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Obrien Xp · May 24, 2009, 04:54 PM // 16:54

The ancient dragons are to be large, yes I understand that. Drakkar is only about the size of sifhalla or an outpost Icon on a map.

The dragon in the Charr homelands is gargantuan. I have to believe that it is simply a strange mountain range with a dragon beneath, or else this thing will be almost as big as a zone. That's far too much in my opinion. Primordious (spelling-ish) is the leader and is far smaller than those mountains.

Free Runner · May 24, 2009, 05:33 PM // 17:33

Its overexaggeration. Most of the Dragons will have changed sizes in GW2. But it is indeed just the dragon, not a mountain or cliff or anything. If you look closely you can even make out scales on its skin. And Primordus isnt the leader, at least it hasnt been said so yet. As far as we know they are acting independently - Primordus just happened to be the first one to wake up.

paddymew · May 24, 2009, 07:37 PM // 19:37

Primordus means first, and it is implied that he is their leader. Leader does not equal size though.

Obrien Xp · May 24, 2009, 08:10 PM // 20:10

I would have to agree with that Paddymew, dragons seem to have a social structure, far from the beasts that they are portrayed as in other fantasy.

Killerminds · May 24, 2009, 08:38 PM // 20:38

[quote]dragons seem to have a highly developed social structure[quote]
Elaborate please. I dont think someone appointed as a leader creates a "highly developed social structure", in fact its quite primitive.

Xenomortis · May 24, 2009, 08:45 PM // 20:45

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Originally Posted by paddymew

Primordus means first, and it is implied that he is their leader. Leader does not equal size though.

Primus = First
Ordo = Order

The name primordus would logically imply the first in an order or series. Not necessarily a leader, but I can understand that conjecture.

Obrien Xp · May 24, 2009, 08:46 PM // 20:46

Having a leader means that they are organized and far more dangerous. I suppose I should have said a social structure. Highly dangerous with a brain is more like it.

Daisuko · May 24, 2009, 10:30 PM // 22:30

I'd say they're NOT working together... as if they were, they'd all be in the same place, and work together to destroy everything. Instead, they just take control of their respective areas, and divide the land as they see fit.

Cursed One · May 25, 2009, 12:07 AM // 00:07

I dont think they are actually banded together, rather they respect each other and wouldnt interfere with what the others are doing, but wouldnt help the others if they are in trouble either

Free Runner · May 25, 2009, 12:13 AM // 00:13

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Originally Posted by paddymew

Primordus means first, and it is implied that he is their leader. Leader does not equal size though.

I dont know where its implied he is their leader. Sure he was the first one to awake and they followed soon after but from the information we have, each one seems to be working alone, building their own armies.

Konig Des Todes · May 25, 2009, 01:18 AM // 01:18

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Originally Posted by paddymew

Primordus means first, and it is implied that he is their leader. Leader does not equal size though.

Where is it implied he is the leader? He is just said to be the first to awake, that does not equal a leader.

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Originally Posted by Obrien Xp

I would have to agree with that Paddymew, dragons seem to have a social structure, far from the beasts that they are portrayed as in other fantasy.

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Originally Posted by Obrien Xp

Having a leader means that they are organized and far more dangerous. I suppose I should have said a social structure. Highly dangerous with a brain is more like it.

There is no social structure even hinted. In other fantasy stories, they have social structures, but all we know of the dragons are really just that they will create minions and take over land. That does not indicate any form of social structure.

And, for what we know, there is no leader.

They seem to me to be all independant actors, creating their own land and "leading" their minions that they create/twist into their service. The only social structure would be that they have some sort of mind (assuming they act like the Great Destroyer with the Destroyers). But that's nothing more than any ol' territorial creature adding limbs to itself. Not much of a social system or structure if they are the only real ones in the society.

The 8th · May 25, 2009, 03:36 PM // 15:36

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Originally Posted by Daisuko

I'd say they're NOT working together... as if they were, they'd all be in the same place, and work together to destroy everything. Instead, they just take control of their respective areas, and divide the land as they see fit.

I'd have to agree. I've seen nothing to suggest that the dragons cooperate with each other or even like each other. It seems highly likely that the reason they're so spaced apart is because they're highly territorial and would just as soon fight another dragon that team up with him, why else would each one need his own "army"? It's a fairly common fantasy scenario.."ancient powers wake from eons of slumber to wage war anew"

As far as the big'uns size, I always just assumed they scaled it wrong and just kept quiet so people would think it's intentional. If I was them, that's what I'd do. >.>

Neo Atomisk · May 26, 2009, 01:19 PM // 13:19

If Grothmar is as big in GW2 as he is in GW, we're in for a hell of a boss battle. ~_~

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I've seen nothing to suggest that the dragons cooperate with each other or even like each other. It seems highly likely that the reason they're so spaced apart is because they're highly territorial and would just as soon fight another dragon that team up with him

That sounds like a great explanation for why they're spaced apart. From what I can imagine, monsters with the size or power of Dragons would want to be masters of their domains, with no one to challenge their rule.

draxynnic · May 26, 2009, 02:35 PM // 14:35

It also explains some of the long migrations - if a dragon waking up finds it's too close to one of the others, it might decide to, say, fly off and see if that nice-looking desert down south had been claimed...

Free Runner · May 27, 2009, 12:44 AM // 00:44

The thing most interesting about them is that if they are not working together (which i personally think is so) then why exactly did they wake up one after the other? does one waking up trigger all the others? or was Primordus attempting to get a headstart on some territorial control?.

One thing to note is that if they did work together there would be no Tyria. I've said this before but 5-6 dragons that rival the gods in power, have armies, a thrist for destruction with no caring or mercy to any of the lower races....working together........thats just to big for an antagonist. And Tyria wouldnt be able to house that much destruction.

Trader of Secrets · May 27, 2009, 01:56 AM // 01:56

I wonder how the mission would b like to kill a mountain. Probably have to blow it up from the inside.

Obrien Xp · May 27, 2009, 02:49 AM // 02:49

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

The thing most interesting about them is that if they are not working together (which i personally think is so) then why exactly did they wake up one after the other? does one waking up trigger all the others? or was Primordus attempting to get a headstart on some territorial control?.

One thing to note is that if they did work together there would be no Tyria. I've said this before but 5-6 dragons that rival the gods in power, have armies, a thrist for destruction with no caring or mercy to any of the lower races....working together........thats just to big for an antagonist. And Tyria wouldnt be able to house that much destruction.

Well Tyria has been holding up as well as Gotham did. The Great Destroyer was 2face, Primordius is the Joker. He told him to "Incite a bit of Mayhem"

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Originally Posted by Trader of Secrets

I wonder how the mission would b like to kill a mountain. Probably have to blow it up from the inside.

Keg farm.

draxynnic · May 27, 2009, 04:38 AM // 04:38

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

The thing most interesting about them is that if they are not working together (which i personally think is so) then why exactly did they wake up one after the other? does one waking up trigger all the others? or was Primordus attempting to get a headstart on some territorial control?.

Maybe they have a fixed hibernation period, and the Great Destroyer was Primordius' alarm clock to get up before the others and catch them napping?

Neo Atomisk · May 27, 2009, 02:05 PM // 14:05

Which makes me wonder, why are they waking up, and WHY did they go to sleep in the first place? was it because they felt that their job was done, similar to the five?

Archress Shayleigh · May 27, 2009, 03:18 PM // 15:18

Drakkar is the size of almost all the freaking lake... The Charr Dragon isn't that much bigger.