Curse

Free Runner · Jun 05, 2008, 09:05 PM // 21:05

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Originally Posted by Turtle222

well the endgame green area for prophecies only came out recently so i think you might be onto something shakti!

That area used to be the lobby for Team Arena back in 05.

Konig Des Todes · Jun 05, 2008, 10:18 PM // 22:18

Indeed Free Runner, they just reopened that area, added the NPCs, and made it an explorable instead of an outpost. I still say that those closed down arenas should be made into Mission Challenges, would be nice to see.

Kemal X · Jun 12, 2008, 01:44 PM // 13:44

I don't think it's dragon, however, found this pretty interesting...

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"Lore also mentions two unnamed gods that Abaddon deposed, and Abaddon's predecessor, who, in a source of disputed canonicity, is referred to as a spider deity named Arachnia.

Quote is from GW2wiki, under article of Gods of Tyria. In talk page, it seems some people has found that info from .dat
So, Could Arachni's haunt have something to do with this mysterious Arachnia? Could the dungeon be grave of this god? And what if, Arachni itself is some sort of reincarnation of God? I hope this will bring up more discussion, as I would like to know more of all gods in GuildWars universe.

Free Runner · Jun 12, 2008, 02:42 PM // 14:42

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Originally Posted by Kemal X

I don't think it's dragon, however, found this pretty interesting...

Quote is from GW2wiki, under article of Gods of Tyria. In talk page, it seems some people has found that info from .dat
So, Could Arachni's haunt have something to do with this mysterious Arachnia? Could the dungeon be grave of this god? And what if, Arachni itself is some sort of reincarnation of God? I hope this will bring up more discussion, as I would like to know more of all gods in GuildWars universe.

It shouldnt be taken as anything as it never made it into the game. The Apostates quest does mention Abaddons predecessor but thats all it goes into detail about: that he had a predecessor. The idea of the predecessor being named Arachnia and the concept behind Abaddons dead children were by the looks of it scrapped. Infact they probably took the name of Arachnia and adapted it to Arachni.

viper11025 · Jun 12, 2008, 03:47 PM // 15:47

Ok, my thoughts.
Maybe your all correct by this speculation, but it leaves me to wonder.
If each place is named for a specific reason, like in most games. Gw should be the same.
So, the bones are a stand out. What if, the dragon of orr resurects all these dead ones with bones into skeletal servents like a bone dragon of sorts. Wastelands of NF would be a perfect area for such a uprising.

Off-Topic
Thats one easy spider to kill. XD

Crippie its Tom · Jun 16, 2008, 08:42 PM // 20:42

although those rib cages are big, they're nothing in comparison to the already seen ancient dragons, such as the one in drakkar lake and the one at the end of EOTN

Taisayacho · Jun 16, 2008, 09:11 PM // 21:11

there's also a massive dragon skull in UW next to the first of the behemoths, kind of in the hole, but I don't think it's a primordus :P
because those suckers are HUUUUUGE

Mechz · Dec 14, 2008, 07:54 AM // 07:54

Sorry if this is old, but I just happened to look up at the sky in the Gate of the Nightfallen Lands, and I just happened to see what looks like... A spiked back? Maybe it was a mountain? Well, I scroll a bit left, and see OH MY GAWD A HEAD. Scroll a bit more left, and I saw its tail.

I went on wiki to see if it was mentioned in the Notes, but it wasn't. So... Discuss?

Symeon · Dec 18, 2008, 04:24 PM // 16:24

Bumping after approval - my apologies for the delay, and for the random filtering of threads.

Konig Des Todes · Dec 18, 2008, 04:42 PM // 16:42

-please no "Nightfallen Dragon" added to wikis, please no "Nightfallen Dragon" added to wikis-

That looks simply like a design.

If it was a creature, I'd have to say it was a Hebrew leviathan - which is not the giant centipede thing in the Jade Sea, but something more of a giant snake-like fish that flies in the air. VERY Giant.

I actually see three things. A "head" - picture three - of a fish-like creature. A squid or octopus - picture one. And a... well, multiple spiked wheels - picture two.

Free Runner · Dec 18, 2008, 07:47 PM // 19:47

We need to get this way of thinking out of peoples heads. A background formation in the sky, a huge rock on the shores of Kryta, a formation in the grass in Magumma or whatever the latest suspect is - its not a dragon.

The 8th · Dec 18, 2008, 09:30 PM // 21:30

I would guess the patterns in the skies of Torment are there to give the place a Giger/Lovecraft/all around creepier feel. Looks to me like a random collection of tentacles and other gribbly things that creep you out. Torment is supposed to be a place that defies sanity and order and the natural physical laws that govern our world (or Tyira in this case). It's like "The Warp" , it's not supposed to make any sense.

Mechz · Dec 19, 2008, 11:04 AM // 11:04

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

We need to get this way of thinking out of peoples heads. A background formation in the sky, a huge rock on the shores of Kryta, a formation in the grass in Magumma or whatever the latest suspect is - its not a dragon.

I see a monster-esque head, a back resembling a stegosaur, and some sort of spiked-mace-tail.

I mean, really, it may not be an "ancient" dragon, but it IS some sort of giant-lizard-monster, and you can't tell me that elaborate textures like this were thrown in to be "random", and then tell me Guild Wars has entire languages that can be extracted from a texture with scribbles on it.

At the very least, it's got a place in lore, and it has the form and grandeur with an uncanny resemblance to the description of an "ancient dragon".

Free Runner · Dec 19, 2008, 11:16 AM // 11:16

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Originally Posted by Mechz

I mean, really, it may not be an "ancient" dragon, but it IS some sort of giant-lizard-monster, and you can't tell me that elaborate textures like this were thrown in to be "random", and then tell me Guild Wars has entire languages that can be extracted from a texture with scribbles on it.

Yes i can. Because Anet like to throw in random backgrounds. At Halloween someone thought the background in the sky (which had been there the previous years) was an Ancient Dragon - it was just a random halloween background. There was a mountain background that we spent ages trying to place - it was just a random background. Anet spend a good amount of time and effort on areas to the point of placing in detail such as what you've pointed out in the Realm of Torment.

I'm sorry if i come off strong but in the end that looks nothing like a dragon, ancient or not. I see tenticles in the first screenshot, two spines made to look like mountain ridges i nthe second screenshot and i nthe third i'm not even sure what i see -perhaps i'm lacking in imagination today but i'm having a hard time making it into a head like both you and Azazel did. To me it looks like Anet were trying to echo how aweful torment is.

Konig Des Todes · Dec 19, 2008, 12:16 PM // 12:16

The "head" that I thought I saw I am going to have to take back, as upon a second look, it doesn't look like a head - and I included what I thought I saw in an attachment. Now, it resembles more of a ruptured plain. As what I thought to be the tip of the head, is actually not a tip, but a faded continuation.

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Originally Posted by Mechz

I see a monster-esque head, a back resembling a stegosaur, and some sort of spiked-mace-tail.

I fail to see the spiked mace tail...

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Originally Posted by Mechz

I mean, really, it may not be an "ancient" dragon, but it IS some sort of giant-lizard-monster, and you can't tell me that elaborate textures like this were thrown in to be "random", and then tell me Guild Wars has entire languages that can be extracted from a texture with scribbles on it.

At the very least, it's got a place in lore, and it has the form and grandeur with an uncanny resemblance to the description of an "ancient dragon".

We in fact can say that there are things that are just "put there" and things that have meaning. Many things in the sky are just design, as Free Runner pointed out. The language thing was said by an Anet employee who even worked on languages, so that is infallible that there are translatable languages.

And if it has no meaning, it does not in fact have a place in lore. One such thing is this thread on GWO that has no meaning nor place in lore. You might say it's a different case, but really, it's not. Making something out of nothing.

Shasgaliel · Dec 19, 2008, 03:04 PM // 15:04

On the second picture I see a dragon like thingy. Similar to the Grothmar. But I have serious doubts they were thinking about dragons when they were preparing nighfall. It is just a concept art they probably reused late on. I think that all non GWEN related traces should be just ignored in relation to Ancient dragons.

Dante the Warlord · Dec 28, 2008, 03:37 AM // 03:37

So.. even though I have been on gwguru since '06-'07, I haven't really posted a lot in this part - so bear with me I haven't seen a lot of the info many of you may have. So after gaining some of my curiosity, I was lured onto the new GW 2 wiki site because of the sylavri (sp?). But I found far more interesting was the indication that glint and kuunavang might somehow be related to these ancient evil dragons. Is it possible that the two dragons may be offspring of another ancient dragon that was perhaps the good and noble one? We saw is in regular GW where abbadon was caste away for being too radical, could the opposite happen with the five dragons? Perhaps the same thing with kormir obtaining the power of the 6th god could as well occur.

I have been thinking and I think my theory could be likely since the history of the dragons is relatively unknown. Also, they may even introduce a third never before seen dragon in Elona, which we haven't seen a dragon for. I think it would only make sense that the good dragon sealed away all of the bad ones and eventually disappeared and passed on lesser abilities to its offspring to guard the lands.

Anyways, I just thought that the storyline could be potentially interesting and it might be why I buy the game =). Any thoughts?

Crom The Pale · Dec 28, 2008, 04:41 AM // 04:41

I went through the other threads on dragons here and didn't find any reference or pics of this dragon. Could this be one more of the Ancient Dragons?

This is a shot from GW:EN, I was having mouse trouble and just happened to look up and spot this.

Sorry if this has already been spoted, discussed and dismissed.

the savage nornbear · Dec 28, 2008, 05:09 AM // 05:09

DRAGONS! I don't remember this one, but I feel like it must have been found.

Gmr Leon · Dec 28, 2008, 05:30 AM // 05:30

I think perhaps you may have misread the Movement of the World, at least, I think that's the proper article. Anyway, whenever they mention Kuunavang and Glint, it appears that they are trying to stress the point that the Ancient Dragons and Kuunavang and Glint are not related.

In fact, we know Glint's origins, she was, according to the lore, the first creation of the Gods.