsewhere - although they do seem familiar.

sabriel warmonger · Nov 15, 2008, 10:35 AM // 10:35

if i may be so bold 2 put forward some thing to great lore minds like yours
with refrence to "Loro""toro" and if a lil bit distorted "zoro"
i do a small amount of painting so when i read the word i read it Ioro notic the flicks maby it may have been done with a brush or sumthing but that is only my 2 cents as well as the triangle on the lower right side of the circle it also to me atlest has the symbol of the Scepter of Orr maby its origin? since it seems 2 be pointing to a specific location

Gmr Leon · Nov 15, 2008, 07:38 PM // 19:38

Check this out, one of the symbols from the black and white Alchemy Circle in the Doppleganger's chamber.

Edit: There are far too many circles on that Alchemy circle, I mistook the above symbol for being one of the many seen.

Konig Des Todes · Nov 15, 2008, 09:22 PM // 21:22

So even Leon can make mistakes huh?

Also, @ sabriel warmonger, I believe I stated the Scepter of Orr thing on the first page, and then later stated that it looks to me more likely to be a symbol for Dwayna, with the other symbols nearby there other symbols of the 4 other gods (as, at that time the 6th god was unknown).

And "Toro" could be very well "Ioro," it is hard to tell with the poor quality and fading. I don't think it can be Loro though. (Would be funny if it turned out to be "Lore") Also, the last word in "The World of _____" looks to start with a T and looks like Toro, which is why we call the bottom word "Toro" and not "Ioro."

Edit:
I took the liberty of removing the symbols of the Alchemy Circle to see if something can be made of just the lines - i.e., disecting the Alchemy Circle. I don't see anything special, but perhaps someone else can. This way, it looks more like a "real" alchemy circle.

Karuro · Nov 17, 2008, 02:25 PM // 14:25

Might help a bit..

A few months ago I looked around for Alchemy related stuff. The wiki had some nice interesting information but now to what i actually want to post.

This is an alchemical glyph of the creation of the Philosopher's Stone (FMA and HP fans, don't scream):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Squaredcircle.svg

In short: Triangles and circles are popular.
But maybe someone can discover something with the help of the alchemy symbols on the main Alchemy article if they have the time.
Picture of symbols: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...mbols-1775.jpg

(Posting on two forums is quite inconvenient at times..)

Konig Des Todes · Nov 17, 2008, 04:32 PM // 16:32

Copy and paste from GWO:

At a fast glance at that list of symbols, looks like the following are in our Prophecies circle:
1. lemon (14) - either all 4 spirals, or just the one coming from the Eye of Janthir-like symbol. (The spiral from the "shining triangle" looks like a bloated form of this)
2. Water (34) - the symbol around the center symbol (which I believe to represent Tyria). Caught my eye immediately.
3. Matter of Heat (37) - the faded large triangle (Could also be "Vital Air (35) by using a line from the "Water" triangle)
4. silver (46) - the fade crecent-symbol near "Ranger"

Possibles: (mostly those undiscerning symbols throughout the map)
1. arsenic (9/54) - the double circle symbol next to what I called the Rift.
2. sugar (11)
3. sorrel(sp?) (13) - symbol at top tip of faded cresent
4. Aether (41) and efsential(sp?) oil (42) might be there in the placement of those tiny circles.

All I can find in similarities (not looking at possible "combined" symbols).

BrettM · Nov 17, 2008, 08:00 PM // 20:00

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Originally Posted by GmrLeon

Check this out, one of the symbols from the black and white Alchemy Circle in the Doppleganger's chamber.

Edit: There are far too many circles on that Alchemy circle, I mistook the above symbol for being one of the many seen.

Note the rectangular designs above the door. Compare to the figures used to construct approximations of the Golden Spiral.

Konig Des Todes · Nov 22, 2008, 12:24 AM // 00:24

Recently got into making GW Videos, so I downloaded the videos on the GW site for possible use. And I found this:

(Video is Final Factions Trailer - High - top video on the page)

What was unknown to be World of Toro or World of Tyria, seems to be Tyria as there is clearly a y with this picture.

Also, note the symbol by "Mesmer" - it's the symbol for the male gender. With the list provided by Karuro on GWO, this could mean iron (#48) or #59 (can't read what it says, siderite?).

Another thing, there is a symbol, that at least I didn't see before, above "Elementalist" which looks similar to the Scepter of Orr/Staff of the Mists or perhaps one of the symbols for #30 or #44-59.

Lastly, one of the symbols above the large symbol above "Monk" is more clear as well and looks like #52 (Bismuth)

Thought I'd share this for further thought.

freakdaddy · Nov 22, 2008, 09:49 PM // 21:49

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Originally Posted by BrettM

Note the rectangular designs above the door. Compare to the figures used to construct approximations of the Golden Spiral.

nice thread azazel

nice find on the fibonacci spiral as it seems to fit.

Mors- in roman mythology is death
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mors_(mythology)

also azazel i believe you to be correct in the five gods of tyria theory and the smaller circles seem to be the corresponding classes (ie Grenth-Necromancer)

this thread is a welcome sight to the rest of the guru threads about this and that.

Konig Des Todes · Nov 22, 2008, 10:36 PM // 22:36

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Originally Posted by freakdaddy

nice thread azazel

nice find on the fibonacci spiral as it seems to fit.

Mors- in roman mythology is death
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mors_(mythology)

also azazel i believe you to be correct in the five gods of tyria theory and the smaller circles seem to be the corresponding classes (ie Grenth-Necromancer)

this thread is a welcome sight to the rest of the guru threads about this and that.

Not my thread, DarkNecrid brought it up :x I've just seem to have been the most interested in this (things related to the Mists, Rift, and Spirits always makes me highly interested).

Also, made some corrections in your post (link and five gods).

While the profession thing does go with, I think it would be the similarities between the gods, as those smaller symbols link the gods together. I need a bigger picture though.