Curse

nilzardo · Jun 20, 2009, 07:03 AM // 07:03

Well I have this idea of the gods noticing that this is a threat to big, so they return to the world to help us a hand :P Wouldn't that be great, Balthazar versus Primordus ;D

MartynThompson · Jul 14, 2009, 11:04 AM // 11:04

yeah true there is a big difference in size

Winnies Bro · Jul 22, 2009, 05:47 PM // 17:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

But the only way we know of how gods are made, are by killing the previous god and taking their energy. If the Ancient Dragons are still alive, how were they succeeded?

Wow! That made me think! What if a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time ago, the gods were fighting the ancient dragons for some reason, we dont really know why or where or when but... the gods decided to leave the fight... leave tyria... we don't know exactly WHY the gods left, they didnt say "hey, were leaving because were confident that since weve taken away all the overly-powerful magic, everything will be fine". The humans probable just guessed why the gods left. My idea is that the dragons were fighting the gods in order to TAKE THEIR ENERGY BY KILLING THEM AND BECOMING GODS!
Since the gods left tyria, they had nothing better to do so they started to hibernate, then they awake... the gods, prehaps, could still be too weak to fight them off or they know that they cant defeat them, so they leave it up to the races of tyria to sort out the problem!!!
Good idea or what?

Konig Des Todes · Jul 22, 2009, 07:58 PM // 19:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

Wow! That made me think! What if a long time ago, the gods were fighting the ancient dragons for some reason, we dont really know why or where or when but... the gods decided to leave the fight... leave tyria...

Not a new theory - I was one of those who thought at first that the Ancient Dragons are an older generation of god - then I actually thought of how the next generation would succeed them, and without knowing of a second way, they couldn't. So I dropped that theory. Others didn't.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

we don't know exactly WHY the gods left, they didnt say "hey, were leaving because were confident that since weve taken away all the overly-powerful magic, everything will be fine". The humans probable just guessed why the gods left.

Possible that the real reason of the gods leaving Tyria is unknown, however, due to the events that occurred just before, I would say we know the true reason. The gods feared harming more of the world. Their gift caused wars and them defeating one of their own made massive land changed (Crystal Sea became a Crystal Desert and the Desolation was formed *theorized to have been a beach-like area before).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

My idea is that the dragons were fighting the gods in order to TAKE THEIR ENERGY BY KILLING THEM AND BECOMING GODS!
Since the gods left tyria, they had nothing better to do so they started to hibernate,

Even though the Ancient Dragons have been spewing out their own magic, and have power that rivals gods, are seemingly ageless, and haven't been awake since before the Giganticus Lupicus?

The gods left at year 0. The Ancient Dragons have been asleep since before the humans arrived on Tyria which was about 200-300 years before year 0. It is said they are older than the giganticus Lupicus which were around about 10,000 years before year 0. I'm sure the Forgotten would have told humans and other races of the Ancient Dragons if they knew of them - they arrived 2,000 years before year 0. Thus, if the Ancient Dragons were ever awake when the current gods were around, it would have been 3,000 to 2,000 years before year 0 - around the same time Glint would have been made as the first creature by the gods.

If the Ancient Dragons and the gods once fought, it wouldn't have been an immediate reason for the gods to leave.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

then they awake... the gods, prehaps, could still be too weak to fight them off or they know that they cant defeat them, so they leave it up to the races of tyria to sort out the problem!!!

So they expect weaker beings to defeat an enemy stronger than themselves? Doesn't make sense.

Eliz Genevieve · Jul 22, 2009, 11:37 PM // 23:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

The gods left at year 0. The Ancient Dragons have been asleep since before the humans arrived on Tyria which was about 200-300 years before year 0. It is said they are older than the giganticus Lupicus which were around about 10,000 years before year 0. I'm sure the Forgotten would have told humans and other races of the Ancient Dragons if they knew of them - they arrived 2,000 years before year 0. Thus, if the Ancient Dragons were ever awake when the current gods were around, it would have been 3,000 to 2,000 years before year 0 - around the same time Glint would have been made as the first creature by the gods.

This made me wonder... The Ancient Dragons are older than Glint, by Konig's timeline, so, what if the Gods created Glint at the Dragons Image? Therefrom the dragon-like resemblance, the lesser power *albeit enormous, compared to other races* and the 'Night/Day' difference as stated in The Movement of The World.

The Dragons were around before Glint, and Glint was the first creature made by the Gods to spawn in Tyria. Any viable connection?

*ahem* sticking to the topic, 'Grothmar's' being huge/tortoise/whatsoever... who cares? And, from the looks of tMotW, 'Grothmar' is the one who flies south, through eastern Ascalon, not southwesterm, so, no 'kaboom' in EbonHawke, so no corrupted fields.

Konig Des Todes · Jul 23, 2009, 01:34 AM // 01:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eliz Genevieve

This made me wonder... The Ancient Dragons are older than Glint, by Konig's timeline, so, what if the Gods created Glint at the Dragons Image? Therefrom the dragon-like resemblance, the lesser power *albeit enormous, compared to other races* and the 'Night/Day' difference as stated in The Movement of The World.

The Dragons were around before Glint, and Glint was the first creature made by the Gods to spawn in Tyria. Any viable connection?

This has been thought of before - mainly due to the uncannily similarities between Glint and Primordus. Other theories such as father/daughter or some other form of blood relative have also been suggested. Though Glint being based off of one of the Ancient Dragons is most likely - assuming there is a connection - due on the size difference.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eliz Genevieve

*ahem* sticking to the topic, 'Grothmar's' being huge/tortoise/whatsoever... who cares? And, from the looks of tMotW, 'Grothmar' is the one who flies south, through eastern Ascalon, not southwesterm, so, no 'kaboom' in EbonHawke, so no corrupted fields.

corrupted fields can occur, in the eastern portion.

Also, welcome to Guru's lore forum Eliz. (I wonder why no one uses the introductory thread...)

draxynnic · Jul 23, 2009, 03:18 AM // 03:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

So they expect weaker beings to defeat an enemy stronger than themselves? Doesn't make sense.

Playing Devil's Advocate, it could be that they figure that the the consequences of the weaker being failing is less.

Tyria, after all, is still only one world, and it is implied that the Gods have others as well as their realms in the Mists. The Ancient Dragons may have godlike power in Tyria, but they may not have the ability to move on to other worlds on their own - while if they defeat one or more of the gods, they may be able to steal the power to do so.

Essentially, this could mean that the Ancient Dragons are being quarantined on Tyria in much the same way Abaddon was quarantined in Torment. The gods may be hoping that the other creatures they've seeded across Tyria will be able to defeat the Dragons, but if they can't... well, it's only one world.

Eliz Genevieve · Jul 23, 2009, 09:39 AM // 09:39

Quote:

This has been thought of before - mainly due to the uncannily similarities between Glint and Primordus. Other theories such as father/daughter or some other form of blood relative have also been suggested. Though Glint being based off of one of the Ancient Dragons is most likely - assuming there is a connection - due on the size difference.

Aw.. didn't know that it had already been thought.
The blood relative theories couldn't be, right? Glint was created by the Gods. Not 'born' or anything.

Winnies Bro · Jul 23, 2009, 04:50 PM // 16:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

Not a new theory - I was one of those who thought at first that the Ancient Dragons are an older generation of god - then I actually thought of how the next generation would succeed them, and without knowing of a second way, they couldn't. So I dropped that theory. Others didn't.

Possible that the real reason of the gods leaving Tyria is unknown, however, due to the events that occurred just before, I would say we know the true reason. The gods feared harming more of the world. Their gift caused wars and them defeating one of their own made massive land changed (Crystal Sea became a Crystal Desert and the Desolation was formed *theorized to have been a beach-like area before).

Even though the Ancient Dragons have been spewing out their own magic, and have power that rivals gods, are seemingly ageless, and haven't been awake since before the Giganticus Lupicus?

The gods left at year 0. The Ancient Dragons have been asleep since before the humans arrived on Tyria which was about 200-300 years before year 0. It is said they are older than the giganticus Lupicus which were around about 10,000 years before year 0. I'm sure the Forgotten would have told humans and other races of the Ancient Dragons if they knew of them - they arrived 2,000 years before year 0. Thus, if the Ancient Dragons were ever awake when the current gods were around, it would have been 3,000 to 2,000 years before year 0 - around the same time Glint would have been made as the first creature by the gods.

If the Ancient Dragons and the gods once fought, it wouldn't have been an immediate reason for the gods to leave.
So they expect weaker beings to defeat an enemy stronger than themselves? Doesn't make sense.

Quote:

Originally Posted by draxynnic

Essentially, this could mean that the Ancient Dragons are being quarantined on Tyria in much the same way Abaddon was quarantined in Torment. The gods may be hoping that the other creatures they've seeded across Tyria will be able to defeat the Dragons, but if they can't... well, it's only one world.

Only one world, just one, out of how many?

Countless may be the number of worlds the gods have created, yes, the gods care about tyria, but... Only ONE world will be lost in the battle that the gods may not be able win...

Quote:

Originally Posted by draxynnic

Playing Devil's Advocate, it could be that they figure that the the consequences of the weaker being failing is less.

Tyria, after all, is still only one world, and it is implied that the Gods have others as well as their realms in the Mists. The Ancient Dragons may have godlike power in Tyria, but they may not have the ability to move on to other worlds on their own - while if they defeat one or more of the gods, they may be able to steal the power to do so.

Essentially, this could mean that the Ancient Dragons are being quarantined on Tyria in much the same way Abaddon was quarantined in Torment.

Let the weakest ones fall and don't risk every other world the gods have created. It's a good plan, that's why the gods may not fight them. The gods should know that they may not be able to defeat the dragons, so they leave the world, they left tyria and left the humans in peace until the uninevitable fate that is the dragons awake.

Quote:

Originally Posted by konig des todes

Not a new theory - I was one of those who thought at first that the Ancient Dragons are an older generation of god - then I actually thought of how the next generation would succeed them, and without knowing of a second way, they couldn't. So I dropped that theory. Others didn't.

I'm sorry but i don't really understand what you're trying to say.

Quote:

Originally Posted by konig des todes

Possible that the real reason of the gods leaving TyriPossible that the real reason of the gods leaving Tyria is unknown, however, due to the events that occurred just before, I would say we know the true reason. The gods feared harming more of the world. Their gift caused wars and them defeating one of their own made massive land changed (Crystal Sea became a Crystal Desert and the Desolation was formed *theorized to have been a beach-like area before).a is unknown, however, due to the events that occurred just before, I would say we know the true reason. The gods feared harming more of the world. Their gift caused wars and them defeating one of their own made massive land changed (Crystal Sea became a Crystal Desert and the Desolation was formed *theorized to have been a beach-like area before).

I think that my idea and your idea are equally as likely.

Quote:

Originally Posted by konig des todes

Even though the Ancient Dragons have been spewing out their own magic, and have power that rivals gods, are seemingly ageless, and haven't been awake since before the Giganticus Lupicus?

The gods left at year 0. The Ancient Dragons have been asleep since before the humans arrived on Tyria which was about 200-300 years before year 0. It is said they are older than the giganticus Lupicus which were around about 10,000 years before year 0. I'm sure the Forgotten would have told humans and other races of the Ancient Dragons if they knew of them - they arrived 2,000 years before year 0. Thus, if the Ancient Dragons were ever awake when the current gods were around, it would have been 3,000 to 2,000 years before year 0 - around the same time Glint would have been made as the first creature by the gods.

If the Ancient Dragons and the gods once fought, it wouldn't have been an immediate reason for the gods to leave.

I sort of understand what you're trying to say, but... you're a little confusing... try, prehaps... dumbing down a little...

Quote:

Originally Posted by konig des todes

So they expect weaker beings to defeat an enemy stronger than themselves? Doesn't make sense.

I've already explained that.

Konig Des Todes · Jul 23, 2009, 06:26 PM // 18:26

@ Eliz, People defend the blood relative thing via a lie like how magic was distributed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

I'm sorry but i don't really understand what you're trying to say.

Just that Eliz's theory isn't new and that many people have thought of ways that Glint is related to the Ancient Dragons - primarily Primordus.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

I sort of understand what you're trying to say, but... you're a little confusing... try, prehaps... dumbing down a little...

The Ancient Dragons went into hibernation before all known history and would thus be unable to effect of the event of the gods leaving Tyria known as the Exodus.

Basically, the Ancient Dragons couldn't have any say on the direct reasoning of the gods' leaving Tyria, which would go against a portion of what you said.

Eliz Genevieve · Jul 23, 2009, 06:35 PM // 18:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

@ Eliz, People defend the blood relative thing via a lie like how magic was distributed.

Oooh. Just another mystery I guess.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winnies Bro
I sort of understand what you're trying to say, but... you're a little confusing... try, prehaps... dumbing down a little...

*dumbed down a little* --> Ancient Dragons --> Giganticus Lupicus --> Gods --> Forgotten --> Humans

Theoretically.