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Konig Des Todes · Nov 12, 2008, 05:43 PM // 17:43

Ancient and Legendary Weapons:

There are five known "Ancient Weapons" in the world of Guild Wars. These include:

-Cauldron of Cataclysm
-Sohothin
-Magdaer
-The Scepter of Orr
-The Staff of the Mists

The origins of all these weapons are unknown, but some of their history is known, and some of their powers.

Cauldron of Cataclysm:
This is seen only in Pre-Searing Ascalon in The Northlands. Although a copy of it can be throughout Ascalon - such as at the bonus of the Ruins of Surmia mission. Another copy can be found in the Crystal Overlook in the Desolation.

According to the Ecology of the Charr, this object was given to the Charr by the Titans and is said to be older then the Titans themselves.

This is what caused the Searing, and could easily be considered the most powerful Ancient Weapon - at least in terms of it's connection to the magic school of Destruction.

Sohothin and Magdaer:
The twin swords that have been passed down from king to king in Ascalon longer then we know. At first believed to be simple Fiery Dragon Swords that all of Ascalon's Royalty and Royal Guards wield, now for sure to be two ancient weapons.

The power of these two weapons are unknown, however, one thing these swords can do is known. According to the Ecology of the Charr, Adelbern wiped out all of his own soldiers and the enemy Charr at the Battle of Ascalon City, and raised his soldiers as restless spirits. It is said that a giant white flame in the shape of a sword was cast through the City which killed everyone.

Whether raising the fallen soldiers as ghosts is a part of the power of Magdaer's power or occurred due to dying so fast - and therefore becoming restless and unable/unwilling to go to the Rift - is unknown.

It is believed that the only thing to bring rest to these spirits is the return of Rurik's sword, Sohothin, to Ascalon City. However, if it is in fact that the ghosts are simply restless and not bound to the sword, then this won't work.

So while Sohothin's power is unknown, Magdaer's power seems to lie in the school of Destruction and Denial magic (Destruction for killing, Denial for preventing rest to the spirits).

The Staff of the Mists:

The sister staff to the Scepter of Orr. True origins are unknown, however it is known that the Staff of the Mists, along side the Scepter of Orr, was given to the human kingdoms. By whom is unknown, as is the time frame. The power of these two staves caused constant rivalry and the gods were forced to intervene. At which point, they were lost to time until very recently. (source)

The Staff of the Mists has the power to bend the physical world. By doing this it can heal the wielder and harm the wielder's enemies. It is also believed to have the power to expand one's lifespan.

The Staff of the Mists can be linked to two schools of Magic:
Preservation - healing the wielder.
and
Aggression - stealing life from the wielder's enemies.

Unfortunately, this staff is now destroyed.

The Scepter of Orr:

The most popular ancient weapon of them all. The origins of the Scepter of Orr is the same as the Staff of the Mists, given to ancient human kingdoms, caused rivalry, forced gods to intervene, lost to time until recently.

This staff - I stay staff due to it's size, not name - has the power to bend the mental world. Through this, acting a similar way to the Staff of the Mists, can increase one's concentration, mental abilities, and knowledge - theoretically. It is known that it has the power to increase one's energy, whether through the energy pool or through energy regeneration.

The Scepter of Orr can be loosely linked to the two other schools of magic that the Staff of the Mists is not linked to:
Denial: Although would be better linked by energy stealing (commonly referred to as e-denial), this would easily fit the whole idea of giving energy, both seen abilities of the Scepter of Orr.
and
Destruction: Destruction, the school for Elementalists, seems to require high amounts of energy, therefore the Scepter can give such requirements to the weilder.

It is believed that the Scepter of Orr can control Undead and the Titans. While this is possible - by controlling the spirits of Undead (their source of animation) and the spirits of Titans (which is what Titans technically are) - this is not proven due to the Lich being the one to show control of the Undead and Titans. The Lich controlled Undead long before obtaining the Scepter, and as he was a follower of Abaddon, Abaddon could have ordered the Titans to simply "follow the guy with the stick."

Stormcaller

The Stormcaller is a third legendary “weapon” of Ascalon. It is a giant horn built into the side of a cliff near Rin. It is believed that when used, it would save Ascalon. However, this is now known not to be the case, as Ascalon falls after the Stormcaller’s use.

This object has the ability to summon rain and water upon the land. It is very likely that the Stormcaller will be used by the Charr to hasten the renewal of the land after they retake the land.

Forbidden Scrolls

Although not really weapons, these Scrolls are very powerful objects. They were created between the time between 1 BE and the creation of the Bloodstones, and locked up underneath Orr, supposedly for safe keeping – however, it is thought that they were kept there by the Vizier after being corrupted by Abaddon.

These scrolls were used to destroy Orr and turn Khilbron into a lich – if he wasn’t already one prior to the scrolls’ use.

Along with the aforementioned, it is known that these scrolls contain magic from when all four schools could be wielded at once – meaning that these scrolls contain the magic of Preservation, Aggression, Destruction, and Denial.

Hammer of the Great Dwarf

The Hammer of the Great Dwarf is yet another legendary and powerful dwarven weapon. This weapon has the power to channel the power of the Great Dwarf through the dwarves who go through a ritual that is shown in the Eye of the North campaign.

Old and Powerful Weapons

Ancient Weapon

Despite its name, it is not very old. Created less then two hundred years ago, while not old, it is powerful. This weapon was the bane of the Elonians that resided within the Arid Sea. During their internal struggles, an unnamed person created this weapon to finish the other side of said struggles. This weapon ended up killing them all.

Originally intended to knock down the Lonely Vigil, it now has no use in the GW world, but is known as the weapon that finished of some, if not all, of the Elonians’ squabbles.

Urn of Saint Viktor

The Urn of Saint Viktor is a Kurzick artifact from two hundred years ago. It contains the ashes of the Kurzick hero, Saint Viktor – as the name of the relic implies. The urn has the ability to create a temporary “shield” around those near the relic upon dropping it.

Its ability is the opposite of the ability of the Spear of Archmorus (talked about below), which personifies the difference between the Kurzicks and Luxons. And, the object and power itself personifies the Kurzicks’ desire to defend rather than attack – as shown in various quotes and quests throughout Factions.

Spear of Archemorus

The Spear of Archemorus is a Luxon artifact from two hundred years ago. It contains the ashes (or simply remains – as the skull is seen at the tip of the spear) of the Luxon hero, Archemorus. The spear has the ability to damage all the nearby enemies of the holder upon dropping the relic.

Its ability is the opposite of the ability of the Urn of Saint Viktor (talked about above), which personifies the difference between the Kurzicks and Luxons. And, the object and power itself personifies the Luxons’ desire to attack rather than defend – as shown in various quotes and quests throughout Factions.

Despite its name, it cannot be used as an actual weapon.

Anvil of Dragrimmar

The Anvil of Dragrimmar is a, rather large, ancient Anvil. It was once used by the Great Dwarf himself to make powerful weapons. Due to its size, it cannot be *easily* moved from the Sepulchre of Dragrimmar. Its creator was Dragrimmar, an unknown creature – guessed to be a dwarf.

A slightly more in depths look can be found here.

Mysterious Weapons

Slow Totem

Very little is known about this object. All that is known is:

1) It is a staff.
2) It slows down the enemies of the one who drops it.
3) It is linked to the Mesmer profession (the symbol that appears over foes who become slowed down is the same as the one for imagined burden).

Through what is known, it can be suggested – although far from proven – that this staff once belonged to the Mage Lord Sybitha who once performed experiments in the Crystal Desert – at least to the extent of creating and/or releasing the Storm Riders.

This staff is in the possession of the Losaru Centaurs upon entering the Dunes of Despair mission, suggesting that they stole the staff for it’s power, possibly to use against the Storm Kin – as in The Ranger’s Path quest, it implies that the centaurs are enemies of the Storm Kin.

Palawa Joko's Staff

Very little is known about Palwa Joko’s Staff’s power. All that is known about it is that it has some importance as it was stolen by one of Joko’s generals after his imprisonment and he wanted it back.

Kathandrax’s Crusher

Kathandrax’s Crusher is a legendary and powerful dwarven weapon. Its abilities and origins are unknown. All that is known about it, is that it is, or was, stored in the Catacombs of Kathandrax – within the Charr Homelands – and is a dwarven weapon. This supporting that whoever “Kathandrax” was, it was a dwarf.

Free Runner · Nov 14, 2008, 04:09 PM // 16:09

This thread just appeared out of nowere....

Anyway something i find interesting about the weapons is that a couple are twins. Scepter of Orr + Staff of the Mists and Sohothin + Magdaer.

Now considering that the Scepter of Orr and Staff of the Mists were given to the great nations, could it be that Sohothin and Magdaer were also given to them along with the two scepters? perhaps what was to become Kryta and Orr were given the Staff of the Mists and Scepter of Orr while Ascalon was handed the two swords.

Anywas as i said over on GWO, the magic of the Cauldron is hinted at being forged by the Ancient Dragons so i doubt the copies are actual cauldrons (unless they liked having their magic floating around tyria in the form of suspious looking Cauldrons)

Konig Des Todes · Nov 14, 2008, 08:24 PM // 20:24

Due to the location/name of the Scepter of Orr/Staff of the Mists, I think Orr got the Scepter, and the Primeval Dynasty (or an earlier kingdom/dynasty of Elona) got the Staff of the Mists.

With that, it could be said Ascalon and Kryta got the two swords, and Ascalon "stole" Kryta's sword as a spoil of war during one of the past wars. Of course, that is going on the idea that each kingdom got their own little powerful weapon.

mazey vorstagg · Nov 15, 2008, 06:42 AM // 06:42

Very nice work as always Azazel.

Free runner made a good point, if humans races were all given great weapons of power, in twins. Then perhaps there is a twin to the Cauldron of Cataclysm out there somewhere, under the protection of the Charr.

sabriel warmonger · Nov 15, 2008, 09:31 AM // 09:31

lol tym 2 stop leeching and give lore a go haha
well it seems 2 me with Ancient Weapons and powerfull wepons
that can only be destroyed in one place in they world that place tends 2 be the the wepons point were the wepon first apperd or was forged
and the fact that it has to be destroyed at " Hallowed Point" hallowd not only meaning sacred Hallowed Point (meaning not only sacred but also revered because of age) one of my questions is if it is the piont were it first apperd would the Scepter of Orr appered with it? if so would they would both have come from elona how did the Scepter of Orr find its way 2 tyria? or are they called sister staffs becuse their powers are lyk two sides of the same coin?

feel free to rip my ideas apart i got a thick skin and its my first tym writting lore (yes i know my spelling is bad i txt 2 much)

Konig Des Todes · Nov 15, 2008, 09:42 PM // 21:42

While it is possible that the Hallowed Point (which does mean Holy - or "to make holy", so Holy Spot or To Make Holy Spot is what this means) is the creation of the twin scepters (due to same shape, I would say they have the same maker if not same creation location). It can also be argued the reverse:

The Twin Scepters are in fact objects of evil and can only be destroyed in a holy place.

How the Scepter of Orr would make it to Orr from Elona is rather simple, iirc, there use to be a trade between Cantha, Elona, and Tyria, which was canceled by an emperor of Cantha in the past, so at that time, Elona and Tyria probably traded with each other, therefore Kings knew Kings. Also proved by Thorn, Kryta and Elona knew each other for a while. So the Scepter went to Orr, the Staff went to Fahranuh (or somewhere else).

sabriel warmonger · Nov 16, 2008, 09:32 AM // 09:32

do we know for a fact that they were "giftd" too the human race first? i always thort the forgotten had it first just the shape and size seem like sumthing a forgotten preist would weild or a high ranking forgotten maby they appered with the forgotten when they were given to glint? they seem more like tools than actual wepons of evil. can a weapon be evil? or is it the person that weilds the power that makes its associated with good or evil? they seem lyk handy tools for the forgotten..... controlling both the physical and mental (spiritul?) worlds maby with the appearance of the human race the forgotten relised the world had new protectors/gardians and gave the staffs as an aids not seeing straight away how easly the human race (so new to the world) would become corrupted turning the tools of peace and balance into wepons of pain and distruction

as in my previos posts feel free 2 rip my posts 2 shreds lol i dnt mind being proven rong

sabriel warmonger · Nov 16, 2008, 09:55 AM // 09:55

lol sori cant sleep it ocured 2 me that maby a weapon becomes good or evil because of who weilds it. Would that mean that a powerful wepon weilded by sum1 upright and pure person could only be destroyed at a defiled point in the world?
with this in mind and the fact that the staffs may not be evil/corrupt or good and pure but insted nutral as any tool is. maby the fact that they can only be destroyed at the hollowed is important? (i think it is.

what would make one place beter than other?) maby the point is hallowed because it is revered? a point in the world were tools of such power were forged.. no i dowt they were forged... first appered would be beter worded. and is it ever refered to as hallowed by any of the human spirts? or just the forgotten? a point of Origin for the forgotten as well as the staffs? would that make it hallowed? but that should be spoken about on anuther thread

P.S.
i hesatate to call the staves weapons but rather tools a weapon in essence can only cause harm not heal bt its self a tool may be able to harm as well as heal you wouldnt call a surgeons scalpel a weapon it is a tool even tho it is a form of blade used 2 cut flesh

id also like 2 apologize im tired and my thort paterns are not that orginised hence why my posts are slitly rambled if u want i will rewrite them for you when iv had some sleep so they make more sence and also iv done my best not 2 anoy any1 with bad speling but iv never been good at it

Free Runner · Nov 16, 2008, 11:13 AM // 11:13

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Originally Posted by sabriel warmonger

do we know for a fact that they were "giftd" too the human race first? i always thort the forgotten had it first just the shape and size seem like sumthing a forgotten preist would weild or a high ranking forgotten maby they appered with the forgotten when they were given to glint?

Well its stated that the Scepter and Staff were given to the great nations of the world for protection and then they were misused causing the gods to intervine. For one thing the Forgotten were not at war with each other like the Humans and the "great nations" are generally thought to be the Human nations since Humans completely dominated half of Tyria.

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they seem more like tools than actual wepons of evil. can a weapon be evil? or is it the person that weilds the power that makes its associated with good or evil?

Indeed they are just tools. The weapons themself are not evil but when put in the wrong persons hands they can be incredibly powerful. Since they were originally given out for protection, whoever gave the rulers the Scepter and Staff probably didnt realise that when Humans are given tools of power they become incredibly greedy. However their are exceptions - our own characters. They have wielded both staffs and not once become corrupted by ether despite its power effecting them.

Anyway thats something i want to note.

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Long ago, the Staff of the Mists and the Scepter of Orr were given to the great nations of the world as protection. Predictably, those who wielded their power were corrupted. Terrible horrors were unleashed upon the lands once guarded by their benevolent power. The gods themselves were forced to intervene. They struck down both rulers, sealed the scepters within their tombs, and guarded them with powerful magic. With the Staff of the Mists released into the world again, I fear that the forces of evil will not stop until they possess it

The only terrible horror i can think of are the Titans but they were not being guarded by the Scepter. What exactly are the Staff and Scepter guarding?

Konig Des Todes · Nov 16, 2008, 09:17 PM // 21:17

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Originally Posted by sabriel warmonger

do we know for a fact that they were "giftd" too the human race first? i always thort the forgotten had it first just the shape and size seem like sumthing a forgotten preist would weild or a high ranking forgotten maby they appered with the forgotten when they were given to glint?

What Free Runner said...

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Originally Posted by sabriel warmonger

they seem more like tools than actual wepons of evil. can a weapon be evil? or is it the person that weilds the power that makes its associated with good or evil?

I didn't mean the weapons are evil, but they were created with an evil purpose. Such as created to give to nations to provoke greed and incite the war that did end up happening.

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Originally Posted by sabriel warmonger

they seem lyk handy tools for the forgotten..... controlling both the physical and mental (spiritul?) worlds maby with the appearance of the human race the forgotten relised the world had new protectors/gardians and gave the staffs as an aids not seeing straight away how easly the human race (so new to the world) would become corrupted turning the tools of peace and balance into wepons of pain and distruction

This gives me an idea: What if they were created by the Forgotten (on the Hallowed Point), and were given to the human kingdoms to help them rule when the Forgotten left? Sort of a farewell gift, if you will. Of course this does counter the idea that they were made to incite greed and wars amoung human nations.

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Originally Posted by sabriel warmonger

it ocured 2 me that maby a weapon becomes good or evil because of who weilds it. Would that mean that a powerful wepon weilded by sum1 upright and pure person could only be destroyed at a defiled point in the world?

as stated above, that is somewhat what I meant.

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Originally Posted by sabriel warmonger

with this in mind and the fact that the staffs may not be evil/corrupt or good and pure but insted nutral as any tool is. maby the fact that they can only be destroyed at the hollowed is important? (i think it is.

what would make one place beter than other?) maby the point is hallowed because it is revered? a point in the world were tools of such power were forged.. no i dowt they were forged... first appered would be beter worded. and is it ever refered to as hallowed by any of the human spirts? or just the forgotten? a point of Origin for the forgotten as well as the staffs? would that make it hallowed? but that should be spoken about on anuther thread

I don't think a human ghost would know where the Forogtten originated, if they originated at one specific point (remember, they were all over Tyria (world)). There is obviously something missing about the Hallowed Point.

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Originally Posted by sabriel warmonger

id also like 2 apologize im tired and my thort paterns are not that orginised hence why my posts are slitly rambled if u want i will rewrite them for you when iv had some sleep so they make more sence and also iv done my best not 2 anoy any1 with bad speling but iv never been good at it

only issue I have is the poor grammar x.x

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

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Long ago, the Staff of the Mists and the Scepter of Orr were given to the great nations of the world as protection. Predictably, those who wielded their power were corrupted. Terrible horrors were unleashed upon the lands once guarded by their benevolent power. The gods themselves were forced to intervene. They struck down both rulers, sealed the scepters within their tombs, and guarded them with powerful magic. With the Staff of the Mists released into the world again, I fear that the forces of evil will not stop until they possess it.

The only terrible horror i can think of are the Titans but they were not being guarded by the Scepter. What exactly are the Staff and Scepter guarding?

That is a good question to bring up actually. Perhaps something that was intended for Utopia?

Xsiriss · Nov 16, 2008, 10:41 PM // 22:41

Ok firstly what's with people thinking Livia's gonna end up like Lich? Makes me wonder if people are just blind or stupid, it talks about sacrifices and shows Livia BACKING AWAY from the staff, the sacrifice is her resisting using the staff for the good of everyone blah blah etc., ergo Q.Q.

Karuro · Nov 16, 2008, 11:25 PM // 23:25

I don't know whats up with the "Livia = 2nd lich omgwtf"-thing either.
Maybe the same deal as that guy on the wiki trying to turn his fanfiction canon.

Free Runner · Nov 16, 2008, 11:51 PM // 23:51

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Originally Posted by Xsiriss

Ok firstly what's with people thinking Livia's gonna end up like Lich? Makes me wonder if people are just blind or stupid, it talks about sacrifices and shows Livia BACKING AWAY from the staff, the sacrifice is her resisting using the staff for the good of everyone blah blah etc., ergo Q.Q.

It doesnt show her backing away. It shows her hesitating...something most would do when faced with a powerful object. If she takes the Scepter or not is up in the air. As i said countless times in the other thread i believe that the reason for the part on the Scepter was to show its far from gone.

As for why they think shes going to be a second lich - people are still confused with how Vizier Khillbhron became the Undead Lich. Due to this they instantly believe it was the Scepter that did it.Thats of course wrong because he became a Lich before getting the Scepter, and its implied that the Cataclysm was the reason for his transformation.

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Originally Posted by Karuro

Maybe the same deal as that guy on the wiki trying to turn his fanfiction canon.

Lets hope it doesnt suddenly become "Livia becomes a Seer of Twilight".

Konig Des Todes · Nov 17, 2008, 12:11 AM // 00:11

The whole "Scepter is how Khilbron became a Lich" confusion shows that people should watch the cinematics and read the manual.

So the mysterious Seer of Twilight was from a fan-fict? I never knew where that came from. (learn something every day)

Karuro · Nov 17, 2008, 12:41 PM // 12:41

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Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin

The whole "Scepter is how Khilbron became a Lich" confusion shows that people should watch the cinematics and read the manual.

So the mysterious Seer of Twilight was from a fan-fict? I never knew where that came from. (learn something every day)

Yes I had to clean up the Bloodstone article because that guy kept throwing in Seers of Twilight and how Abaddon made the bloodstone using the blood of the immortal champions of the Gods or something silly like that. It even contradicts the official lore.

Shasgaliel · Nov 17, 2008, 02:31 PM // 14:31

Hmm what about stormcaller? It might be as old as both fireswords... It is very powerful as well.

On the side note:

http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ancient_Weapon is indeed quite misleading.

Konig Des Todes · Nov 17, 2008, 04:31 PM // 16:31

Yeah, Stormcaller was brought up in the GWO thread of this. I think I will add that and the Forbidden Scrolls.

mazey vorstagg · Nov 18, 2008, 06:25 AM // 06:25

Perhaps Stormcaller and the Cauldron are twins? After all, one summons rain and the other summons fire....

Konig Des Todes · Nov 18, 2008, 07:04 AM // 07:04

....

Twin Scepters=same model

Twin Swords=same model

Stormcaller is a horn, the Cauldron of Cataclysm is, guess what, a Cauldron.

Possible to be counter-parts, but remember, the Cauldron doesn't summon fire, it summons crystals.

Over on GWO, it is being discussed that the Cauldron copy in the Crystal Overlook in the Desolation is what was used to make the Crystal Desert - possibly what Abaddon did in what is mentioned in his Scriptures in the Temple of the Six Gods.

Free Runner · Nov 18, 2008, 07:40 AM // 07:40

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Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin

Possible to be counter-parts, but remember, the Cauldron doesn't summon fire, it summons crystals.

Some NPCs describe it as fire raining from the sky aswell. If i remember correctly it was originally fireballs in the cinematic but Anet added the huge crystals aswell to avoid confusion (people wondering where the crystals had come from)