Curse

Konig Des Todes · Jun 10, 2009, 09:52 PM // 21:52

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Originally Posted by Neo Atomisk

Dragon that drives the norn south - Drakkar (?), Ice cliff chasms dragon
-The only dragon I can see driving the norn south, unless the ice cliff chasms serpent is a legit dragon.
-Gunnar's hold fell to creatures of Ice and snow, and if the armie's themes follow the dragons, It has to be Drakkar or the ice dragon, all that matters is if the ice cliff dragon is a true dragon or not.

the Ice Pillar Dragon (official concept name of it) cannot be the Dragon of Ice and Snow, it would push the Norn North, not South.

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Originally Posted by Neo Atomisk

Dragon that is controlling the Crystal desert - Malchor
I don't know if Malchor can control all of southern tyria, but meh.

Either Malchor, Grothmar, or the Ice Pillar Dragon *you're the first I have seen to suggest Malchor for that, to be honest*

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Originally Posted by Neo Atomisk

Dragon that flies down from The Far Shiverpeaks - Drakkar (?), Primordus
Only plausible one I can see, not mentioned anywhere else. Primordus is in the Shiverpeaks, just northwest of Ascalon, He has wings. It is not explicitly stated that the dragon had just woke up, Primordus had been apparently underground.

Primordus is underground and seems to stay underground building his forces. I don't think he'd move first east then south. Drakkar wouldn't, he must be the Dragon of Snow and Ice unless there is another dragon even farther north than we can go. Primordus is also the first to wake up, and the one to fly south is last.

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

Primordus cant be the desert dragon. Hes the dragon thats underground driving the Asura out. And the Undead Dragon is if i remember correctly , in Arah.

Arah isn't far from the Crystal Desert. THough I don't think "Malchor" is the Desert Dragon, it could be.

Free Runner · Jun 10, 2009, 11:17 PM // 23:17

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

Arah isn't far from the Crystal Desert. THough I don't think "Malchor" is the Desert Dragon, it could be.

The Movement of the World seems to imply he is actually in Arah as in, deep in Arah. The "desert dragon" is apparantly in the Northen Desert. Also it would be strange for the Undead Dragon to suddenly become known as the desert dragon.

Neo Atomisk · Jun 11, 2009, 01:14 AM // 01:14

But the thing is, Primordus could've woken up, then...
-built armies
-pushed out the asura
-flown down to the crystal desert to expand his territory

And... I DO recall reading something in the movement stating that a dragon from the most northern mountains pushed the norn south, so there could be another Dragon north of Jaga Morgaine.

Konig Des Todes · Jun 11, 2009, 03:22 AM // 03:22

I think that Primordus makes his home in the depths itself, and not spreading all over. Which would be a good move on his mark, if he's intelligent, and if he went to the Crystal Desert, why fly? He could travel underground unhalted.

Free Runner · Jun 11, 2009, 06:21 AM // 06:21

Now we're just creating dragons out of nothing

the dragon that pushes the Norn south is the Dragon of Ice and Snow. And Primordus is not the dragon that flew south over Ascalon because it pretty much states hes still in the depths at the present day of Guild Wars 2. Not only that but it actually lists Primordus seperatly from this dragon...

Neo Atomisk · Jun 11, 2009, 03:31 PM // 15:31

But if those 2 did as you say, the only options for the "flying" dragon would be a new dragon or the ice cliff serpent

Obrien Xp · Jun 11, 2009, 08:21 PM // 20:21

There's always more dragon's than you know. We just need to find out which exactly. I am also strongly against making anything we see into an ancient dragon other than the one in Grothmar, Drakkar, and Primordious.

Lishy · Jun 11, 2009, 08:26 PM // 20:26

I'm noticing a pattern here.
Grothmar was named after his explorable and so is Drakkar.
There are other explorables in the game that are named in the fashion of "*name* *noun*"

Maybe we'd find another dragon somewhere?

Gmr Leon · Jun 11, 2009, 09:53 PM // 21:53

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

I'm noticing a pattern here.
Grothmar was named after his explorable and so is Drakkar.
There are other explorables in the game that are named in the fashion of "*name* *noun*"

Maybe we'd find another dragon somewhere?

Those aren't official names though. They were called that by the playerbase after the area in which they were discovered. Nothing more, nothing less.

Lishy · Jun 11, 2009, 10:53 PM // 22:53

Drakkar was unoffical, maybe. But I'm sure Grothmar is confirmed.

Gmr Leon · Jun 11, 2009, 11:02 PM // 23:02

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

Drakkar was unoffical, maybe. But I'm sure Grothmar is confirmed.

Drakkar is still an unofficial name. Grothmar is not a confirmed name, if my memory serves, I'm the one who came up with the nickname in the first place. Or perhaps I should say, one of the many who did.

Konig Des Todes · Jun 11, 2009, 11:12 PM // 23:12

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Originally Posted by Neo Atomisk

But if those 2 did as you say, the only options for the "flying" dragon would be a new dragon or the ice cliff serpent

Or "Grothmar." >_>

If there is another dragon, than it would be North of Grothmar for it to fly over Ascalon and the Charr Homelands.

Also, something I just realized. If the "Northern Mountains" dragon becomes the "Desert Dragon" then wouldn't it fly directly over Ebonhawke? Thus twisting them?

I think the Dragon that flies south stops before the Blazeridge Mountains, or else Ebonhawke would be destroyed and there would be little point in mentioning them (that is, without saying they were corrupted by the dragon)...

Obrien Xp · Jun 11, 2009, 11:26 PM // 23:26

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

I'm noticing a pattern here.
Grothmar was named after his explorable and so is Drakkar.
There are other explorables in the game that are named in the fashion of "*name* *noun*"

Maybe we'd find another dragon somewhere?

Umbral Grotto, deeper beneath the mines...

I could start listing them but, I think we could make a list of possibilities

Gmr Leon · Jun 11, 2009, 11:37 PM // 23:37

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

Also, something I just realized. If the "Northern Mountains" dragon becomes the "Desert Dragon" then wouldn't it fly directly over Ebonhawke? Thus twisting them?

I think the Dragon that flies south stops before the Blazeridge Mountains, or else Ebonhawke would be destroyed and there would be little point in mentioning them (that is, without saying they were corrupted by the dragon)...

I don't think so. Ebonhawke is utterly minuscule in comparison to the territory controlled by the Charr. It's kind of tucked away in the southwestern corner between the Shiverpeaks and the Blazeridge Mountains, of what was once Ascalonian territory. Pretty sure that's how it was described, I'll have to read over bits of the Movement again.

Yeah, that's correct. Unless Grothmar, or whatever dragon erupts from the Northern mountains, is the size of the entire bloody region of Ascalon, I don't think it would have corrupted them. After all, it just says what was below its flight path.

Konig Des Todes · Jun 12, 2009, 12:04 AM // 00:04

I thought Ebonhawke was more in the center of the Blazeridge Mountains *the portions which we see at least* which would be south of Grothmar.

Eh.

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Originally Posted by Obrien Xp

Umbral Grotto, deeper beneath the mines...

I could start listing them but, I think we could make a list of possibilities

Both you and Kain are getting it backwards, Dragons are named after areas, not the areas named after dragons. ~_~

Obrien Xp · Jun 12, 2009, 02:13 AM // 02:13

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

Both you and Kain are getting it backwards, Dragons are named after areas, not the areas named after dragons. ~_~

I haven't been entirely awake here lately, I can't keep track on who suggested which or who confirmed which, I just reply to posts that I can add on to

Neo Atomisk · Jun 12, 2009, 02:13 AM // 02:13

Well, I was mapping around Grothmar a bit, and I noticed something intredting.

Grothmar's head never actually sink into the ground.
From a view looking from the west (facing east) it is visible that Grothmar's body does not sink into the ground, but that his body simply stops after a segment. I feel like this supports more of an idea of the visible Grothmar being just a cocoon for a smaller creature

Obrien Xp · Jun 14, 2009, 10:32 PM // 22:32

I'd have to agree with the above regarding the cocoon-ish thing. Not entirely, but it has points. Prim and Drakkar have exposed heads, why isn't there an exposed head for Grothmar, just like some oddly shaped stone or the like?

Gmr Leon · Jun 14, 2009, 11:38 PM // 23:38

One thing to keep in mind about Primordus and Drakkar though, they're both encased in something; albeit more natural than what Grothmar may be encased in. For example, Primordus was encased in igneous rock, and Drakkar was encased in ice. Grothmar just happens to possibly be encased in a much different substance.

Not only that, but technically, Drakkar's head isn't exposed, as in, projecting out from the lake. It's merely due to the translucency of the ice that we are capable of seeing it.

Konig Des Todes · Jun 15, 2009, 01:48 AM // 01:48

A thing about the cocoon thing. I went and looked, and the "cut offs" are only seen when you make the rocks at the end of Grothmar (which are before him) see-through. This is probably just done as a game-play/laziness thing and cannot be taken as lore.