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MartynThompson · Jul 16, 2009, 11:03 PM // 23:03

Hey well i was thinking about Ascalon in Guild Wars 2 and wondering about who will return the two swords to Ascalon city. Here are some Quotes from Guild Wars Wiki & Guild Wars Wiki2
Gw2w Movement of the world

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Some believe that one day, when the rightful king of Ascalon returns with one of the two flaming swords—either Adelbern’s Magdaer or his son's, named Sohothin—the legion will abandon the city and sink at last into peaceful death.

Gw2w Magdaer ( Adelberns Sword)

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It is said that if Magdaer or its "sister," Prince Rurik's sword Sohothin, returns to Ascalon City, then the spirits will be put to rest.

Gw2w Sohothin (Ruriks Sword)

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It is believed that if this sword, or its twin, returns to the haunted remains of Ascalon City borne by the rightful king of Ascalon, the ghosts there would finally be laid to rest. Sohothin's last known location is in the Ring of Fire Island Chain near the bloodstone there.

Gw2w Ascalon City

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It is said that if Sohothin, the sword of Adelbern's deceased son, Rurik, or Magdaer are returned to Ascalon City, the spirits of the Ascalon Vanguard will fall back into their graves once more.

Ok so these Quotes Gave me two possibility's to how the swords will Return to Ascalon.
Firstly Rurik had a child with Althea somehow secretly , or King Adelbern had another child who will come back and claim the throne.
Or
You just need the swords of The Prince And king to Put to Rest the Ghost army in Ascalon city .
So the reason i posted this thread is Propel Can Add in any knowledge they have if there is any on this topic. So we can elaborate and come up with some theories.

Free Runner · Jul 17, 2009, 12:30 AM // 00:30

I dont think it means a king who is distantly related to Adelburn or Rurik. I think the line is actually saying the one who will reunite the sword with Ascalon would be considered the rightful king for just doing that task. There is never any mention of a second son of Adelburn and its doubtful that Rurik and Athela had a child considering their fates.

As to how the swords will return, well i'm guessing thats left to the heroes of GW2s era. The last known whereabouts of both swords are the Ring of Fire Island Chain and Ascalon itself.

Konig Des Todes · Jul 17, 2009, 12:56 AM // 00:56

Along with what Free Runner said, I'd like to comment on individual things:

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Originally Posted by MartynThompson

Firstly Rurik had a child with Althea somehow secretly

They didn't really have time, I think, as the relationship was still at a boyfriend/girlfriend stage in Pre-searing (or so it seems) and Althea was (seemingly) kidnapped shortly after the Searing (along the same time as Gwen?)

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Originally Posted by MartynThompson

or King Adelbern had another child who will come back and claim the throne.

I would like to point out something from the Prophecies Manuscripts:

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Originally Posted by Prophecies Manual;The Guild Wars Personalities;King Adelbern

Prince Rurik, the king's eldest son and heir to the throne...

Rurik is the eldest son, not the only son. It is possible there were other princes somewhere who might have escaped and who's descendants act as leader to the Ascalonians in Kryta (or even run around in Ebonhawke).

Another thing to mention is that Adelbern is not the true rightful heir to the throne, but became king for his heroics during the latest Guild Wars. The "true" heir to the throne is Duke Barradin. So just as it is possible Adelbern had more sons, it could be that the passage refers to Barradin's descendants. Though his only known child was Althea - which puts a damper in that thought.

Free Runner · Jul 17, 2009, 01:15 AM // 01:15

It would be rather interesting if there was a second son of Adeldern running around while the heroes fought. Though you would have to wonder if there was one, why he never showed himself and why he was never mentioned. Hey maybe we've found an origin for Vael

MartynThompson · Jul 17, 2009, 02:45 AM // 02:45

thats what i thought that he is not the true heir but then i read this on the guild wars wiki

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Descended from the great King Doric, King Adelbern is well-liked by the citizens of Ascalon. His easy demeanor and battlefield heroics secured his spot as one of the most popular kings in the history of the walled nation.

but then it says

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In the final years of the last Guild War, the people of Rin looked to a soldier named Adelbern, a simple man of humble origins, who rallied the people with his courage and cunning and steeled them not only against the guilds of Orr and Kryta but also against the terrors of the Charr.
The sudden destruction of most of the kingdom during the Searing has taken much of the fight out of the man now known as King Adelbern.

maybe you are right in saying that people earn the title of king

Konig Des Todes · Jul 17, 2009, 03:40 AM // 03:40

Adelbern was both a descendant of King Doric and also not the "rightful heir" - but that doesn't mean he wasn't a possible heir to the crown. He just got a little bump up the list of who would be the rightful heir.

Either way, I doubt our character would become a "rightful king of Ascalon" in GW2 - we will more than likely just help a NPC become that. Unless, of course, the next option opens up: That line is just a belief and rumor, nothing more, not fact, thus no "king" will arise.

In other words, that is just a mere whisper of hope that Ascalon would be retaken and ruled by human hands once more.

The Air Revenger · Jul 17, 2009, 05:28 AM // 05:28

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

I would like to point out something from the Prophecies Manuscripts:
Rurik is the eldest son, not the only son. It is possible there were other princes somewhere who might have escaped and who's descendants act as leader to the Ascalonians in Kryta (or even run around in Ebonhawke).

wrong Rurik was the only son

"The Movement of The World" says "The royal line of Adelbern ended with the death of Prince Rurik."

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/The_...t_of_the_World

draxynnic · Jul 17, 2009, 05:54 AM // 05:54

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

In other words, that is just a mere whisper of hope that Ascalon would be retaken and ruled by human hands once more.

...which seems highly unlikely while the Charr are a PC race, since there are strong suggestions that the Iron Citadel - practically next-door - is the Charr starting location. Possibly if the events of GW2 lead to some sort of accommodation between Charr and humanity... but either way, I wouldn't expect to see Ascalon repopulated by free humans before GW2 gives way to GW3. I just don't see them being able to pull off a resettlement in-game without having significant ramifications on the Charr side of the game.

As for the line of kingship - it'll fall to whoever the closest relative who's still alive is, however distant that might be.

Idly, gotta love all the potent artifacts our characters were evidently silly enough to leave behind. Not just the Sceptre of Orr (arguably because the PCs know how dangerous it is), but Rurik's sword? We take everything ELSE nailed down, why wouldn't someone think to grab one of the royal swords of Ascalon on the way?

(Maybe they should make it a green drop that can be put in the Hall of Monuments...)

Konig Des Todes · Jul 17, 2009, 06:09 AM // 06:09

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Originally Posted by The Air Revenger

wrong Rurik was the only son

"The Movement of The World" says "The royal line of Adelbern ended with the death of Prince Rurik."

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/The_...t_of_the_World

hmm, true. I forgot about that line. Maybe Rurik was the eldest son, but his younger brothers died/were also disowned like Rurik was? I wouldn't be surprised...

MartynThompson · Jul 17, 2009, 07:59 AM // 07:59

wouldnt you think adelberns sword would already be with inside Ascalon city.
look at what i just found from the gw2w drascir page.

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Rurik of Ascalon, the last in the royal line of King Doric, was born in Drascir, as was his father, King Adelbern.

lol is it me or is anet contradicting it self.

Artisan Archer · Jul 17, 2009, 09:40 AM // 09:40

Wasn't duke barradin the rightfull heir to the throne?

Free Runner · Jul 17, 2009, 11:05 AM // 11:05

Barradin was the brother to the previous king. The king before Adelbern gave too much influence to the guilds with the most money and nearly brought Ascalon down. I'm guessing Adelbern was chosen over Barradin, to stop the same mistake being repeated. But yeah the Duke was indeed the next in line to be king before it was decided on Adelbern (and the Duke himself supported Adelbern being king, having already appointed him commander of the Ascalon army).

So maybe it is talking about a decendant of Barradin.

Gmr Leon · Jul 17, 2009, 01:19 PM // 13:19

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Originally Posted by MartynThompson

wouldnt you think adelberns sword would already be with inside Ascalon city.

Whoever said it wasn't? The main point of the Movement of the World is this (in relation to the general gist and Ascalon section, mind you):

Hero, Wanderer, Adventurer, and/or Traveler, thank you for reading up unto this point briefing you on the current status of the world. Now, we will be covering the status of Ascalon, one of the possible birthplaces of your ancient ancestor who may or may not have saved Tyria from the Lich, saved Cantha from Shiro Tagachi, or saved Elona from Abaddon, but whatever the case, we know for certain that he or she defeated the Great Destroyer while completely ignoring Primordus! You got it! Your ancestor completely ignored Primordus after the Asura, beings far more intelligent than humans even then, told them that it was a statue practically bleeding magic! I know, right? I can't believe it either! Moving along then, Ascalon was conquered by the mighty Charr legions after the fall of the Shaman Caste, further proving they needn't any Gods to assist them in their might. However, our old and friendly stubborn King Adelbern himself pulled another trick from up his sleeve, pressing the self-destruct-resurrect button on his unbeknownst to our ancestor as usual, ancient sword Magdaer, transforming the occupying forces of Ascalon City into a ghastly force of ghosts, preventing a complete Charr occupation of the City. Now, rumors are sprouting that the also unbeknownst to our ancestor, ancient sword held by the King's son Prince Rurik, Sohothin, when brought back to the City by the rightful king of Ascalon will put the spirits to rest. However, the rumors also suggest that should the rightful king of Ascalon somehow get his hands on the sword Magdaer, which is implied by all our sources to remain in Ascalon City, the spirits will also be put to rest.

So! Brave Hero, Wanderer, Adventurer, and/or Traveler, do you wish to test your mettle? Then, leave Divinity Reach, go to Ebonhawke, and/or Lion's Arch, and make your way to Ascalon City and/or the Ring of Fire Islands Chain, and battle your way through the fierce heat of magma and ferocious Hydras and/or Charr Legions and the corrupted spawn of an Ancient Dragon to the heart of Ascalon City and/or the switchback route that runs along the ridge of Abaddon's Mouth to lay claim to one of these two rare, one of a kind, ancient swords, then, in the case of the Hero, Wanderer, Adventurer, and/or Traveler that chose the Ring of Fire Islands Chain route, return to Ascalon City, and become known as the Rightful King of Ascalon!

And that's that, which, despite being a parody on bits and pieces of the the GW2 information, is fairly accurate, especially in relation to the two paths I laid out, which is supported by this paragraph from the Movement:

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Originally Posted by The Movement of the World

Since that time, the spectral soldiers have guarded the ruins of Ascalon City and the eastern frontier. They resist the Charr, but do not communicate with living soldiers from Ebonhawke. Their spirits are only memories, the lingering presence of a past that cannot let go of the present. Some believe that one day, when the rightful king of Ascalon returns with one of the two flaming swords—either Adelbern’s Magdaer or his son's, named Sohothin—the legion will abandon the city and sink at last into peaceful death. Until then, everyone is the enemy.

It never states they need be reunited mind you, providing two alternative methods of proving your "rightful king of Ascalon" status. I suspect this might be a method of avoiding revisiting the Ring of Fire Islands Chain, or for an epic battle with the spirits of Ascalon City to the top of the tower in which King Adelbern died to help a NPC or possibly yourself, lay claim to Magdaer. If GW2 decides to be really intuitive, it would give the player the option of being a complete and utter jerk and traitor to his or her ancestor's kingdom or just a curious Asura, naive Sylvari, disrespectful Charr, or trophy-hunting Norn, and allow the player to keep Magdaer.

draxynnic · Jul 18, 2009, 09:40 AM // 09:40

To play Devil's Advocate, the Asura hadn't realised that the "statue" was anything more than a source of magic either. It's possible that it was investigated, but for whatever reason, it wasn't identified until events in other parts of the world caught up and everyone lost interest.

Or maybe it was under investigation when Primordius woke up, and the investigators were the ancient dragon's first victims...

Winnies Bro · Jul 19, 2009, 04:54 PM // 16:54

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Originally Posted by The Air Revenger

wrong Rurik was the only son

"The Movement of The World" says "The royal line of Adelbern ended with the death of Prince Rurik."

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/The_...t_of_the_World

What if adelbern's other sons died before rurik did...

MartynThompson · Jul 19, 2009, 11:44 PM // 23:44

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

What if adelbern's other sons died before rurik did...

that is a possibility it could of happended in the searing .
remember we and prince rurik where out killing char in a cave and we where protected from the blast

Free Runner · Jul 19, 2009, 11:51 PM // 23:51

Yeah but you see, even if their were others who died before/during the Searing it still means there are no living heirs.

Shasgaliel · Jul 20, 2009, 09:53 AM // 09:53

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

Yeah but you see, even if their were others who died before/during the Searing it still means there are no living heirs.

Might be that they did not die but were thought to have died (kidnapped and held hostage by charr, escaped North etc).
There is also possibility that only male descendants could be the heirs so all the possible sisters of Rurik were just not taken into consideration but they could still live somewhere...

MartynThompson · Jul 21, 2009, 02:19 AM // 02:19

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

It would be rather interesting if there was a second son of Adeldern running around while the heroes fought. Though you would have to wonder if there was one, why he never showed himself and why he was never mentioned. Hey maybe we've found an origin for Vael

i reckon this oculd be a possibility, observe.

Konig Des Todes · Jul 21, 2009, 02:34 AM // 02:34

Vael's model is not a unique one - there are at least two others who share the model.

Also, the two were brothers, and Vael lives after Rurik, wouldn't that mean Vael is the last heir of Adelbern, not Rurik?

If Rurik had brothers, they had to have died prior to Rurik - only chance Vael has of bring Rurik's younger bother is if Vael faked his death or was disowned before Rurik. But if either was the case - why would Vael report to his father of Rurik's death - if Vael faked his death, the faking would be most likely exposed, and if he was disowned, he wouldn't be welcomed back, I would think.