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Free Runner · Nov 11, 2008, 12:18 AM // 00:18

As GmrLeon mentioned, Odran was apparantly passing back through when the Spirits got him. It also mentions that the spirits of the hall were the ones to figure out how to attack him.

Konig Des Todes · Nov 11, 2008, 12:25 AM // 00:25

But the option still stands that he could have gone to the Realm of Torment. So it's very much agreed that going there was not the cause of his death - pointed out by the quote of Hyper that I really should have known seeing how I have a never ending research on Spirits - but that does not prove:

1) Odran didn't know of Abaddon.
2) Abaddon didn't use Odran's portals for his own use.

Free Runner · Nov 11, 2008, 12:36 AM // 00:36

Of course it does not disprove your theory. Odran most likely knew about Abaddon - Kayhet knows quite abit about him despite the cover up, and i'm betting Odran was much more smarter than her.

As for him breaking into Torment by accident, we would have to determine where the Realm of Torment is, and how secure the gods made it. If we could figure out a way to read the Alchemy Circles we would be able to find both things out.

Konig Des Todes · Nov 11, 2008, 01:31 AM // 01:31

Even without the Alchemy Circles, I made a placement theory based on it.

We know it's connected to the Underworld, so that is one way Odran could have made it to the Realm of Torment.

Neo Atomisk · Dec 03, 2008, 12:20 AM // 00:20

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

I personally think the Island up in the Northwest corner is a possible location. Another could be somewere within the Magumma/Tarnished Coast border.We pretty much traversed the entire Ring of Fire Island Chain and didnt find anything there.

You forget the point of the Prophecies Campaign.

The door of Komalie is a portal into the Realm of Torment, more specifically, the foundry of failed creations.

Konig Des Todes · Dec 03, 2008, 02:19 AM // 02:19

Due to the difference in looks of that portal and the other portals we have seen, I think the Door of Komali is more of a tear in reality, not an actual portal.

I've been thinking about looking into the Door of Komali, but have been busy with it being the end of the semester and all.

Neo Atomisk · Dec 03, 2008, 05:02 AM // 05:02

Well, it may be a tear in reality, but I think it's kinda like a mega portal. Also, can we count the portal in surmia and nolani a true portal? I don't think they travel through the mists.

Konig Des Todes · Dec 03, 2008, 06:29 AM // 06:29

I think that was the original idea for how map traveling would look like. If you look at the ground, in both the cinematic and the outpost for Nolani, you see a design on the ground (think someone called it a rose compass). Similar symbols are seen throughout the game. In Lion's Arch, in all (or most) of the Prophecies Guild Halls, at the Krytan Resurrection shrines, and various other places.

I think those serve as teleporters, not really portals.

Of course, my term of portals is a hole or tunnel that transverses the Mists to the Rift (and Rift to other places).

Neo Atomisk · Dec 03, 2008, 12:28 PM // 12:28

I see. I'll be day dreaming about this at school today. I think I'm close to having a good idea.

But if any, I believe the door of komalie would be a major factor in odran somehow

Free Runner · Dec 03, 2008, 05:57 PM // 17:57

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Originally Posted by Neo Atomisk

You forget the point of the Prophecies Campaign.

The door of Komalie is a portal into the Realm of Torment, more specifically, the foundry of failed creations.

The door of Komalie is just a backdoor into the Foundry - probably created by the gods considering the Foundry was once a Margonite prison. There is no evidence that Odran made that portal (and its works differently aswell).

It could of been a door intended for the Forgotton to easily move between the RoT and Tyria, perhaps sealed when Abaddon went rogue and attacked the Rift leading to his imprisonment.

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Also, can we count the portal in surmia and nolani a true portal? I don't think they travel through the mists.

Those are just teleporters. Odrans Portals allow travel into the rift. The Drascir one is possibly nearby though.

laurana half elf · Dec 03, 2008, 10:23 PM // 22:23

you guys do realize that this is just a game right?

its not real.....

not everything has to be connected.

Free Runner · Dec 04, 2008, 12:07 AM // 00:07

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Originally Posted by laurana half elf

you guys do realize that this is just a game right?

its not real.....

No we really had no idea. But please do enlighten us with your supreme knowledge. Or perhaps you could use that knowledge to do yourself a favor a look up what a lore forum is? because it would be a shame to have that intelligence of yours wasted on those of us who never figured out it was just a game.

Konig Des Todes · Dec 04, 2008, 01:18 AM // 01:18

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

The door of Komalie is just a backdoor into the Foundry - probably created by the gods considering the Foundry was once a Margonite prison. There is no evidence that Odran made that portal (and its works differently aswell).

It could of been a door intended for the Forgotton to easily move between the RoT and Tyria, perhaps sealed when Abaddon went rogue and attacked the Rift leading to his imprisonment.

Being used by the Forgotten first is a possibility, however if so, it would have been abandoned when the Forgotten left to the Crystal Desert, because it could only have been sealed after the volcano's eruption.

Also, as I pointed out over on GWO (never bothered putting it over here, I guess I'll make a thread - after searching for one to rez

), I think it is not the Bloodstone's power that seals the Door of Komali, but in fact the seal that was inscribed on top of the bloodstone - which I believe to not be a part of the actual bloodstone (i.e., was added by someone - most likely Mursaat)

Neo Atomisk · Dec 04, 2008, 04:03 AM // 04:03

I'm fairly sure killing people on the bloodstones produces lots of energy. In turn this energy is probably absorbed by komalie. I'm kinda new to all this, but it would be kinda like the principle of heat in chemistry.
And komalie is still a link to the mists, odran made or not.

And WTH dude Guild wars is reality.
Watch be actually happen irl lmao.

Konig Des Todes · Dec 04, 2008, 04:39 AM // 04:39

Killing people on the bloodstones would produce just as much energy as killing people anywhere else. In my opinion, the inscription simply takes the soul which is then stored into the Soul Batteries, which is used in the Ether Seals to keep the barrier around the Door of Komalie closed.

In a similar way that the incriptions on the doors in Bloodstone Caves keeps the doors locked until Gadd and Livia unlock them.

And no one said that the Door of Komalie is not linked to the Mists and the Rift. We just said it probably wasn't Odran made.

Seri · Dec 16, 2008, 06:10 PM // 18:10

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I think that the main need for Abaddon to create portals is a "disturbance" in the world. If you think about it, prior to Shiro, there was nothing going on other then Joko and Odran until you go far back enough for Abaddon's imprisonment. I think the damage that Shiro, the Charr, and Khilbron did was enough to allow Abaddon, Dhuum, and Menzies to open portals at will. With just Shiro's act, not enough was done, so he had to wait for Khilbron to do his part, and Terick had to wait for the Charr to attack before he can get Khilbron to use the scroll.

One event happening was not enough, so he had to wait for all to happen. That's my theory on why Abaddon did not attack until now.

In relation to the Tombs attack, I think it was more of an attack on the Hall of Heroes then Tyria, or else the strongest wouldn't be in the very far back, and the siege wurms, which are stationary, would be closer to Tyria then they currently are. Of course, the best argument for their current positioning could be the whole game mechanics.

But aside from that, there is the fact that nearly everything else was attacked or will be, all the attacks that occurred at the time and before are:

Tyria
1. The Searing
2. The Cataclysm
3. The Undead Assault
4. The Titan Assault

Cantha
1. Jade Wind
2. The Plague *soon to be*
3. Urgoz and the Warden's assault*indirectly from Abaddon*
4. Kanaxai and the Nightmare Demons' assault *most likely indirectly from Abaddon*

Rift/Mists
1. The Underworld
2. Fissure of Woe

Rezzin an old thread here but, nearly 200 years before the jade wind there was a mysterious fire at Raisu palace, could this fire be directly linked to the weakening of the walls ?

Free Runner · Dec 16, 2008, 06:29 PM // 18:29

I think the general idea for this thread is that Abaddon used Odrans portals to stage the events. The fire was around 100 years before Odran managed to create a portal into the Rift.

So if it was indeed one of Abaddons demons (considering an Emperor died in the fire i wouldnt put it past him) then that would mean he was sending things through before Odran even entered the Rift. However it was probably just a disgruntled guild attempting to cause some chaos in the palace and by a stroke of luck, killing an Emperor in the process.

Konig Des Todes · Dec 16, 2008, 08:38 PM // 20:38

What Free Runner said, and also there is no resurrecting dead threads in the lore forums. Well, unless it's debunked (and since when is 13 days old?).

Kerwyn Nasilan · Jan 13, 2009, 03:42 AM // 03:42

Tangent here but Konig you are Azeal correct?

draxynnic · Jan 13, 2009, 02:21 PM // 14:21

No. He's Konig...

...formerly known as Azazel the Assassin.