Curse

Free Runner · Dec 10, 2006, 10:03 PM // 22:03

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Originally Posted by borik oakwood

well lets think a second.

the primeaval kings were tryin to ascend therefore making the god take attention. for some reason they failed (please inform if possible)

so mabye it is a divine plague caused by the gods.

Erm the Margonites were the ones trying to ascend not the Primeval Kings.

DarkDervish · Dec 11, 2006, 10:17 AM // 10:17

I'm going with it was probably Palawa Joko, but the massive scale of the plague was interesting and that it wiped out such powerful kings. Can any one elaborate on whom they were?

Free Runner · Dec 11, 2006, 03:43 PM // 15:43

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Originally Posted by DarkDervish

I'm going with it was probably Palawa Joko, but the massive scale of the plague was interesting and that it wiped out such powerful kings. Can any one elaborate on whom they were?

King Elswyth,King Kole,King Millius and King Wenslauss are the only leads so far on names (since they were Primeval Kings buried in the Tomb Of The Primeval Kings)

Most will remember them from last Wintersday,them being NPCs all over the place (one threw snowballs at players while quoting lines from the movie Dodgeball) as well as the holders of the green tombs weapons stolen by The Darknesses.

But i agree it probably was Joko behind it. He seemed to be the source of most of Elonas troubles around that time.

Guildmaster Cain · Dec 13, 2006, 10:17 AM // 10:17

Dont forget King Thorn!

All hail King Thorn!

Roupe · Dec 13, 2006, 04:53 PM // 16:53

Well, The Tomb of Primal Kings lies near Glints cave

Elona Reach mission in the Tyrian Dessert had three diffrent elonian parties struggeling for ascension

the quest said that the eggs were in the food the grain perhaps. Perhaps the Scarab plague was "man made" Its not to far fetched that some fraction tried to kill off the Primeval King and his court, and that the "assasination" backfired and spread like wildfire.

The scarabs was probably a natural hazard, but the extent of the damage they caused was started with some human help. The scarabs then "learnt" to duplicate that manner. (think tapeworm poisoning)

most likely suspect is the Kournans (abbadon worshiper may have been there all along).

Sofonisba · Dec 14, 2006, 08:28 PM // 20:28

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Originally Posted by Mason Daman

The only other place in tyria with scarabs is the Krytan jungles, ....

Don't forget smite crawlers, which can be visited in the UW from any continent... and presumably can travel the other way.

Sort of like, Dryders in Gate of Pain, also are found in other incarnations in the Fire Islands, Northern Shiverpeaks, UW, FoW, and Tombs (probably missing some areas too). Then again, wiki says that Terrorwebs are Demons, so maybe I just don't know what I'm talking about.

And now that I look up Demons, smite crawlers are classified as those as well...

Yeah, I really don't know what I'm talking about. Carry on!

Angel Netherborn · Dec 15, 2006, 10:59 AM // 10:59

Palawa Joko as the source? Depends on how long you think he has lived. The Scarab Plague started over 300 years before Palawa Joko built his Bone Palace and over 400 years before he invaded Vabbi. If he wanted to disrupt the peace in Elona so he could invade, why wait 400 years to do it? Why not unleash the plague a few years before conducting any invasion?

How about natural causes? A severe mutation on a particular insect species? Caused by "unseen forces" could be just superstition, or evidence of how traumatic, tragic, and deadly the plague was.

PS: I think "Scarab" was mostly inspired by the Mummy (movie). And I seriously doubt the quest writer had the scarabs from proph in mind.

DarkDervish · Dec 16, 2006, 08:15 AM // 08:15

I still find it likely that it was not a natural plague, being its scale, and that it wiped out the Primeval Kings and was targeted at Istan.

It could have been a plague like the Black Death that just popped up, but I find it highly unlikely. Scarabs were popping out of people's skins, it sounds more "Biblical" or "supernatural" so to speak. I think something caused it, and the quest writer had this in mind. It seems an big part of history.

draxynnic · Dec 17, 2006, 04:26 AM // 04:26

And, possibly more importantly...

It's a big loose end.

Who'd be willing to take the other part of a bet that this is going to show up in some future chapter?

Sophitia Leafblade · Dec 18, 2006, 09:52 AM // 09:52

Could it be the corsair fighting (or farming perhaps) against the Istan kingdom drew the scarabs to Istan much like the current scarabs in tryia drawn by all the farming?

sounds like a potential plot line there for a future gw chapter, the scarab plague consuming Tryia.

DarkDervish · Dec 20, 2006, 02:37 PM // 14:37

I agree, it is a big loose end. Perhaps we are giving it too much credit though, but I just don't think it is something the designer created with no further thought in mind than that it was just a plague that wiped out the Primeval Kings and the entire Istani civilization at that time (The island was uninhabited for I think it said a few decades or more). There has to be more behind it, but it may not appear in later chapters, maybe it was just a plot hook to explain why the Primeval Kings were killed off. I am just saying there has to be more back story we don't hear though, as some cause, etc.

exiled mat · Dec 30, 2006, 01:24 AM // 01:24

creatures which popup from within the body, not only the mummy had that, ALIEN also had that.... *get's creepy images in his head*

Solar Light · Dec 30, 2006, 01:51 AM // 01:51

Fahranur is described as ground zero, and, what else is in farhanur?

Apocrypha.

BTW, how did the Apocrypha get there?

I always thought the Scarab Plauge and the Apocrypha were linked.

draxynnic · Dec 30, 2006, 12:15 PM // 12:15

That is possible, although my interpretation is that the Apocrypha was just a source of knowledge about Abaddon that got missed in the purge after the Margonite war.

One thing I have noticed, however, is that there are quests in the Realm of Torment tying up all the loose ends that had to do with Abaddon. If the Apocrypha caused the Scarab Plague, I'd have expected to see some quest later on explaining how it happened. Since we haven't had such a quest, my interpretation is that it wasn't directly related to Abaddon. Whether it was someone else wanting to keep people away from the Apocrypha and, hence, knowledge of Abaddon, is another question entirely...

Tide to Go · Dec 30, 2006, 10:02 PM // 22:02

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Originally Posted by DarkDervish

In the manual it says the plague was brought on by unseen forces. Quote

"Over six hundred years ago, the infamous Scarab Plague devastated this province. Victims died horribly, as insects erupted through boils on their skin. Many believed the outbreak of plague had supernatural origins, blaming the suffering of the innocent on unseen forces." It mainly devastated this province apparently, and in the timeline by 652 DR/962 CC in the manual it says "Scarab Plague sweeps through Elona, decimates the population, and wipes out the Royal House. Istan abandoned. End of the Primeval Kings."

Immediately prior to that on the timeline, in 524 DR and 834 CC in the manual timeline it says "First mention of corsair activities in the Dynastic records. Monument building common in Istan and Kourna." So perhaps they were cursed for these monuments for some reason, (idolators, lol), or maybe the corsairs intentionally brought the scarabs over somehow?

It ended the reign of the Pimeval Kings, so perhaps it was targeted at them, as it caused the fall of the Royal House and brought Fahranur to ruins. Fahranur could be said to be "ground zero" of the Scarab Plague, as it seems all investigations center around it, and Istan was hit the worst. So maybe it was some kind of curse on the Primeval Kings?

You know there has to be some explanation or reason for the Scarab Plague in the quest writer's mind, possibly it ties into some later storyline?

ok heres the options, the bones from the desert arent like any creatures in tyria, so those creatures id say from the north came over in a dramatic number and deseased everyone. witch was a world wide spread.

another option could possible be the charr they came rampaging in here from the north and could possibly have had some cold passing around

also thought of abaddons undead armies, undead people do have some pretty nasty things going around, and plus abbadon has a portal in arid sea that takes him tyria to elona, elona to tyria. Something bad had to have happined involving the portal besides the portal helping abbadon get into tyria, because theres a forgotten guard standing right next to it.

Abaddon could have reached tyria taken the scarabs into elona and brought them to all citys for all to see and all to fall to

Plushie Penguin · Dec 31, 2006, 06:16 AM // 06:16

Although magic is used as a reason for things to happen in the game, it's normal for humans to create a answer for any unexplained happening. So, it is really just possable it was a new kind of scarab had been created/found[as in, evolution or brought to Elona], and had found a way to exist in humans.

fires element · Apr 10, 2009, 10:09 PM // 22:09

first i must apologize for not knowing how to post links to other threads. i know its annoying but it eludes me on how to do it. i would have to speculate that the scarab plague was caused by the misuse of the staff of the mists by men. as the story goes the staff of the mists and the scepter of orr were given to the great nations of the world as protection, but they became corrupted and terrible horrors were unleashed upon the land forcing the gods to intervene. upon intervening the gods struck down the rulers and sealed away both staves in thier tombs. now as is posted in another thread the horrors that the scepter of orr unleashed could have been the titans. since the scepter of orr is in tyria and the titans are as well it is a viable assumtpion. so since the staff of the mists is in elona then it seems to me that it is plausible that the horrors unleashed by the staff of the mists could have been those scarabs that wiped out most of the population.

Konig Des Todes · Apr 10, 2009, 10:34 PM // 22:34

Finally the Archives prove to be of use for rezing old threads.

First, to link to other threads type [ url= link ] -name you want- [/ url ] No spaces between the []'s. I also suggest pressing Enter some times. Makes it easier to read.

Second,

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Originally Posted by fires element

but they became corrupted

Where does this get mentioned? It says

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Originally Posted by Buuran

those who wielded their power were corrupted

No where does it say the staves were corrupted - but the wielders. Source: Hallowed Point

I doubt the horror of the Scepter of Orr was the Titans. It would mean it was how the Door of Komalie opened. While possible, I think it deals more with the other ability. The ability to control the unworldly. While the Staff of the Mists controlled the worldly. To control Spirits on one hand, and to control material things on the other, can lead to deadly power.

Personally, I'm sticking with a theory already said. That the Scarab Plague occurred due to Palawa becoming a Lich.

If my research is correct, then one needs to invoke more than one school of magic. Khilbron invoked all four - Denial, Preservation, Aggression, and Destruction. In my opinion, only Aggression, Preservation, and Denial are required. Aggression - which is linked to Necromancy - would be the killing and undeath aspect. Preservation would be the resurrection aspect - or prevention of death *thus being a second aspect of undeath*. And Denial would be the aspect that prevents the soul from leaving the body - which is why a lich cannot be killed.

If the Scarab Plague was scarabs coming out of people's skins, even if eggs are eaten, wouldn't they first be cooked? Therefore impossible by normal means for such to happen. Even if raw, crewing would prevent that.

But, bring in Preservation, the scarabs are resurrected - possibly as undead through the use of Aggression. Or perhaps it's Aggression that made the Scarabs pore out of people violently.

fires element · Apr 10, 2009, 10:45 PM // 22:45

sorry for the typing and thanks for the link posting help.

i mistyped who became corrupted. in my mind i was typing " but the rulers became corrupted."

and in this [research:ancientweapons] ,freerunner mentions that a possible horror unleashed was the titans. so that is what got me thinking about the staff of the mists and the scarab plague.